The Unit

ShiningHorse wrote: - Edited part: I'm not advocating for Redcap. Everybody here knows I would never do that for her. I just want to clarify your statements.ShiningHorse

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well the infantry is basically the front lines in a combat zone. every soldier has an MOS which is the job they choose when in the military. women are not allowed to be in the infantry or any form of combat arms. thats the army's rules. combat arms is anyform of direct combat relations, going out into a battle ect. when women go through basic combat training they are taught how to survive and react in a combat zone just as any new recruit is. the difference is men have the job option of after basic going to infantry school and learning the ins and outs of warfare, weaponry and so forth. the infantry is just a stepping stone for other jobs in combat arms like the rangers or special operations. the unit is based off of delta force which is the most elite special forces unit. so women would not even be allowed to apply unless it was a logistical support position. the reason men in the infantry dont care for women to be in combat arms is because alot of them feel it puts the lives of other men at risk. when there is women in a unit these days and that unit is caught in a firefight or a combat situation, the mission automatically changes and the orders are now to get the women out of the line of fire.

Okay, I think I get it. The men would start "protecting" the female(s) instead of fighting the battle. Well, another lady mentioned that and I also feel that way. I also don't like the idea of women mixing with the men on that level. I wouldn't mind learning how to fight, handle and shoot a weapon though. It's always good for women & teens to know how to fight and protect themselves. I know a lot of people may not agree with that statement but, when I think about all the atrocities happening in those warring African nations and the women and children being abused and forced into slavery... I think, "Why don't she cut that man's dayum throat while he sleeps, poison his azz or do worse to him?" Pick up a gun and shoot back , raise a militia or do something. I could think of a lot of things to do. I know, it's cold but war is hell and it's the women and children that suffer the most. Take a look around at war torn nations and see how they suffer from lack of education. They can barely feed themselves let alone scratch out a living. Education is not just book smarts. It's not good to keep females ignorant so a man can be king. But I'm just a girl, what do I know. Okay, I'm done with that and glad I don't have to worry about learning how to shoot or fight. I know I am going to get a "reputation" for this post, but it's true.Thanks for the explanation. Can't wait for the next episode. ShiningHorse

Well, I guess I better add that I do not advocate violence. I don't want to scare people with my comments. But this a show about war and bad things happen in warring areas. ShiningHorse

Who cares? She shouldn't even be on the show at all. Women are not part of the unit. It's bullshit.

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Good character, I say keep her. For those not in the know, there are women at one of those outfits. I know it hurts some's feelings to think women can get the job done too, but it's reality. Oh, and the Israelis have used women for years at some outfits knowing men on the teams will support them to assure mission accomplishment.

Cheers,

Oldfritz sends.

p.s. Plus, Ms. Steinwedell is easy on the eyes... KEEP HER

I watched the 'hero' episode again. I finally heard Red Cap's official title: Warrant Officer Bridget Sullivan.

wolflady123 wrote:
leolion811 wrote: Does anyone know where Nicole is originally from? I know she is from a military family and I grew up with the Steinwedells and that Bob Steinwedell is in the military. Wonder if she could be his daughter? It would be a small world!! I believe Bob moved to Texas and he remarried years ago and I know he has children. Thanks!!
Who cares ? Sorry but adding her to the series is terrible, There are NO WOMEN in any Special forces and her interview was garbage . Bridgette needs an early demise or The Unit loses all its credibility I'm a woman viewer and resent TPTB trying to rewrite the series to become a typical soap opera and although I'll be watching the premiere I'll be the first nitpicking it apart too Not a fan of her bring on the series and find it all total crap !

Bridget isn'ta shooter, she's not 'in' The Unit (i.e. not an operator) - Col Ryan just said he could use her. When she said she had 'all the merit badges', it was a sarcastic boy scout reference - she wasn't saying she's Ranger tabbed etc.

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She works in intelligence, no problem with that

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Ben

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I really think she is really good for the show. And you are wrong there are women in the militiary now a days so the lady that said she needs to be killed off needs to suck it up and get over it. It is still a god show weather she was on the show or not she is doing a fantastic job. And besides there are women in the American and Canadian armed forces and military and the do fine we are in 2009 not in the 60's or 70's when women were not aloud in the military and now they have the same right as men so get over it and just watch the show. She is really good on the show so suck it up. If you don't like her on the show and say they should take her off why in the hell are you still watching the show for. Me and my husband think she does really good on the show and she and the team are blending well togther and really working well togther. We says she stays and last a long time on The Unit. We really love the show and watch it every Sunday.

karat2008 wrote:
I really think she is really good for the show. And you are wrong there are women in the militiary now a days so the lady that said she needs to be killed off needs to suck it up and get over it. It is still a god show weather she was on the show or not she is doing a fantastic job. And besides there are women in the American and Canadian armed forces and military and the do fine we are in 2009 not in the 60's or 70's when women were not aloud in the military and now they have the same right as men so get over it and just watch the show. She is really good on the show so suck it up. If you don't like her on the show and say they should take her off why in the hell are you still watching the show for. Me and my husband think she does really good on the show and she and the team are blending well togther and really working well togther. We says she stays and last a long time on The Unit. We really love the show and watch it every Sunday.

