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Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

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I hate Ken, Crystal, and Randy.I hate the way they act. I hate the way they look. I just hate them. I really hope they go 123 in the next three episodes. They are my bad.

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Who I think falls into the Good categoryMatty - All around good honest guy. Swears by his girlfriend and actually means it. Wants to win, but doesn't want to backstab anyone.Sugar - She seems like a good person, although she's easy to mislead. She felt bad when she was going to the sugar shack every few days to eat while her tribe starved. I think she definately falls into the good category.Bob - Great guy. I hope I'm half as awesome as he is when I'm his age.Charlie - He seems like a cool guy. I'm trying not to let my biases show since I'm rooting for Fang, but he definately has seemed loyal and good hearted.Ken - He seems like the kind of good and nice guy that everyone likes. He's stayed fairly true to his alliances (except for Kelly, and I don't count Ace as Ken was sorta forced into that one). It's debatable though.EvilCrystal - She's loyal, but she gets into a lot of fights, and based on an interview with Ace and Dan is actually way worse than she's being edited to appear. When she votes people off, she's always bitter about it. So she's probably on the evil side.Corinne - She's pretty much the poster child for evil.Randy - If Corinne is the queen, Randy is the king.Susie - She drifts from alliance to alliance as the wind blows. She's not straight up evil, but she's super unreliable.I can totally see Ken portrayed as evil since it looks like he lied to Sugar and he's a super schemer, and Susie portrayed as good since she's just trying to survive and no one wants her, however.

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OMG I_Hate_You88 i'm so with you cannot stand those 3 but especially Crystal and Kenny or as like to call them the loser alliance,i'm praying they get kicked soon.

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Marcus, Corrine definitely are the Evil in my eyes.After the previous TC, the way they come onto Susie... is really uncalled for. And they expected Susie to vote whatever way they wanted? LOL... They told Susie that whatever problems she had with Corrine should be mentioned earlier and not only at TC. What HYPOCRITES!! Did you guys tell Dan he's eating too much? Or that they're gonna vote him off? Did they tell Susie she's going off next? OF course they didn't, I don't expect them to, but they played the "holier than thou" card on Susie which really just shows their character.And Marcus had the nerve to call the people who vote him out as 'Villians'?! When have you ever included Susie in your alliance? That's right - NEVER.Good riddance!

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Hmm...Interesting question, and it kind of depends on from what perspective: viewers or players? From the viewers' perspective, I would propose that the remaining "good" players would include Matty, Sugar, Bob, and maybe Ken and Charlie. And the remaining perceived "evil" players would likely include Randy, Corrine, Suze, and Crystal. However, from the perspective of the players , anyone who seemingly lies or will potentially backstab a player might be considered "evil" by someone outside of their alliance and "good" by someone inside their alliance . (Sugar might consider Ken "evil" for lying to her to get her to vote out Ace; whereas Crystal would consider Ken "good" to have orchestrated the ousting of Ace, who she considered a "devil".)And it shouldn't be surprising that Jeff has suggested that the "theme" of the 2nd half of the season to be "Good vs. Evil": this whole season was billed as "Earth's last Eden". And there have been so many biblical references to that ancient story: temptation to eat fruit ( apple ) might get one kicked out of Eden (Exile Island), the temptation to go for an immunity idol may make one a "cursed" target; the many pictures of snakes (serpents ), etc. Not to mention the old adage about $money$ being the root of all evil , and this, after all, is a game to win $$$. So will a player who represents "Good" be graced by the million dollars, or will it take someone willing to go against prescribed morals, and be perceived as "Evil" by some in order to win the million??

