CSI

myvassiliouAlthough there are others who would agree with you, you are all in the extreme minority. I do not think Sara was spoiled or selfish; after all, how long did she wait in the wings for Grissom to pull his head out? How long did he keep her on a leash and want her close but not want to touch? How long did he relish in her presence while ignoring it all the same? He called her to Vegas, he asked her to stay in Vegas, he told her to "get a life" and then was angry and reprimanding when she did. Why? Because he was selfish. Because he knew how he felt for her but was afraid to act on it, so instead of a relationship with her he placated himself by at least having her near him. He gave her hope of a romantic relationship while smashing those hopes on a daily basis. She said very minimal things regarding this 'complicated' relationship. One was that the problem wasn't just her, the other was that his telling her to get a life and then expecting her there on a moment's notice was "...confusing" and the other was that if he waited to long to make a move he would be too lateOther than that, the only time she ever asked him to sacrifice one single time for her is when she asked him to go on a trip with her. Other than that, she pretty much gave him the freedom and time and space to make up his own mind. She even left Vegas the first time because she was falling apart and she did not want to drag him down with her; and she tried hard to maintain composure for his sake for months before she left. I love Grissom, but I think the one who was selfish and spoiled in this relationship was him. He kept his butterfly holed up in a tiny little cocoon, keeping her close, until finally that butterly shed its wrappings and flew away. Thankfully, he had enough sense to follow

Bravo, Dy. Well-said as always!

sara is ugly period.... and when grissom kisses her and her horrible hair do in the last episode it made me throw up. Sara was never attractive enough to be in csi. I'm so glad she is off the show, and now I'm glad grissom is off the show too, so I don't have to see any hideous flashbacks of her. csi has officially just got much hotter, and i couldn't be more stoked.

bonercera wrote: sara is ugly period.... and when grissom kisses her and her horrible hair do in the last episode it made me throw up. Sara was never attractive enough to be in csi. I'm so glad she is off the show, and now I'm glad grissom is off the show too, so I don't have to see any hideous flashbacks of her. csi has officially just got much hotter, and i couldn't be more stoked.

I doubt trying to convince those who would have preferred an alternate ending other than the logical conclusion is going to do any good. There are those who choose not to have a civil discussion of their preferences. I got the one that I was hoping for. As I have said in another post, the following of CSI is so large that it is a guarantee that not everyone is going to walk away satsified with how Grissom's story ended.I agree with you dyneemo in that Grissom is the one who needed to make a choice. Grissom came across to me as someone he had a hard time dealing with the unknown and uncertainty. Plus a heavy dose of a sense of duty and obligation. He could take care of all of his co-workers as long as it was within a certain boundary. I didn't see his actions as selfish so much as fear and the deep need for structure and security. Relationships are complicated and Sara and Grissom's was not that different than everyday life. Sometimes one person carries the relationship and does most of the work and sometimes it is the other one. It just came to the point where he had to make a choice-- no one person was more right or more wrong. It was just Sara basically said that she could not compete with his work and he had to figure out on his own, without any pressure from her, what he wanted.It just took some major trauma for him to figure out what she learned long before he did.

bonercera I'm wondering what makes you more shallow? the fact that you compared the quality of a show to the hottness of its characters, or the fact that you have boner in your username? Gil and Catherine are NEVER going to happen. NEVER. We will be lucky if he bleeps onto the show and even then, it will probably be to show everyone the picture of he and Saras baby.

i think both make me equally as shallow

dyneemo- just wanted to tell you that I'm a man.. a man that likes hot csi's... not ugly ones like sara. I ain't no holla back girl.

" just wanted to tell you that I'm a man" Well, that was really pretty obvious. I would guess a young man at that - unable to see beyond T&A to recognize real beauty.

bonercera wrote: sara is ugly period.... and when grissom kisses her and her horrible hair do in the last episode it made me throw up. Sara was never attractive enough to be in csi. I'm so glad she is off the show, and now I'm glad grissom is off the show too, so I don't have to see any hideous flashbacks of her. csi has officially just got much hotter, and i couldn't be more stoked.

I can't resist. I think that most will agree with me in that the GSR was not about looks but about intimacy and love on a deeper level. Since it is obvious that boncera did not get what most of us could clearly see, then he needs to be watching something else or start his own post for his ranting.Most all of the debates about who Grissom should be paired with did not revolve around who was good-looking enough for him. Most all of the discussions were about who could keep up with him on an intellectual level, socially, emotionally, etc. If there were any debates about the looks, they were short cuz I don't remember reading them.Grissom and Sara looked like an everyday couple to me which is why I think a lot of people could relate to them.

bonercera wrote: dyneemo- just wanted to tell you that I'm a man.. a man that likes hot csi's... not ugly ones like sara. I ain't no holla back girl.

csiwareagle wrote: I agree with you dyneemo in that Grissom is the one who needed to make a choice. Grissom came across to me as someone he had a hard time dealing with the unknown and uncertainty. Plus a heavy dose of a sense of duty and obligation. He could take care of all of his co-workers as long as it was within a certain boundary. I didn't see his actions as selfish so much as fear and the deep need for structure and security. Relationships are complicated and Sara and Grissom's was not that different than everyday life. Sometimes one person carries the relationship and does most of the work and sometimes it is the other one. It just came to the point where he had to make a choice-- no one person was more right or more wrong. It was just Sara basically said that she could not compete with his work and he had to figure out on his own, without any pressure from her, what he wanted.It just took some major trauma for him to figure out what she learned long before he did.

DyI agree with what you said about Sara. Her "normalcy" was what i loved about her. She just seemed so real. We always knew she was tough but after learning about her childhood it just made me love her more not for her toughness but her strength. She was someone who fought hard to overcome the violence of her childhood and prove to herself that she was better then what she came from. That is one of the reasons why i hated the way they wrote Sara out. They destroyed her strength. Sara was never someone who would of let Natalie or Hannah get the best of her. She would of come out swinging. If Jorga wasn't leaving the show at that time i would of loved to of seen how they would of handled that storyline.

okayy let me tell u wat ever ur name is boner something. okay sara is not uglyy.. maybe u r okay u really need a life and who eva said tht sara and grissm with the whole baby thing tht would be really great! sara and grissom really do look good together.... i am glad tht the thursday episode had sara and grissom together again!!! i love those 2 together!!!!!! <333333