Survivor

DryBonesKing wrote:

cbs8791 wrote: I would say that one of the best tribal councils ever was Borneo's final 10 TC. It was the point in the game when everyone realized that there was a Tagi alliance, and the 4-1-1-1-1-1-1 vote showed everyone how necessary it was to have an alliance.

Dang it. You beat me to it. That is the best one. It shows you need to have tribal unity/alliances. Also, it was the first blindside, seeing as though Gretchen had no idea she was going home that night. Also, all the Pagong members were shocked as well.Other great tribal councils were the one in Fiji where Edgardo was voted out, the one in Cook Islands where Jonathon rejoined Aitu and voted out Nate, when Amanda played the idol and blindsided Alexis, when Shane was voted out of Exile Island, and this week's episode when Randy played the fake idol.

I would want Cirie as a role model for young girls. It's not bad she had a boyfriend. It's just another way of saying "Amanda had a romance with Ozzy".ONE move pre-merge. Everything else was after Ozzy got blindsided.You're referring to Alexis right? If so, Parvati gave Amanda the heads up that she was going. If Parvati hadn't told her, who knows.Cirie put the plan in her allies' heads and Natalie actually put the plan in action(Erik's stupid move).Good for her.I don't think Eliza was jealous AT ALL.I didn't sense any jealousy in Alexis.There was no jealousy whatsoever. Everyone who voted for Parvati seemed to hate Amanda.

tribevibe1 wrote:

bbadt01 wrote: I am in fact a Parvati fan. I was a fan because Parvati was playing the game the whole way through unlike Amanda who rode Ozzy's coattalis until he got voted out. I don't know if Amanda is shallow, I just think Eliza hated how Amanda rode Ozzy(in more ways than one). Same thing with Alexis. I think she thinks women should be independent and shouldn't rely so much on a man. Possibly why she thinks Parvati is a role model for girls. Natalie's just weird. Gay, straight or bi, it was creepy but funny.

Who would you want as a role model for your daughter?Amanda's downfall was her beauty...that's it.On one hand you have a loyal, smart person with real feelings, no shallowness. She WAS playing the whole time. She was in that deal with Cirie and Parvati early on. She and Cirie really saved clueless Ozzy after the split as long as she could. So...she had a boyfriend...so what? It was more like Ozzy was riding her coattails and she was staying in the shadows letting him be a target.-Brilliant early plan with Cirie and Parvati.-Brilliant plan after the split with Cirie and Ozzy-Brilliant recovery after her loser friend bailed on her by finding the HII and using it-Brilliant fooling Erik -Brilliant final immunity challenge performances.On the other hand you have lazy Parvati who only used her looks. While Amanda's beauty was her downfall, Parvati's beauty was her only tool.She even admited that IN THE REAL WORLD she gets by just by flirting with men and women. What happens when she gets older and has to work with married men and women...that loser I respect Eliza's intelligence. I feel if she saw the whole picture like we did, she would have given it to Amanda. I don't want to call it jealousy (on her part) but some women are catty like that. She didn't like that God gave her the looks (including a chest-we've heard Eliza talk about her won flat chest), the man that all the women wanted (Ozzy) and if she could prevent her from being a millionaire too, she would. Sorry...I think Alexis was jealous. She wanted Ozzy and she wasn't even in the same league as Amanda.Natalie? Whatever. jealous because Amanda didn't need terrible implants like her.Not only looks...if Amanda had a flatter chest, maybe those jealous women would have given her the championship she deserved. Shame really...

bbadt01 wrote: Personality wise, I think Amanda was liked better. However, the jurors came to the realization that Amanda rode Ozzy's coattails for about half of the game. Parvati started pre-merge. Plus, Parvati had more friends on the jury. Natalie and Alexis liked Parvati more than they liked Amanda. I think, as a player, Cirie had more respect for Parvati. Eliza hated Amanda. Jason was a wild card, but luckily(in the eyes of a Parvati fan), Jason voted for Parvati.

After Ozzy got blindsided, yes I felt she played the game. Before that, no. Like I said, she rode Ozzy in more ways than one. Including Ozzy's coattails. The only reason Cirie probably even cared about keeping Ozzy around was because they had a secret deal in your eyes and if Cirie and Parvati voted out Ozzy, Amanda would've been pissed off and would've left them. If Amanda had focused majority of her time playing the game, maybe she would've won. Parvati had better relationships with the jurors. I think the people that are like the 6th and 7th juror can make reasonable votes without emotion. They can compare notes with the 1st and 2nd juror.