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I think what most of you are failing to realize is that there are no women in this unit that go on missions. There is absolutely no point in her being on the show and I'll be glad when she's gone. There was already technically a women in the unit. I can't think of her name but she has been on the show since day one helping to coordinate things. If any women were going to be brought to the forefront and focused on it should have been her. She's paid her dues already.

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Nisha, what you and others fail to realize, through no fault of your own, is that there are women at certain US military units who provide tactical support of varying kinds down range. That is what this character does and I think it's a good thing this is depicted.

I do agree though, it would be nice for a little more character development of the lady ops NCO.

Oldfritz sends.

Definity a fan, Now. Nicole is a babe. Love the tough act. She needs a webite.

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There are NO WOMEN in any Special forces and her interview was garbage . Bridgette needs an early demise or The Unit loses all its credibility I'm a woman viewer and resent TPTB trying to rewrite the series to become a typical soap opera and although I'll be watching the premiere I'll be the first nitpicking it apart too Not a fan of her bring on the series and find it all total crap !

You clearly have absolutely no firsthand knowledge of the military. You are confusing the heck out of your military terms, something no one with military service would do. Furthermore, women do serve in the "Special Operations Units" these days, though to my knowledge only in supporting roles. Those supporting roles can quickly become front line combat roles if things go badly, and they often do in the real world. All of which is consitent with the show, if you were paying attention.

The show is not about “The Special Forces”. It has NOTHING to do with Special Forces. It does have to do with a fictional Special Operations Unit called “The Unit” which is loosely based on Delta Force. While there are undoubtedly members of Delta Force that previously served in the Army Special Forces, many did not. Many were Airborne or Rangers or both, but not Special Forces. Confused yet? Most civilians are, and they throw around the terms Special Forces, Airborne, Ranger and so on as if they are universal terms when they are not. How you use them matters. If you use them incorrectly, which you are doing big time...you soundlike you have noclue what you are talkingabout...and everything you say will be ignored by those who do.

Special Forces is a specific organization within the Army. The Rangers is a different organization. The Airborne is yet another different organization. Delta Force is yet another organization, but is not technically called Delta Force, that is a nickname. All of them are Army Special Operations organizations. So the term you should have used when making your argument was Special Operations, and not Special Forces. FYI, when they show the sign at the fictional Army Base that says Special Forces Command, they are NOT referring to The Unit, but rather a different Special Forces Operations Unitassigned to the same base...which admitadly confuses people even more. Having a huge sign on the base that tells the world they are their would be counter productive...their existance is supposed to be classified. From what I read in the book, Inside Delta Force, the real Delta Force shares a base with other Special Operations Units in order to share resources.

It is possible for a Soldier to serve in one or more of Special Operations Unit throughout their career. Some soldiers even qualify to wear an Airborne and/or a Ranger tab without actually serving with an Airborne or Ranger unit beyond completing those schools and completing the minimum requirements to wear those “tabs”. Even more confusing, not all Army Rangers are in the Army and not all Navy Seals are in the Navy. Those organizations both have units within them that recruit from the other services. They also have schools they run which are open to the other services special operations units. So you will see Air Force Combat Controllers and Pararescue Men with Airborne and Ranger Tabs and Army Sodliers with Navy Seal jump wings and tridents and so on and so forth. The branch of service you are can get a little blurry when enter the world of special operations.

Special Operations could refer to a wide variety of units in each of the military branches, the Special Forces is a specific unit in the Army. This show is NOT about them at all. Many Special Operations Units do have women in them. I served in such a unit during the Clinton era. They typically serve in a supporting role, in a supporting unit…but those units are just as much Special Operations as Delta Force or the Seals. Twenty years ago they never would have been allowed to serve in such a unit. However, the rule against women in combat has become increasing blurred, if not outright ignored in recent years. Do women serve in Delta Force? Probably not but that unit is so secretive that you would never know if they did. In twenty years maybe somebody will write about how a woman or several women did. To pretend you know whether or not they do, is ridiculous. If you had inside knowledge into Delta Force, you would not be posting it here.

That said, when I first read about them adding a female character to The Unit I thought it was ridiculous. However, if you watch the show she provides logistics and support in the field, rather than being “a shooter”. Her role is more intel than shooter...and that is very realistic. She deploys, and occasionally is required to defend herself…but she hangs back when the rest of the team goes in for the kill. There is some degree of realism there even if it does seems like a stretch. Technically she’s is not a member of The Unit. She is “on loan” from the Department of Defense, where she presumably works for the Defense Intelligence Agency (they did not specifically say). That too adds a degree of realism. If the mission required a woman for cover, that or the Central Intelligence Agency is probably where they would find a woman with the necessary qualifications.

If they were trying to pass her off as a Shooter, I would share your complaints. But that is not what they are doing at all. So her character has more credibility than a first glance would leave one to believe.

A long explination to be sure. But since so many people screw this one up, and since it is extremely annoying..it merits it.

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