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Good: Marcus(the strong and motivated warrior, who earns a lot of respect), Bob(the emotional, benevolent old man), Matty (Young honest, slightly gullible underdog), Sugar (naive, but very aimable and honest), Jaqcuie (Nice personality, who ended up as an underdog.)Evil: Corrine (lying, manipulative mastermind, like Parvati. Me dislikes) , Ace (Unsympathetic Yul-wannabe with fake accent), Randy (the Troll under the Bridge, gloating at other people's sufferning), Chrystal (hot-headed, and self-rightious idiot, who thinks she is a good strategic player, but is actually horrible), Kelly (Useless biatch who didn't get voted out, while she should have been)The others aren't really good or evil(ly edited) imo.

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GOOD:Sugar,Matty,Charlie,Bob and yes Corrine(i don't realy get why people think she is such a witch)EVIL:Kenny,Crystal,R andy, - usie(she acts innocent but she will stab you in the back first change she gets)

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GOODBob (I love this guy. He is superior in the challenges for a man his age).Matty (He seems to be a good guy. He did keep his word to Ace).Sugar (She felt bad that she backstabbed Ace. She has a good heart but is easily manipulated).Charlie (He seems loyal and good-hearted).BADCrystal (I do not like this witch. When she votes at tribal she is so personally vindictive towards that person. She stinks at all the challenges).Randy (This man would turn on anyone. I do not trust him at all.).Suze (I think she will show an evil side. I just din't like something about her).ON THE FENCEKenny (He sure knows how to play the game. But he did manipulate Sugar. He is there to win).Corrine (She does hold a grudge when crossed. She has been very loyal to her alliance).

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reyb99 wrote: Marcus, Corrine definitely are the Evil in my eyes.After the previous TC, the way they come onto Susie... is really uncalled for. And they expected Susie to vote whatever way they wanted? LOL... They told Susie that whatever problems she had with Corrine should be mentioned earlier and not only at TC. What HYPOCRITES!! Did you guys tell Dan he's eating too much? Or that they're gonna vote him off? Did they tell Susie she's going off next? OF course they didn't, I don't expect them to, but they played the "holier than thou" card on Susie which really just shows their character.And Marcus had the nerve to call the people who vote him out as 'Villians'?! When have you ever included Susie in your alliance? That's right - NEVER.Good riddance!
I so agree with you.Marcus did not only call them "villains" but managed to say "It's unfair!"How childish and selfcentered. He doesn't have the grace to see it from another persons perspective. Chrystal and Susie caught him on a BIG lie, and he's proven himself a rat from their point of view.I don't get the "good and evil" seperation. Only Corinne is definitely evil, the others are just struggeling along, and are trying to make the best of it. (I am rather mild on Randy on this point. He acts (and possibly is) evil, but he has no other choice)Sugar is hypocrite on whining that Ken lied to her. She voted out Ace herself, Ken didn't put a knife to her throat or something. She jumped on the opportunity to get rid of Ace, and is basically blaming Ken for feeling uneasy, although that feeling would pop up anyway now and then. So, that's unfair, too.No, I don't get the "good and evil" thing Jeff talks about.

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Oh...I love this question! Good vs. Evil this season hmm...let me think. Of those remaining, I'd say that the "Evil" will be Randy, Corinne, Charlie, Matty, and Sugar. This "alliance will happen when Randy, Corinne, and Charlie see that their golden boy Marcus has been eliminated. The "Good" will be Susie, Bob, Crystal, and Ken. Obviosly Susie has chosen a side and can't go back. Bob, is too nice to call evil. To stay in the game I would expect him to stay true to his original alliance. I like people on both sides. We'll just have to see how ugly it gets. This is very interesting stuff! I can't wait for next week's episode!

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I'm not falling for the "Good vs. Evil" propoganda. This season has been a real downer. Fact is, these people are very uninteresting. The fact that the tribes had to be messed with so much proves that even the producers knew that this season stunk. The stupid elephant was probably staged as well (ok I know that's probably not true but I had to say it).

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cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"
I think Jeff is saying Charlie, Corrine, Randy, and Bob are the evil side, and Crystal, Ken, Matty, and Sugar are the good side. I don't know if I agree with that. I don't think it is good vs. evil. I think there are some good ones on one side, and some on the other, and same with the bad people. I think if Jeff who Jeff calls Evil comes out on top, Corrine or Charlie will win. If what he calls good comes out on top, Crystal or Ken will win.