gsputnik wrote: As much as I see your point, I must disagree. I truly belive that Parvati played much better. Your organized your bulletted list up there so well, all I have to do is copy paste -Brilliant early plan with Cirie and Parvati.She made an alliance, lots of people make alliances, that doesent make you stand out. Furthermore, why is this alliance brilliant on Amanda's part, and Not Cirie's and Parvatis? It was good for all three.-Brilliant plan after the split with Cirie and OzzyI saw this more as Grasping at straws. Really, this was brilliant On Cirie's part (and it came off looking like Parvatis, because Cirie's wasnt in the finals) Amanda had no play in this, she was Shocked to see ozzy go. She was kept around because she was a female and had a vote. She should have tried to flip on Parvati and Cirie, but she didnt, she continued to go along with them.What I meant was while parvati was chilling on the other side and only tried the girl thing at the last second, she was part of the crew that took out Joel, Chet, Older blond, Ami, and made Erik a loyal follower. What did Parvati do on that side? She stumbled into that Girl power thing and got lucky it didn't blow up in her face. If Cirie was against it, she would have been screwed or if the fans stuck together, her plan would have been dumb. Alexis, natalie, Erik and Jason could have rebonded to eliminate her, Cirie, Amanda, and James. It would have been a tie but James would have been pissed. They could have forced Cirie into a firbuilding comp. It was just luck on her part. -Brilliant recovery after her loser friend bailed on her by finding the HII and using itShe was lucky to be sent to Exile. Thts for sure. She wouldnt have needed the Idol if she had had the game to turn it over on Parvati after the ozzy incident. The dumb Parvaiti was going to vote against her until she found out she had the HII. Remember when parvati was sent to exile? She could have found it to protect another member of her team...she was chillin' and sun tanning. -Brilliant fooling Erik That wasnt amanda at all. It was Cirie's Idea and Natalies implimentation. Amanda helped by making him feel guilty. -Brilliant final immunity challenge performances.Lots of people win challenges but lose, Like Colby (or to put a little salt in his wounds, Ozzy )And beyond that. About Eliza's vote, you imply she voted against AManda because she was pretty. Parvati's not ugly. I know you adressed this, so I guess I dont understand your point about eliza's vote. I think she just saw Parvati as the better strategist out of the two. That wasn't Eliza's explaination. Had she said that parvati was the better strategist, I would have left her alone. It was that shallow talk etc. Disappointing. We all could see that Amanda is not shallow.

bbadt01 wrote: I would want Cirie as a role model for young girls. It's not bad she had a boyfriend. It's just another way of saying "Amanda had a romance with Ozzy".ONE move pre-merge. Everything else was after Ozzy got blindsided.You're referring to Alexis right? If so, Parvati gave Amanda the heads up that she was going. If Parvati hadn't told her, who knows.Cirie put the plan in her allies' heads and Natalie actually put the plan in action(Erik's stupid move).Good for her.I don't think Eliza was jealous AT ALL.I didn't sense any jealousy in Alexis.There was no jealousy whatsoever. Everyone who voted for Parvati seemed to hate Amanda.

I wouldn't exactly advise young girls to follow Amanda's behavior either. Amanda's nice but she completely sold her soul to a man in a game like this. She was very co-dependent when Ozzy was there. You need to be independent as an adult. I understand that in real life but in this game, you need to be able to do stuff on your own. Again, I think Eliza was just upset that Amanda rode Ozzy's coattalis for the majority of the competition.

bbadt01 wrote: After Ozzy got blindsided, yes I felt she played the game. Before that, no. Like I said, she rode Ozzy in more ways than one. Including Ozzy's coattails. The only reason Cirie probably even cared about keeping Ozzy around was because they had a secret deal in your eyes and if Cirie and Parvati voted out Ozzy, Amanda would've been pissed off and would've left them. If Amanda had focused majority of her time playing the game, maybe she would've won. Parvati had better relationships with the jurors. I think the people that are like the 6th and 7th juror can make reasonable votes without emotion. They can compare notes with the 1st and 2nd juror.

bbadt01 wrote: I wouldn't exactly advise young girls to follow Amanda's behavior either. Amanda's nice but she completely sold her soul to a man in a game like this. She was very co-dependent when Ozzy was there. You need to be independent as an adult. I understand that in real life but in this game, you need to be able to do stuff on your own. Again, I think Eliza was just upset that Amanda rode Ozzy's coattalis for the majority of the competition.

bbadt01 wrote: I wouldn't exactly advise young girls to follow Amanda's behavior either. Amanda's nice but she completely sold her soul to a man in a game like this. She was very co-dependent when Ozzy was there. You need to be independent as an adult. I understand that in real life but in this game, you need to be able to do stuff on your own. Again, I think Eliza was just upset that Amanda rode Ozzy's coattalis for the majority of the competition.

I don't think Alexis was jealous.I'm male by the way. I think you were just joking right? I think I could overcome emotion as the last juror. But knowing the final 2 was in my grasp and then I got screwed over would really tick me off.I think Cirie still would've voted for Parvati. Cirie didn't seem to honor Amanda's gameplay too much.Parvati is at least one of the more deserving winners. Don't get me started on Vecepia(kinda), Brian(kinda), Jenna, and Amber.

Amanda vs. Parvati for the role model competition, yes.OVERALL:CIRIE

At least I think we can all agree in Micronesia Cirie was Boss, lol

bbadt01 wrote: Borneo's final tribal council sprouted one of the most memorable speeches in reality tv history.Marquesas' final 4 tribal council when Paschal was ousted because of some retarded rocks. Felt sorry for him.When Judd got voted out in Guatemala. "Scumbags. Hope you get eaten by crocodiles."When Edgardo was blindsided in Fiji.Erik's stupid move in Micronesia(Erik is to Survivor what Marcellas is to Big Brother).Jason's blindside, Ozzy's blindside,Alexis' blindside,Joel's blindsideMicronesia's final tribal council.(Eliza admitting she was suicidal when Amanda talked. Ozzy's declaration of "love" to Amanda which was just a last minute play to get Amanda to win. Natalie's question to Parvati. Perfect.)Randy's blindside in Gabon.(Randy and Corinne getting cocky. Sugar saying a lot of funny things. Crystal yelling so loud everyone could hear her. LOL)"You have made my life hell since DAY ONE. Forget you, go home, GOODBYE!"