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Marcus hasnt proven himslef as a player yet. Your not even really out there until youve been to tribal council without immunity in my opinoin. He hasnt yet (which is impressive to some, I guess, but not me)If he doesent win immunity enxt round, Ill concider him really "In the game" If he wins immunity, I dont know what, lol

Matty, by a far mile, because of his character and heart and athleticism, yes. But also because of the game he has experienced thus far in comparison to what Marcus has experienced. Sure, Marcus is shrewder on the mental game; Matty, by Marcus' own admission, is probably the best athlete out there this season.In all the days thus far, there are only 3 people left who have suffered by being solely at the Fang camp, pretty much wasting away on dwindling rice and pondwater: Crystal, Kenny, and Matty. Everyone else has at some point had the benefits of being at the Kota camp, which has been plusher since Day 1 in food supply and thanks to having Bob making benches and sundials My vote is not a sympathy vote, but when I look at the sheer amount of "survival" and what each man has had to overcome thus far, and on top of that Matty's attitude in the midst of it all, I truly respect Matty's game more. If two people arrive at the same Final, and one played what I consider a purer game, I'll always opt for the one that took the higher road. We will never know what Marcus would have been like now had it been him at Fang since Day one on only rice. I don't mind Marcus; they say he's amusing and good company. So I'm not going to cut him down for being shrewd (probably his shrewdest move all game is to agree to Final 2 with a non-objective guy who is in love with him. If anyone in the game is going to be faithful, it is Charlie. So Marcus got handed loyalty to the end on a platter almost since Day 1.)Does he deserve a million bucks cos Charlie pledged his love at first sight do or die trust?Last, while Fang has kept itself in a bad place by a series of poor choices (voting out Michelle, strong competitor; chowing 3 meals a day and now the rice is depleted; choosing the weakest player to join the new tribe; voting out stronger players so they keep losing)... most of those choices were not made or executed by Matty but by the GC-Kenny-Crystal alliance (or those individuals). Further, Matty is by far the best team competitor they have. He is a most valuable player.I'd guess he will have earned it more, and I'd be happy if he wins it.

I would definitely take Matty, he is extremely valuable in challenges and does not seem the type to stab someone in the back. I don't necessarily have anything against Marcus, I just think Matty has proven himself to be the better tribe mate. Plus if you have Marcus then you have to have Charlie following him around so I would have to pass.

I do miss professor Payne, the new guy just don't cut it...it is not the same, so they already took the professor..so if their next move is to kill Jim...goodbye.I would much rather see Professor Payne written off the show, then Jim.

For a moment there, I thought I was on GW board.

Definitely Matty. He has such spirit and tries hard at EVERY challenge. It's too bad he got saddled with the tribe that chooses to lose. I truly believe that the Fang tribe (at least the Crystal/Kenny/Sugar alliance) have a strategy to lose so they can vote off all of the stronger players before the merge! The only ones who even try to win are gone at next TC!! Watch out, Matty, you may be next. But if he can make it to the merge, I hope he can join the Marcus/Charlie alliance. Those three would be fantastic and it would be a very interesting final 3.

omg both are sooo hot, i don't know who i lke better, matty definately expresses himself more but marcus seems stronger because of the tribe he's in, i'm sure both will do great in the individual immunity challenges

I don't think we know what Matty is capable of gamewise given what he's had to work with. It must be difficult to strategize with people who sleep and whine all day. And when he wanted Sugar out, he went and talked to Ace about it because they had made promises to one another (rather than going behind Ace's back). Get some food in Matty and let's see what he can do!

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Sunlit8Rain wrote: Matty, by a far mile, because of his character and heart and athleticism, yes. But also because of the game he has experienced thus far in comparison to what Marcus has experienced. Sure, Marcus is shrewder on the mental game; Matty, by Marcus' own admission, is probably the best athlete out there this season.In all the days thus far, there are only 3 people left who have suffered by being solely at the Fang camp, pretty much wasting away on dwindling rice and pondwater: Crystal, Kenny, and Matty. Everyone else has at some point had the benefits of being at the Kota camp, which has been plusher since Day 1 in food supply and thanks to having Bob making benches and sundials My vote is not a sympathy vote, but when I look at the sheer amount of "survival" and what each man has had to overcome thus far, and on top of that Matty's attitude in the midst of it all, I truly respect Matty's game more. If two people arrive at the same Final, and one played what I consider a purer game, I'll always opt for the one that took the higher road. We will never know what Marcus would have been like now had it been him at Fang since Day one on only rice. I don't mind Marcus; they say he's amusing and good company. So I'm not going to cut him down for being shrewd (probably his shrewdest move all game is to agree to Final 2 with a non-objective guy who is in love with him. If anyone in the game is going to be faithful, it is Charlie. So Marcus got handed loyalty to the end on a platter almost since Day 1.)Does he deserve a million bucks cos Charlie pledged his love at first sight do or die trust?Last, while Fang has kept itself in a bad place by a series of poor choices (voting out Michelle, strong competitor; chowing 3 meals a day and now the rice is depleted; choosing the weakest player to join the new tribe; voting out stronger players so they keep losing)... most of those choices were not made or executed by Matty but by the GC-Kenny-Crystal alliance (or those individuals). Further, Matty is by far the best team competitor they have. He is a most valuable player.I'd guess he will have earned it more, and I'd be happy if he wins it.

Very well put. Matty has earned my respect and admiration not only for how he's played this game (he has given it his ALL in every challenge), but because of his attitude throughout this game. What's really sad is after this upcoming new tribe division, Matty is back on Fang. He will now be the ONLY Survivor that has continuously been on Fang from Day #1. You have to wonder how the lack of protein is affecting his body by now. Poor guy. I was really hoping for a merge so the guy could finally eat, but not going to happen. He'll get a feast, then it's back to his rice again...of which there's not much left.