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Hmmm, good question....I'm an "attitude" kind of judge, so I tend to look at where one's heart is in terms of good vs. evil. Any one of these players will at some point have to "get their hands dirty", you don't win by being transparent...but it's one thing to be mean-spirited in playing the game vs. doing what you have to do to stay in the game, but not going overboard or relishing the nasty stuff.Good:Bob-he's good at the challenges, and a good person. Integrity. He's all about hard work...might be a bit too laid back, but I think he'll step it up. (at least I hope so, 'cuz I've been rooting for him to win since day one!)Charlie-haven't really seen much of him from the edits, but from what I have seen, has a good heart! He seems eager to please people, and focused on relationship building.Ken-He reminds me of my son, who is 19, an online computer gamer, very personable, yet always was too geeky to really care about the "coolness" of having a girl on his arm, but always "gets the girl" just because he's so likable and easy to talk to.Matty-he was hugely naive imho to join in w/ Ace, but he was honest in his explanation to Crystal and Ken, that he'd "promised on his girlfriend" (which is so dumb btw). So I don't think there's a trust issue between any of the old Fang, he was just on the outside that time, but no hard feelings all around. I think he's playing the game honestly (maybe too much so), and hasn't sold out on himself, which obviously is important to him. He knows where his center is, even if it does cost him in the game, 'cuz I think he's going to have to start playing more strategically if he's going to hang in there.Sugar-I like the way she said that the death of her father (or was it grandfather?) really shook up her world and make her want to come on Survivor to "see what she's made of"....that's an awesome character trait, to be willing to "test yourself" and to want to find out what you're all about. She seems like the type that knows she's young and naive, and wants to develop more in herself...maybe someone who's had it a bit easy and wants to challenge herself and grow. I thought I was going to hate her, I had her pegged as a dumb, shallow, hollywood-wannabe. But I'm now thinking that she's really on a journey of self-exploration. I like that! Not sure I like the lack of strategy she's playing with, from a viewer standpoint it's maddening to watch her change direction with the wind, but as a person, I think she's "good".Evil:Randy...derr, that was easy. I don't fault him at all for manipulating, and he is very good at working the relationships (surprising, I didn't expect that)...but he is "relishing" the nastiness too much, and I don't think gloating is a good character trait (especially when what you're gloating about isn't even reality!!)Corrine-she's a "people user" in my eyes...she doesn't hold the desire to be a leader OR to even care about the relationships around her. Everyone is just a "means to an end" with her. I personally don't care for people like that. No depth of personal character.Crystal-She is the epitome of a poor sport. I picture her winning her gold medal, then walking up to the loser, saying "I told you I'd win...you suck". It's like sheesh, when Crystal votes for someone, she's got to go potty mouth on them and verbally crush them.Suzie-I think she shoots her mouth off without thinking, which is a sign of a shallow person. She should have stopped to think about how Corrine would take it if she said "I was planning on voting you off"...that showed a lack of judgment and insensitivity on her part.

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Good-Old prospero message board with spell check, ability to quote exact portions of a person's post in reply, ability to creat tables, ability to post links, easier to use, easier to modify colors and size, easier to place defined spaces, privacy settings (none here), anti-annoyance settings (e.g. ignore button), and more.Good-the CBS executiove that was brilliant enough to choose ProsperoEvil-this new message board that gives away so much and only adds polls, PMs and that social networking stuff that most of us didn't want.Evil-the CBS exectutive-presumably CBS 1- who made this terrible decision for all the fans probably just to save a little money. Shame on you. Many of your long time regulars are gone. I had heard how bad the boards were going to be but I said they shouldn't panic and should maintain an open mind. EVERYONE WAS RIGHT. THEY ARE TERRIBLE. You knew that CBS executive but you didn't care.

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