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I don't think he went on vacation since he told Mac that his plans for Costa Rica fell through so he could actually give up his week to keep Adam on the job longer.

caliwriter wrote: The real problem with making one of the original cast preggos and attaching it to one of the others without a well developed storyline/back story and knowing where they are going with it, one of the cast usually gets killed off and I HOPE it's not Danny.I have to agree, there has not been much development with Lindsey as a whole, she seems kind of like a little girl to me and is annoying as hell, I would have killed her off by now if I were one of the writers, bring in someone who {like in snow day where they had to give the nasty stuff to Carmine} was willing to do at least some stunts and stuff, granted she was back from maternity leave and things....maybe I'm just a die hard action junkie....but Stella gets dirty LOL

Hmm..I won't be complaining if one certain cast member bites the dust.

I'm wondering if they would even be allowed to date, let alone have a child together. If Miami and Vegas have rules on that then I'm sure NY does too but I guess tptb just choose to write whatever they want. Danny is full of emotion and a mess therefore he does not need to be paired with a character who is selfish and manipulative. He needs a strong woman who won't bring him down. I thought there was potential with Danny and Rikki. Their scene in 4x16 Right Next Door was full of caring and passion. It was nothing I've ever seen him be with Lindsay ever. I've also never heard him call Lindsay 'sweetheart' like he did Rikki and it sounded very genuine. Rikki is supportive of him, just as I think Angell would be.

dannydoormat wrote: I don't think he went on vacation since he told Mac that his plans for Costa Rica fell through so he could actually give up his week to keep Adam on the job longer.

LOL Nooo I was joking and meant while the show was on hiatus {vacation} LOL writer's joke sorry

So, apparently, I am the only one who pays attention to the subtle actions of Danny and Lindsey.Everyone is saying, "He doesn't love her," blah blah blah...are you blind? Maybe you should have gotten Lasik with Danny.The approach that the writers are taking is a very candid one. You remember how long it too GRissom and Sarah to come out of the closet, right? The writers convey the "relationship" between Messer and "Montana" with looks, smiles, and sneeky little comments. You can notice their close proximity to one another in some scenes; a smile that reaches the eyes; a warmer tone of voice than normal. Just b/c Danny has never called Lindsey "sweetheart" onscreen doesn't mean he doesn't care.Remember the season 4 premiere where she slipped the condom spray into his pocket? And what about his phone call apologizing during her "rain walk?" She smiled and laughed as she hung up.I guess I'm so defensive of this b/c I've lived thru one of these work relationships. We acted this exact same way and conveyed our feelings in the same manners. I ended up feling the same hurt as Lindsey and reacting the same way.Al in all, I commend the writers for being so daring. I don't think that they or the actors would do this if they didn't genuinely believe that they could successfully pull it off.

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^^You're entitled to your opinions just as the rest of us are entitled to ours. I don't see any subtle actions between Danny and Lindsay. In fact, I don't see any actions at all from Danny besides the fact he usually seems annoyed with her. I also don't appreciate you attacking me. You don't see me attacking you for not spelling Lindsay's name right. Lindsay is spelled with an A as in LINDSAY not with an E as in LINDSEY. I'd think her fans would know how to spell her name.Not everybody has to love Danny and Lindsay or even see anything between them. Danny had more than one chance to assure Lindsay that he did love her and he didn't say a word. When she told him, in that selfish little speech of hers, that she had fallen in love with him, it why didn't he tell her that he loved her? Why wouldn't he assure her that he loved her? That right there tells me that he doesn't feel the same. Conveying a 'relationship' can mean anything. There are several types of 'relationships' and not all of them mean somebody is in love with somebody else. I suppose that Danny is also in love with the entire cast if looks, smiles, and sneaky little comments mean they're in love. Close proximity to on another in some scenes? Then apparently Danny must be in love with Flack since they were standing so close they were touching in Hung Out to Dry when they brought Shane Casey in. And what about Mac hugging Danny at the end of Run Silent, Run Deep? Does that mean they're in love? Or what about Danny and Stella standing close enough to touch in Corporate Warriors? They all stand close together at some point and it doesn't mean anybody is in love. As for his tone of voice with her, it sounds the same to me as when he talks to everybody else. Also, the only time I ever see Danny acting totally like himself is when he and Flack are together onscreen. Danny seems totally comfortable with his best friend, a lot more than he doesn with Lindsay.Danny has never called Lindsay 'anything' that means he cares unless you consider 'Montana' his way of saying he cares, which he stopped using early in Season 4. What's that say? Lindsay herself even said she missed it. The condom spray scene was f**ked up in so many ways. If that was tptbs attempt to show there is something between them, it didn't come off that way. If they're so sure they can pull of a Danny and Lindsay romance why is CBS questioning it on the NY home page on this website? That's what drew me to this board in the first place when it said: They work together but would a relationship work? My answer is NO. Whatever they've tried to do since S2 hasn't worked yet so why would it suddenly work now that Lindsay's knocked up?

