Survivor

Its outwit, outlast and outplay your opponent. If it was the way some on here would like it to be, from day one, as soon as the first alliance is created, we would be able to predict the winner each week, and figure out who would be going home, provided that all the challenges are physical. To me that would be boring, this isn't a completely physical game, there is a lot of strength required, but there is also a great deal of thought and strategy that needs to go into it. It sounds like some would like this to be just a physical game where the strongest team just bowls over every one else (ie - the football analogy). They have been changing up the game, with the changing of the tribes, and that hurts all of those alliances that are made on day one!! I've always hated that part of the game because it allows those strong players to align themselves with other strong players, and run roughshod over the competition. They already have reality shows for people like that, American Gladiator. I think the first one or two seasons the alliance didn't come into play near as much as it does now. As soon as a group hits the beach they are trying to figure out who they should align with and start to set up these elaborate plans of how to get rid of people.

i agree with you, they really need to change. if they can changed to a group of people againest with another group and they dont have to vote thier mates out just group vs group and they can just share the reward, i believe then the show will be more interesting. it can be a show that shows how the important of a group work. of course, now the show does have this group work thing in it but hey they dont really act like a group becasue they put most of the time on voting their teammate out insteal of how to make the group win

Topic creator obviously doesn't understand the game and is just butt-hurt his preferred people proved themselves weaker players. He apparently thinks the game is just about reward/immunity challenges and that the only people who should win the game or deserve to be in the game are athletes. Perhaps we should get rid of all diversity from future seasons and just have nothing but a bunch of boring male 20-somethings in perfect health. Anyone who thinks it's about "making your team stronger" so you win the next basket of fruit, but then just get yourself or allies booted the next round, is incredibly asinine.

For one season i want them to just lose all the weak,worthless people and get a cast of strong, smart people that are all threats to eachother. May the best man (or woman) win.

After the presidential campaigning we just had to endure, I really don't want to hear about the need for changes.

dbvand wrote: I think they need to change the format to include waaaay more individual immunities. I'm sick of seeing a bunch of losers banding together to vote out the strong players - namely Marcus and now Charlie.Who would want to watch the superbowl if two teams with losing records were playing because they voted out the good teams that they viewed as a threat.Kenny and Chrystal aren't bad people but even as they lost challenge after challenge, they kept voting out the strong members of their tribe (like Ace). They're losers not only for losing but also for continuing to vote out the strong members of their own tribe which further perpetuated the losing.Then they teamed up with Susie, another total loser, to vote out Marcus, arguably the strongest player in the challenges. That totally ruined the show for me. It's like a bunch of 2-7 football teams voting out a 9-0 team.The tribe changing twist last week also ruined the show. Marcus had also done an excellent job of building alliances but then he got stuck with the losers. The game is supposed to be about skill, not luck when pulling numbers out of a bag. They totally negated Marcus' considerable skill and effectively eliminated him with the number he pulled out of the bag. I don't care to watch that. I want to see people win or lose based on their skill.They need to have individual immunities for at least half of the members of whichever tribe is going to council - 8 tribe members = 4 individual immunities. The immunity challenges should be a mixture of physical and mental competitions since different people possess different types of skills.I've been a Survivor fan since season 1 but I've quit watching in the middle of several seasons because of this same phenomenon and I'm through with this season as well. I also used to watch Big Brother but have quit watching in the middle of the past 2 seasons for the exact same reason.Let's see a show where the winners make it to the end and have a real showdown like the superbowl!

browniemr17 wrote: I don't believe that Sugar voted w/ Kenny's team because of Kenny's "good" social game. I think she had enough brains to realize that her best shot at winning this whole game was to go with Kenny's team, because they are a weaker team. She knows she has a better shot of getting herself to the top 3, at least, by (1st) killing off Charlie's team, (2nd) winning an individual immunity (because Kenny's team is mentally, socially, & physically weaker than Charlie's team, she would have a better chance at this) & (3rd) eventually using the idol she already has. However, if she she went with Charlie's team then she would be at the bottom, because I am sure she didn't forget how tight, smart, & physically strong his team was, & she would have a less likely chance at winning individual immunity after Kenny's team was voted off, if she went that way. Also, because Bob went to Exile, she may be worried that he would have realized that she had the idol, and she would have a whole knew target on her back if she went with Charlie's team, but Kenny's team already knows about it, and therefore she doesn't have to hide it from them and worry as much at the moment about them trying to "flush" it out, like Charlie's team did with Dan (who they thought may have the idol, although they voted for him for other reasons as well).Sugar's reason's for going with Kenny's team were probably similar to Suzie's reason's for switching sides and voting out Marcus. In the end they are taking out the stronger players in the game to benefit no one but themselves. And I don't like it. Although everyone has a shot at winning & a chance to do what they can to win, as a viewer I would rather see someone with good social, physical, & intellectual skills, and with a strong tight alliance from the beginning, win this game than the people who get a free ride on the coat-tails of those power players. Those free-loaders get carried so far in this game by the power players only to stab them in the back when it suits them best, all because the game had a stupid twist that allowed them to be cut-throat, mainly because of an off-set in numbers. I knew when Sugar started getting all emotional and teary-eyed when they were voting at tribal council that she had voted Charlie, because I think she actually liked Charlie's team better than Kenny's, but knew she didn't have a good chance at winning the game, if she had stayed with Charlie's team, which is too bad, but is understandable.

