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xxmadkuntxx wrote: Crystal deserved to win. The rest a fcukin LOSERSWHO WANTS TO ARGUE?BRING IT!!!!!!!!

No. Go away.willsson: is it lower than giving fake immunity to an ally and drawing a target on his back? That's like encouraging your army buddy to wear body armor made of paper and climb out of the trenches in a neon jumpsuit while you crawl away.Think about it; how else can you get Bob out if he keeps winning immunity? There is no other way. You have to make him give it up and take him out when he does.This entire game consists of convincing people that their move will be strong when it's actually weak. Nobody--who intends to win--will do something they don't think is in their best interest. Then again, that excludes Sugar who "just wants the good guys to win."You know, the girl who never, ever turned on an alliance, lied to somebody's face, or laughed at somebody's misfortune. Sugar is either a hypocrite, an idiot, or the best damn actress on the face of the planet.

Dragon you F tard creeper.

One thing though Ken was trying to help his longer ally (matty) get a little further in the game while taking out the biggest threat. At least thats the impression his comment while voting gave.

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mist2050 wrote: Kenny may be a nice enough guy in the "real" world...But plotting to guilt someone out of a well-earned immunity only to turn around & immediately stab them in the back...? Might be an all-time low for this show.

It's been done before. The girls on Micronesia totally conned Erik out of his immunity. It's hard to believe these castaways didn't see that season before they taped theirs.

ryanator wrote: One thing though Ken was trying to help his longer ally (matty) get a little further in the game while taking out the biggest threat. At least thats the impression his comment while voting gave.

What are you talking about Kenny has voted for Matty at the last two tribals. How is that helping Matty get further in the game?

lol all the kenny fans are rating anything talking bad about kenny 1 star

Somany fcuk face i'm not a Kenny fan.

MaIshU wrote:

ryanator wrote: One thing though Ken was trying to help his longer ally (matty) get a little further in the game while taking out the biggest threat. At least thats the impression his comment while voting gave.

What are you talking about Kenny has voted for Matty at the last two tribals. How is that helping Matty get further in the game?

Alright he's not trying to help very much but both times were out of necessity. First time he voted for him because the idol nonsense. The second time he tried to keep matty in another round by getting bob's idol, didn't work so he had to vote matty... which also didn't work.

ryanator wrote: Alright he's not trying to help very much but both times were out of necessity. First time he voted for him because the idol nonsense. The second time he tried to keep matty in another round by getting bob's idol, didn't work so he had to vote matty... which also didn't work.

Can't agree with you there. Kenny has only looked after Kenny the whole way through the game. Nothing wrong with that, by the way, but I can't see where he's looked after Matty at all.

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies.(Yeah, remember what he did to Randy? He encouraged Randy to piss EVERYBODY off in the hopes of using an immunity idol and pushed him right into Ponderosa. How? By lying, if I recall correctly. Sacrificing Randy to keep himself alive. By lying)Which, quite frankly, is great playing. Bob has somehow pushed himself away from Ken and put Ken as the next to go, even though Bob's a tremendous threat. Bob's play has suddenly become great. Deceitful, but great.So now I'm wondering why, when you've seen Bob lie directly to people's faces and put them in bad positions with those lies, you think it's abominable that Ken has done the same thing. Ken wanted Bob to give him immunity because he believed himself to be a target (you know, keeping yourself in the game? A good thing?). He also wanted to vote Bob out because Bob could feasibly win immunity all the way to final 3 (which would preclude Ken from winning, a bad thing for Ken). So his idea was strategically sound. But it would involve selling an ally out to further his own game and lying to make it happen. Kind of like Bob did with Randy.So Bob lies, and Ken lies. Bob is good because he's a great guy, Ken is evil because he's deceitful. Am I missing something here?If you don't like Ken for being cocky, alright, say that. If you don't like him because he's creepy looking and has a funny voice, say that. Don't flout bullshit morality and double standards when everybody on that island is playing with the intent of winning. That's like Marcus whining about Kenny's behavior when Marcus planned on betraying Susie, or like how he cried when Susie betrayed him first.Are you saying it's okay to deceive people you just don't like? It's okay for Bob to lie to Randy because he's a jerk, but Ken can't betray Bob because he's a sweet old man?

I couldn't agree more. Your words were well put together. Good one!

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies.

Dragonfly- You keep saying that Bob "tricked Randy into going home", but frankly, I don't see how that flies. Everyone was fed up with Randy's mouth. He was the next to go, regardless. And he knew it. Which is why he was so relieved when Bob handed over the fake idol.So unless Bob actually said, "Randy, feel free to run that mouth & make a complete ass of yourself, 'cause I've got you covered, buddy", you can't accurately say he tricked Randy into leaving. What he DID do was make the exit (which, again, was happening regardless) more amusing for everyone else. The pay-off? Get in the good graces of Sugar.I see what you're saying & agree on this point - They've both lied.Course they have. They're trying to win a million bucks! So was Johnny Fairplay...

