Survivor

madam_p wrote:

wyoseeker wrote: (good ole' CBS editing): They might have been discussing the (fake) idol, as in, why didn't Corinne play it, etc., so "it" might have already been established as referring to that (fake) idol . So when Bob says if he wins the immunity challenge, he'll give it to Kenny, the "it" could still be the (fake) idol of the conversation prior to that sentence. In other words, Bob would only give up his (fake) idol to Kenny if he wins the immunity necklace for himself. Otherwise, why would Kenny believe that Bob would be stupid enough to give up individual immunity? I think perhaps CBS edited it that way to trick us into believing that Bob might give up his own individual immunity.

I agree with wyoseeker here. I think "it" could easily be referring back to something in an earlier sentence that got edited out for the preview. I simply can't believe Bob would agree to give away immunity he wins in a challenge. However, I can TOTALLY see him having a discussion with Ken where Ken is fussing at him for "messing up my game" by not flushing out the fake idol (which, in this scenario, Ken still believes is real.) So just for fun let's say Ken is saying something like "You messed up my game because now that idol is still floating around out there!" and Bob replies "Tell you what -- if I win the immunity challenge, I'll give it to you." That makes complete sense, and could be fit into what was edited and presented to us in the teaser. I respect your ideas, carriekins and phils, but I still think wyoseeker has a valid possibility here. (I'll never tell you you're wrong, though! All ideas are possible!) Just one question, though -- Carrie, I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'Bob didn't say I'll give IT to you, he said I'll give it to you.' What's the difference between 'it' and 'IT'? Are you just saying it's something about the vocal inflection he used or something?

JackieTN wrote:

carriekins wrote: [quot - =JackieTN][colo - =blue]Carrie wrote: We heard her say "Ken's a bully, and Crystal is something, lol".[/color] The quote: "Crystal and Ken take out who ever they want. Kenny acts like this weak, little meager guy and spins all these lies and Crystal is just a Big Bully!"Remember your CC! Jackie

Oh, I did see that on the 2nd post Jackie but since it didn't matter within the context of the strategy, I just left it. I had heard her (Sugar) say bully, weak, and something! about 3-4 times, - between those 2.Carrie

bandfour wrote:

JackieTN wrote: Dear Band, Unless I'm way off the target here, there is a whole generation of music going on without silly songs. i guess I'll just " Take my chewing Gum off the bedpost" and think about it! Hmm..Sugar could sing "Sneaky Snake". Randy could sing "Allie Opp". Marcus could sing "Ahab the Arab". etc.JackieCan you think of others?

Jackie, The thing that comes closest for this generation is Weird Al Yankovic. He has written parodies of so many popular songs. My son happens to be a big fan he has every CD, a couple of videos, and several clothing items. My God, Weird Al is still around? Haven't thought of him since 'Tiny Tim' was tip toeing! But I agree I don't think there is anyone writing original silly songs today. I will try to add a few other songs to you list: The Monster Mash. I am Being Swallowed by a Boa Constrictor, I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Cocoanuts (could have used that for Fans Vs Favs), On Top of Spaghettit, Do your Ears Hang Low?, and Puff the Magic Dragon (although I have reservations about this one). *BAND*

Ahh.. the Good Old days must truly be over! I'm just stuck up in the Banana Tree with the Yellow Bird I guess! Jackie

carriekins wrote:

JackieTN wrote: [quot - =carriekins][quot - =JackieTN][colo - =blue]Carrie wrote: We heard her say "Ken's a bully, and Crystal is something, lol".[/color] The quote: "Crystal and Ken take out who ever they want. Kenny acts like this weak, little meager guy and spins all these lies and Crystal is just a Big Bully!"Remember your CC! Jackie

Oh, I did see that on the 2nd post Jackie but since it didn't matter within the context of the strategy, I just left it. I had heard her (Sugar) say bully, weak, and something! about 3-4 times, - between those 2.Carrie

Dear Carrie,A lot of people wonder why I take what Sugar say’s as a pointer to the way a vote might be going!Here are the stats on voting for the wrong person:Bob = 4 timesCrystal = 0 timesKen = 1 timeMatty = 1 timeSugar = 0 timesSusie = 0 timesNow here is the stats on how many times their names have been written down:Bob = 0 timesCrystal = 4 timesKen = 2 timesMatty = 3 timesSugar = 0 timesSusie = 5 timesEven tho Sugar has the REAL HII, has spent the most time on EI and seems to be resented by the ‘girls’, she keeps strolling along keeping her name off the ‘Hit List’ and voting people off! Compared to Corinne, Sugar is a genius at playing this game! So when Sugar talks I listen, if she is mad at Ken and Crystal, I have the feeling one of them will be saying “Bye Bye”!Can’t wait until tonight, have a feeling it will be the Best Eppy so far!JackiePS: I’m glad this is at the end of the Eppy 10 MB, won’t have so many telling me how illogical I am!