Yeah seriously, Ken and Crystal toppling Marcus and Ace is like watching the Rams beat the Redskins and Cowboys. It is not so much that they are losers, but they are the underdogs in all this. It is really interesting to see them outplay the supposed "better players." I am sorry that Marcus played a bad game and Sugar votes out whoever she is told.I personally would rather see less challenges and more mental games at work. Also less editing would be nice.

I too am sick of the weak dogs banding together to take out stronger players.Season after season the petty, jealous, players who's only attribute is being a great liar end up with $1mOne way to fix this, make them actually survive for all of those days out there. No food unless you catch it or pick it, all the way to 3. That would really be a outwit - OUTLAST - outplay. Challenges could reward with comfort items (blanket / pillow) but no more feeding the players. Then, the weak players would actually have to use MORE strategy before simply voting off the guy that reminds them of the dude they hated in high school...'so, For those who think that a show that rewards people for acting in a way that, in the real world is the worst of what we can be is pretty cool ... I hope that one of the previous winners you were cheering for comes home with your kid after they have blown through all their winnings, and declares everlasting love for your daughter or son.Then, you could spend the rest of you days providing for the loser that sits around figuring out how to get more out of you, and less out of themselves. - Their motto - "YOU row / I'll ride"....

boriss70 wrote: I really don't like the players now. I can't stand Ken,Crystal and Susie. I hate it when all that's left are the lazy and whiney people. I won't be paying much attention anymore to the show thisseason. All of the interesting people are gone. I really didn't like the twist last week!

As it is now the fysical strong players don't stand a change not only do the weak band against the strong but the strong band against the strong aswel witch is silly because its clear that challenges do NOTHING to improve your game, i mean why have challenges at al if production is going to set it equal again givving the weak more changes of voting of the strong.I think if you are in a tribe and you CHOOSE to kick out the strong players then you better be prepaired to lose a member week after week.Also if the producers are serious about making the game less predictable then they need to have a plan worked out from the start that is different from previous seasons so that players do not know what is going onbut that last"twist" was a panic reaction to try to make the game less predictable,the result hase been dreadfuland just as predictable only now the loser tribe has the upper hand.My suggestion:no more tribe A and B one gaint tribe from the start and individual immunity from the start but the person who wins immunity can protect 6 members(at the beginning of the season and becomming less and less as the season gets further,so 6 the first two TC 5 the next two and so on) of the tribe with extended immunity.That way the weak players actually need at least one fysical strong player

Locotje wrote: My suggestion:no more tribe A and B one gaint tribe from the start and individual immunity from the start but the person who wins immunity can protect 6 members(at the beginning of the season and becomming less and less as the season gets further,so 6 the first two TC 5 the next two and so on) of the tribe with extended immunity.That way the weak players actually need at least one fysical strong player

Roddly wrote: Topic creator obviously doesn't understand the game and is just butt-hurt his preferred people proved themselves weaker players. He apparently thinks the game is just about reward/immunity challenges and that the only people who should win the game or deserve to be in the game are athletes. Perhaps we should get rid of all diversity from future seasons and just have nothing but a bunch of boring male 20-somethings in perfect health. Anyone who thinks it's about "making your team stronger" so you win the next basket of fruit, but then just get yourself or allies booted the next round, is incredibly asinine.

dbvand wrote: I think they need to change the format to include waaaay more individual immunities. I'm sick of seeing a bunch of losers banding together to vote out the strong players - namely Marcus and now Charlie.Who would want to watch the superbowl if two teams with losing records were playing because they voted out the good teams that they viewed as a threat.Kenny and Chrystal aren't bad people but even as they lost challenge after challenge, they kept voting out the strong members of their tribe (like Ace). They're losers not only for losing but also for continuing to vote out the strong members of their own tribe which further perpetuated the losing.Then they teamed up with Susie, another total loser, to vote out Marcus, arguably the strongest player in the challenges. That totally ruined the show for me. It's like a bunch of 2-7 football teams voting out a 9-0 team.The tribe changing twist last week also ruined the show. Marcus had also done an excellent job of building alliances but then he got stuck with the losers. The game is supposed to be about skill, not luck when pulling numbers out of a bag. They totally negated Marcus' considerable skill and effectively eliminated him with the number he pulled out of the bag. I don't care to watch that. I want to see people win or lose based on their skill.They need to have individual immunities for at least half of the members of whichever tribe is going to council - 8 tribe members = 4 individual immunities. The immunity challenges should be a mixture of physical and mental competitions since different people possess different types of skills.I've been a Survivor fan since season 1 but I've quit watching in the middle of several seasons because of this same phenomenon and I'm through with this season as well. I also used to watch Big Brother but have quit watching in the middle of the past 2 seasons for the exact same reason.Let's see a show where the winners make it to the end and have a real showdown like the superbowl!

This season seems...well...slow. I feel like it hasn't gotten started yet, and there are only 10 days left. These players are dull. They look dull. They act dull. Their conversations are dull. Compared to other seasons, this one is going to sink to the bottom. It's as if the crew and creaters are bored with it.WTF?