LOL Nooo I was joking and meant while the show was on hiatus {vacation} LOL writer's joke sorry

LOL...sorry about that. You were talking about Carmine, not Danny. That's a good point though. Carmine could have had the surgery but glasses are part of Danny's character but I guess we'll have to get used to seeing him without them. *sigh*

I'm really looking forward to this storyline. I think it will bring a lot of potential growth for both characters. In a perfect world sure maybe it would have been ideal to develop their characters slowly allowing for DL growth separately before they would come together or decide that maybe they were too volatile to be together. But this isn't real life, this is a crime drama. And the fastest way to make a character mature and add drama into a relationship is an unplanned pregnancy. And yes those do happen in real life as well. It's up too the writers to make this come across in the best possible way. I must confess that after last season's atrociously fast resolutions to the storylines that my faith in the writers waned, however the episodes this season have been solid and I think that this baby will bring some well needed maturation on both sides.

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LOL...sorry about that. You were talking about Carmine, not Danny. That's a good point though. Carmine could have had the surgery but glasses are part of Danny's character but I guess we'll have to get used to seeing him without them. *sigh*

Yeah he does look kinda hot with the glasses but hotter without, too bad he's probably too young for me. I saw him in Los Angees once and...my my my

Maybe with all the knocking about Danny is getting Carmine got tired of having the glasses knocked off or something who knows LOL

So,this is interesting...

daytimedrama wrote: And the fastest way to make a character mature and add drama into a relationship is an unplanned pregnancy. And yes those do happen in real life as well.

Yeah, unplanned pregnancies happen in real life. No one said they don't. But having a baby doesn't magically make people mature and it shouldn't on a TV show either. There are plenty of other ways to add drama to a relationship without permanently tying two main characters together. There doesn't even have to be any type of sexual/romantic relationship to add drama to a show and the characters' lives.

It's up too the writers to make this come across in the best possible way.

It's also up to the actors, and I'm not convinced Anna Belknap can pull it off. The fact that things are going to be seen through Danny's perspective tells me TPTB know she can't pull it off as well.

I must confess that after last season's atrociously fast resolutions to the storylines that my faith in the writers waned, however the episodes this season have been solid and I think that this baby will bring some well needed maturation on both sides.

CSI: NY has never been known to have long story arcs, so I don't see how S4 had any faster resolutions than any other season. Actually, S4 had more multiple episode arcs than the previous seasons. And again, babies aren't a magic cure all for people who have problems. As a matter of fact, they can just bring those problems to the forefront even more. Two people as screwed up as Danny and Lindsay are far more apt to go the way of major disaster than resolving their issues with the added pressure and responsibility of parenthood. IMO there are much more compelling ways to bring drama into each of the characters' separate lives than throwing a baby into an already disasterous pairing.

I appreciated the work of Danny & Lindsay,I think I agree to them as a couple,because I am a fan of them.