How is he supposed to perform well at challenges against Marcus? He has to be growing physically weaker each and every day.Either way.... it's Yummy vs. Yummy!

I do find myself rooting for Matty though.

Marcus is the better game player. Matty is atletic, but his heart is in the game, and in the end it will get broke. Marcus on the other hand knows how to lead and win challenges. Kota has won because they are a team. Marcus will definitely be in the final 4. He is way smarter than Matty, and knows how to allign with the best. Boston Rob was a manipulator just like Marcus and he has Charlie, Corrine, and Randy wrapped around his finger.

Marcus has been winning quite a few immunity and plus he has 3 on his side. If Matty don'tget kicked off, it's yet to be seen what he can do.

What show are you all watching? Matty is useless. He has no backbone, he's afraid to make a move, and when he does it's so random. He couldnt' even see how Ace was using him. Matty is an idiot. He's afraid to be a leader, afraid to be a follower. He can a chance at the tribe switch-up to make a strong alliance and he fumbled his chance. Ken is leading that ribe and Matty has no idea what is going on. Wake-up People, Matty is going no where fast!

big34snoopy wrote: Marcus is the better game player. Matty is atletic, but his heart is in the game, and in the end it will get broke. Marcus on the other hand knows how to lead and win challenges. Kota has won because they are a team. Marcus will definitely be in the final 4. He is way smarter than Matty, and knows how to allign with the best. Boston Rob was a manipulator just like Marcus and he has Charlie, Corrine, and Randy wrapped around his finger.

I agree with Every word you've said, but: it's not that clear if Marcus has wrapped Corrinne and Randy around his finger or the other way round. (I don't think Randy or Corrinne should be underestimated, both seem a lot more like shrewds and backstabbers than Marcus... Charlie is very obvious tho))I personally have no Preference between the two. Marcus is strong and Handsome, but he's dull. He simply fails to impress me, eventhough he won two Immunity Challenges! As for Matty, he's sure is a very nice guy, and if he gets into the final two, he'll surely win (I don't doubt it). However, Matty often makes wrog choices, and his too naive and trusting to be a good strategic player. Matty will propably make it to the merger, and will probably win many challenges (becoming a "Terry", "Colby" or "Ozzy") I'll see what happens. A game like Survivor is so unpredictable that who wins and who get's voted out is a real toss-up. Eventhough Marcus, Corrine, Randy and Charlei have a tight Alliance, they may get broken up and voted out. Anything is possibleWe'll see

Lexxan wrote: I agree with Every word you've said, but: it's not that clear if Marcus has wrapped Corrinne and Randy around his finger or the other way round. (I don't think Randy or Corrinne should be underestimated, both seem a lot more like shrewds and backstabbers than Marcus... Charlie is very obvious tho))

I think you have the right of it about Randy and Corinne... They're both smart and proactive enough to make a Big Move if the opportunity arises. But the fact remains that, for now, at least, they've got a good thing in their current alliance. They also have Bob's vote, so long as they continue to foster it, just because Bob is an outwardly loyal individual. They have no good reason, as things stand, to change their allegiance right now.I don't think it's a matter of being wrapped around anybody's finger, though. I think that each of the four of the Onion recognize a solid, safe place to get through the initial upheavals post-merge. We've seen a lot of examples where that early alliance is tested and fails, in the face of long-term advantage or manipulations by outsiders. But these personalities, I feel, make it very possible to get them, en masse, to F4. Randy's a bit of a wild-card, and Corinne could easily see Randy and Marcus as potential threats in the late game, but right now, NONE of them have to do anything whacky.

I personally have no Preference between the two. Marcus is strong and Handsome, but he's dull. He simply fails to impress me, eventhough he won two Immunity Challenges! As for Matty, he's sure is a very nice guy, and if he gets into the final two, he'll surely win (I don't doubt it). However, Matty often makes wrog choices, and his too naive and trusting to be a good strategic player.

Agreed about Matty - his weakness is that he's primarily a physical challenger, and while he's not devoid of other skills, I don't think they're up to the challenge of the long, strategic game that's going to become more and more visible, once the merge happens.As for Marcus, half of the problem is that we're not getting enough face-time, due to the constant Kota victories in challenges (especially ICs). He seems to have a solid, but not dynamic, personality, but we have to take into account that he assembled the Onion, himself. That suggests more leadership than we've seen. His biggest downfall is that I THINK he's counting on his alliance's loyalty a little too much. He's not naive, exactly, but he hasn't had to fight for it yet. He may have become a bit too comfortable with his situation.

Matty will propably make it to the merger, and will probably win many challenges (becoming a "Terry", "Colby" or "Ozzy")

I think you're right, but winning challenges won't win you the game. As soon as you lose, someone's going to organize a boot party, and he'll be gone... if he can't get his strategic game up and running soon. Right now, his game left with Ace.

I'll see what happens. A game like Survivor is so unpredictable that who wins and who get's voted out is a real toss-up. Even though Marcus, Corrine, Randy and Charlie have a tight Alliance, they may get broken up and voted out. Anything is possible.

Exactly so. No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. Survivor is a game that stresses the on-site, short term tactics that make a strategy work, with emphasis on patches, bailing wire, duct tape and sudden reversals of alliance.We're entering the second half of the game. This is when it starts getting REALLY interesting. Hang on tight!

masterly wrote: If you have to pick between Marcus and Matty, who would it be and why? (It is so hard to choose between the two of them!)

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