In truth, I just don't like Kenny very much. He's arrogant and cutthroat. And his little show at Tribal Council...? ---- "Bob, I just really feel scared right now. Jeff, he promised me if I felt scared he would give me his idol. He's not keeping his word. I'm afraid I'm going home. Bob? Bob? come on, Bob. Bob is so strong and good, I mean, he's BOB! Won't you give it to me, Bob?? ... Sorry. It made me a little nauseated. Moreso than a cocky little guy finding himself in a less-appealing position because he was fooled by the outcast he wrote off as "a bad strategic player".

Ultimately though, yes. It's just a game.

DragonflyPHX wrote: Think about it; how else can you get Bob out if he keeps winning immunity? There is no other way. You have to make him give it up and take him out when he does.

Or instead of being a conniving weasel, you could up your game and earn immunity for yourself... There's a thought.

This entire game consists of convincing people that their move will be strong when it's actually weak. Nobody--who intends to win--will do something they don't think is in their best interest. Then again, that excludes Sugar who "just wants the good guys to win."You know, the girl who never, ever turned on an alliance, lied to somebody's face, or laughed at somebody's misfortune. Sugar is either a hypocrite, an idiot, or the best damn actress on the face of the planet.

Yeah. Sugar is fickle. Maybe the most unreadable/unpredictable character to ever grace the show. Who knows what this chick will do. She's a liability for anyone who's aligned with her. AND she's awesome and self-righteous and hilarious and I love her.

I was really hoping Kenny would go too!But so relived it wasn't Bob!! He deserves to win!! I really like Sugar too and I loved that she gave Matty her idol! Not that I like him so much, but she saw a great opportunity to save her friend and she did it.I wouldn't mind seeing either Bob or Sugar win, the others, I could care less.

xxmad you seem to be foaming. have you had your rabies shots?

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies. (Yeah, remember what he did to Randy? He encouraged Randy to piss EVERYBODY off in the hopes of using an immunity idol and pushed him right into Ponderosa. How? By lying, if I recall correctly. Sacrificing Randy to keep himself alive. By lying) Which, quite frankly, is great playing. Bob has somehow pushed himself away from Ken and put Ken as the next to go, even though Bob's a tremendous threat. Bob's play has suddenly become great. Deceitful, but great.So now I'm wondering why, when you've seen Bob lie directly to people's faces and put them in bad positions with those lies, you think it's abominable that Ken has done the same thing. Ken wanted Bob to give him immunity because he believed himself to be a target (you know, keeping yourself in the game? A good thing?). He also wanted to vote Bob out because Bob could feasibly win immunity all the way to final 3 (which would preclude Ken from winning, a bad thing for Ken). So his idea was strategically sound. But it would involve selling an ally out to further his own game and lying to make it happen. Kind of like Bob did with Randy.So Bob lies, and Ken lies. Bob is good because he's a great guy, Ken is evil because he's deceitful. Am I missing something here?If you don't like Ken for being cocky, alright, say that. If you don't like him because he's creepy looking and has a funny voice, say that. Don't flout bullshit morality and double standards when everybody on that island is playing with the intent of winning. That's like Marcus whining about Kenny's behavior when Marcus planned on betraying Susie, or like how he cried when Susie betrayed him first.Are you saying it's okay to deceive people you just don't like? It's okay for Bob to lie to Randy because he's a jerk, but Ken can't betray Bob because he's a sweet old man?

he was on exile and randy and corrine were banking on him getting an idol. by the time bob was back it was way to late. Also I feel that Randy needed a little kick in the pants after acting the way he was. Bob maned up and admitted he was wrong for what he did at his own risk. what he and corrine did to kenny crystal wsa complete survival. so I feel that he is still the most honest person there.

I'm still rooting for Ken.It has been a long way since he started the lying and scheming (I'd say episode 4 when he pulled Kelly on board) compared with Bob who only started at episode 10.So Ken pulled it off far longer than Bob. Sure tribemates become suspicious and annoyed after such a long time. Just like the viewers, they accept a bit of lying and backstabbing, but after 8 episodes it becomes too much for them to handle.I suppose it is also mentally very draining to keep it up for so long, where as Bob laid low and is now mentally fit as a fiddle.So: yeah, Ken worked much harder on it, therefore I'm still rooting for him. But we've got another 2 hours to see it unfold.As for trying to vote Bob out: makes perfect sense to me. He wins immunity challenges and is the jury's favorite. OF COURSE he should be taken out at the earliest opportunity if the others want any chance at winning the million.What's got "unfair" got to do with it?

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