I've been reading through all of the comments, and for some of them I agree on, and others not so much. I do think that Anna Belknap needs to step up her game and prove herself because there are a lot of people out there who don't think that she is a good actress. I'm not sure if it's the role she is playing (because I have only seen her in CSI: NY), but I think we need to give her a chance!!! Also, although Carmine is an amazing actor, I think it will take a long time for Danny and Lindsay to build chemistry on screen. In season three and four, their relationship seemed relatively stable and understandable. However, now I'm not even sure where they're at anymore. And I'm positive that I am not the only one who feels confused! I think that if Lindsay and Danny were ever going to have a kid, it should be much later, possibly before the entire show ends (hopefully this won't happen soon!). The writers, in my opinion, have not set up this senerio very well at all.. it just seems rushed and not well thought out. I'm not saying the writers are bad (because they are the ones who made CSI: NY my favourite show on television), but I think they should start reading these discussion boards and figuring out what the audience wants. They may have an idea about what might work well with the show, but if none of the audience likes it, what's the point?I'm excited to see how all of this plays out... I'm crossing my fingers that the end result of all of this will suprise us (in a good way, of course)

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Of course the writers thought it through. They are not idiots. When episode 9 airs, i am positive everything will be explained. As far as the pregnancy storyline. I'm sorry I don't see how that could ruin a show. Its impossible. The situation is true to life. People fall in love everyday, people get married, have children. It happens. It makes no difference that they work together, that happens in the real world too. How you think people are going to stop watching because of that I have no idea.As far as Carmine quiting. What a lot of crock..Why would he hate the storyline. Danny cant stay the emotional bad boy forever, it gets tiring and predicatable and it makes his character look one dimensional. I dont see how Carmine would disagree with the show evolving, changing, maturing his character, having his character fall in love, have children. Thats what happens in the real world people, why should a TV show character be any different. It makes the character more 3 dimensional and rounded. Something I am sure Carmine does not hate. Read his interviews where he talks about his character becoming more rounded, read the interviews where he says Danny has to have boundries and mature!!!!As far as Danny loving Lindsay of course he does..Listen to the phonecall in personal foul again. That will tell you everything. You dont tell someone to come over to tell you how hard you are to love, if you dont feel the same way. Danny also told Lindsay, he wouldnt push her away, ever again and that he missed her more than he can say. Not the actions of someone IMO that doesnt feel the same way, as Lindsay does about him. Like the person above said, its all about the subtlties. They work together, plus its a crime drama, its not like they can kiss in the lab or hold hands. It seems they are focusing more this season on the characters personal lives, maybe they will be able to show more this season.IMO seeing it though Danny's eyes has got nothing to do with whom is the better actor and everything to so with how what Danny did last season, has affected his relationship with Lindsay. You forget Danny mucked up last season. He was a total Ass to Lindsay, He disrespected her trust and their relationship by doing what he did...And even though Lindsay may have forgiven him, its still there in the back of her mind, that the last time faced with a difficult situation, Danny didn't really handle it all that well. Plus Lindsay is pregnant she cant run from her responsibilites, Danny on the other hand can, thats why it makes sense to see it through his eyes.

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Sure it happens IRL but the writers have not set it up and obviously have not gotten the emotional attachment from most fans for it to have any sort of pay off. Like with killing off Warrick, fans had an attachment to the character but it also affected EVERY character as well as pitching the show into a whole new direction/area. You have no clue where the original CSI is going, what's going to happen...short of knowing Grissom is leaving and that makes good TV, that makes people not want to miss an episode for the fear of missing something.You can not just throw two characters together in order to cover a real life baby. I'm not watching the show just to see which characters are gonna sleep with each other, if they do it I want the whole nine yards of shouting at the TV because it was so unexpected or a surprise, but there is no attachement to Anna's character, she's just annoying and watching Lindsay waddle around after the bad guy or the lab....don't see much of that happening.

Good point! ... I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!

jessica834 wrote: Of course the writers thought it through. They are not idiots. When episode 9 airs, i am positive everything will be explained.