I thought the fake idol play was hillarious! although I have little respect for sugar,susie,kenny,or crystal! So I hope Bob wins. If it gets to the final two he will win, since nobody on the jury like the other four!!

I think Sugar would "go after" Kenny before Crystal. Crystal may have been a bit of a bully, but Ken is the one who lied to her and led her to vote off Ace...and Sugar knows it! At least that's the way my brain works, go after the person who played me for a fool first.... (I also think we should ignore the new epi threads and just keep this one going ad infinitum)

I don't understand why there are more than one thread anyway. ha.I think Bob is out tonight. I think they always try to use reverse phsycology in the previews for next week. I think the five have stuck it out this long they might stick it out longer.And if they do then Sugar and Matty will get Suzie and get rid of Ken then Crystal leaving the three for the final. I so wish Crystal would make it. Her facing off against Marcus, Corinne and Randy is just too awesome an idea to pass up. But I can't see how she'll get there.

ca_treehugs wrote: I think Sugar would "go after" Kenny before Crystal. Crystal may have been a bit of a bully, but Ken is the one who lied to her and led her to vote off Ace...and Sugar knows it! At least that's the way my brain works, go after the person who played me for a fool first.... (I also think we should ignore the new epi threads and just keep this one going ad infinitum)

Randy won't vote for Bob. Corinne won't vote for Bob.Charlie won't vote for Bob.I don't know how Marcus will swivel there....but most likely not to Bob.And whoever is out next no to Bob. I don't think Bob has as good a chance as people think. He is well liked and smart....he just played a poor game.

j_jammer wrote: I don't understand why there are more than one thread anyway. ha.I think Bob is out tonight. I think they always try to use reverse phsycology in the previews for next week. I think the five have stuck it out this long they might stick it out longer.And if they do then Sugar and Matty will get Suzie and get rid of Ken then Crystal leaving the three for the final. I so wish Crystal would make it. Her facing off against Marcus, Corinne and Randy is just too awesome an idea to pass up. But I can't see how she'll get there.

j_jammer wrote: Randy won't vote for Bob. Corinne won't vote for Bob.Charlie won't vote for Bob.I don't know how Marcus will swivel there....but most likely not to Bob.And whoever is out next no to Bob. I don't think Bob has as good a chance as people think. He is well liked and smart....he just played a poor game.

philsfan425 wrote:

j_jammer wrote: I don't understand why there are more than one thread anyway. ha.I think Bob is out tonight. I think they always try to use reverse phsycology in the previews for next week. I think the five have stuck it out this long they might stick it out longer.And if they do then Sugar and Matty will get Suzie and get rid of Ken then Crystal leaving the three for the final. I so wish Crystal would make it. Her facing off against Marcus, Corinne and Randy is just too awesome an idea to pass up. But I can't see how she'll get there.

JJ I also think Bob is in danger tonight. Regardless of how he meant what he said to Kenny, he better look out for himself and beware. You make a good point for Crystal, she did show some moxy there.

j_jammer wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [quo - e=j_jammer]I don't understand why there are more than one thread anyway. ha.I think Bob is out tonight. I think they always try to use reverse phsycology in the previews for next week. I think the five have stuck it out this long they might stick it out longer.And if they do then Sugar and Matty will get Suzie and get rid of Ken then Crystal leaving the three for the final. I so wish Crystal would make it. Her facing off against Marcus, Corinne and Randy is just too awesome an idea to pass up. But I can't see how she'll get there.

JJ I also think Bob is in danger tonight. Regardless of how he meant what he said to Kenny, he better look out for himself and beware. You make a good point for Crystal, she did show some moxy there.

carriekins wrote:

madam_p wrote: [quote - wyoseeker] (good ole' CBS editing): They might have been discussing the (fake) idol, as in, why didn't Corinne play it, etc., so "it" might have already been established as referring to that (fake) idol . So when Bob says if he wins the immunity challenge, he'll give it to Kenny, the "it" could still be the (fake) idol of the conversation prior to that sentence. In other words, Bob would only give up his (fake) idol to Kenny if he wins the immunity necklace for himself. Otherwise, why would Kenny believe that Bob would be stupid enough to give up individual immunity? I think perhaps CBS edited it that way to trick us into believing that Bob might give up his own individual immunity. [Madam P wrote]: I agree with wyoseeker here. I think "it" could easily be referring back to something in an earlier sentence that got edited out for the preview. I simply can't believe Bob would agree to give away immunity he wins in a challenge. However, I can TOTALLY see him having a discussion with Ken where Ken is fussing at him for "messing up my game" by not flushing out the fake idol (which, in this scenario, Ken still believes is real.) So just for fun let's say Ken is saying something like "You messed up my game because now that idol is still floating around out there!" and Bob replies "Tell you what -- if I win the immunity challenge, I'll give it to you." That makes complete sense, and could be fit into what was edited and presented to us in the teaser. I respect your ideas, carriekins and phils, but I still think wyoseeker has a valid possibility here. (I'll never tell you you're wrong, though! All ideas are possible!) Just one question, though -- Carrie, I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'Bob didn't say I'll give IT to you, he said I'll give it to you.' What's the difference between 'it' and 'IT'? Are you just saying it's something about the vocal inflection he used or something? [C'kins wrote]:Hi madam,You're right. We all are looking at the possibilities, and having fun discussing them. The exchange of different and mutual ideas and perspectives is what keeps me here... and respectfully, we can all agree to disagree. Noone's ideas are wrong, rather - It's all a fun 'guessing game', imho. That being said, I think Bob's trying to promise the II if he wins it. - JMO! lol. As another poster stated, nonetheless, it'll be fun to see the outcome!And I'll never tell anyone they're wrong, either. I'd first look in the mirror at some of my own 'possibilities' gone awry! lolOh - I meant "IT" vs. "it" just as in Bob's sentence, - which is in closed-captioning because he's whispering. And also when I was posting to others, it was sort of IT - meaning - the actual immunity necklace as opposed to it - the FHII, to help distinguish between the two, sort of a shorthand, if you will.Enjoy the episode tonight, I guess we'll see just how hard-at-work those editing monsters were working to fool us, lead us astray, or keep us guessing! I like how Jeff Probst refers to the information given to us: "We put so much real information and so much misinformation they (the viewers) are destined to be surprised". I love it!Cheers,C'kins

jackietn wrote: Dear Carrie,I guess the question here is 'Do you dislike a liar or a bully more?' Ken is likable even with his lies, which has to do with playing the game. But a bully usually is a bully all the time regardless of the game.With voting going at one at a time I would take out the bully first wonder which way Sugar will go.Jackie

carriekins wrote: I'm not really sure which way Sugar will go Jackie, - she's a hard read to me. Right now I think she's fluctuating between the Matty-Susie alliance, and the Ken-Crystal alliance from the clips I've heard. I don't think she'll try to break up one of those - however, it's in her best interest to do so, and I'm not sure why she doesn't see that. Or does she? Bah.. they're all 'liar's' in this game, Jackie. If Sugar herself flips on her Ken/Crystal alliance, she'd have to lie about it. There's no way of getting around it in the game at this point. Remember the Pagong tribe in Season #1? they tried that, didn't work! Personally if I was making a decision like that, I'd take out the bully. Never did like those.Enjoy - Episode 13? - Right - 13!!! Cheers,Carrie

Dear Carrie,A lot of people wonder why I take what Sugar say’s as a pointer to the way a vote might be going!Here are the stats on voting for the wrong person:Bob = 4 timesCrystal = 0 timesKen = 1 timeMatty = 1 timeSugar = 0 timesSusie = 0 timesNow here is the stats on how many times their names have been written down:Bob = 0 timesCrystal = 4 timesKen = 2 timesMatty = 3 timesSugar = 0 timesSusie = 5 timesEven tho Sugar has the REAL HII, has spent the most time on EI and seems to be resented by the ‘girls’, she keeps strolling along keeping her name off the ‘Hit List’ and voting people off! Compared to Corinne, Sugar is a genius at playing this game! So when Sugar talks I listen, if she is mad at Ken and Crystal, I have the feeling one of them will be saying “Bye Bye”!Can’t wait until tonight, have a feeling it will be the Best Eppy so far!JackiePS: I’m glad this is at the end of the Eppy 10 MB, won’t have so many telling me how illogical I am!

Jacke - 3 words - Stay OFF Wiki! lolSeriously though, I'm not so sure that Sugar's there due to any bright ideas of her own.. Compared to Corinne, though yes, Sugar is a sweetheart in character. A genius at the game? I can't agree. IMHO, Sugar's luck has been due to others' misjudging her - i.e. - sending her to Exile, not flushing out the HII sooner, etc. I'm upset at my own Ken for not ousting her earlier. He's the one who got burnt by his very own alliance in Sugar the other night... She finally played it, and gave it to Matty - not based on any strategy, just because Crystal was bullying Matty. This mostly benefits Matty now, and not Sugar. She's impulsive, and isn't thinking behind, OR ahead, so I'm having a lot of difficulty counting on Sugar, or calling her a "Brilliant" player. JMO!I don't see her getting a lot of jury votes, either... and earlier, she was content with 2nd place to Ken. ?? What kind of strategy is that? - "Illogical". Do hope she's enjoying herself, though! Carrie