Considering all of the spoilers prior to AB announcing her pregnancy indicated Danny and Lindsay would not be together, let alone having a kid, added with the fact that nothing about Danny and Lindsay's relationship has been explained thus far I don't share your optimism everything will be explained

As far as the pregnancy storyline. I'm sorry I don't see how that could ruin a show. Its impossible.

Nothing is "impossible." I don't think it will ruin the entire show, but I fear it will ruin my favorite character, Danny.

The situation is true to life. People fall in love everyday, people get married, have children. It happens.

Danny's never said he loves Lindsay, let alone wants to marry her. Yes, unplanned pregnancies happen in real life. That doesn't mean I want to see it on this particular show with these particular characters.

It makes no difference that they work together, that happens in the real world too. How you think people are going to stop watching because of that I have no idea.

Again, it happens in real life but I'm not so sure it will make compelling TV for this particular show and characters. No one knows if people will stop watching, but the possibility is still there. People who loved DL stopped watching after Danny slept with Rikki, so I'm sure people who can't stand DL will stop watching when they find out their having a kid together. The number of viewers will most likely be insignificant, but it'll probably happen to a small degree.

As far as Carmine quiting. What a lot of crock..Why would he hate the storyline. Danny cant stay the emotional bad boy forever, it gets tiring and predicatable and it makes his character look one dimensional.

I can't speak for Carmine so I have no idea what he thinks of the story line. I do think, however, that continuing the country girl meets city boy and changes him and they have a child and are both happy about it is much more one dimensional than anything TPTB have given Carmine for a story line.

I dont see how Carmine would disagree with the show evolving, changing, maturing his character, having his character fall in love, have children. Thats what happens in the real world people, why should a TV show character be any different. It makes the character more 3 dimensional and rounded. Something I am sure Carmine does not hate. Read his interviews where he talks about his character becoming more rounded, read the interviews where he says Danny has to have boundries and mature!!!!

Again, I can't speak for Carmine, but as far as me being a viewer of the show this story line makes no sense based on what has happened with Danny and Lindsay's relationship so far. And having a baby doesn't make someone mature. In fact an immature person (or two immature people in this case) having a baby can turn out to be disasterous. A baby is not a magic cure all for everything that is wrong with a relationship or for personality flaws.

As far as Danny loving Lindsay of course he does..Listen to the phonecall in personal foul again. That will tell you everything. You dont tell someone to come over to tell you how hard you are to love, if you dont feel the same way. Danny also told Lindsay, he wouldnt push her away, ever again and that he missed her more than he can say. Not the actions of someone IMO that doesnt feel the same way, as Lindsay does about him.

You might tell someone to come over if you use sex as a way to "fix" things, which Danny does. Danny doesn't like people leaving him. He was just as, if not more, upset when he found out Rikki was moving away. According to your logic that means he's in love with Rikki as well. Danny needs to be needed and that has nothing to do with love.

Like the person above said, its all about the subtlties. They work together, plus its a crime drama, its not like they can kiss in the lab or hold hands. It seems they are focusing more this season on the characters personal lives, maybe they will be able to show more this season.

They can't kiss in the lab? Why not? Mac and Peyton showed affection for each other at work. As far as showing more this season, that would be fine if they weren't jumping ahead so quickly after having nothing going on between the two up until this point. They've gone from zero to warp speed nothing point zero seconds. It's pretty hard to believe that everything is going to be all shiny and happy and that the Ruben story line won't come into play based on what happened in S4. I like relationships to evolve logically and organically and not shoved down my throat based on an actress being pregnant. It's like they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and expecting the viewers not to notice.

IMO seeing it though Danny's eyes has got nothing to do with whom is the better actor and everything to so with how what Danny did last season, has affected his relationship with Lindsay. You forget Danny mucked up last season. He was a total Ass to Lindsay, He disrespected her trust and their relationship by doing what he did...And even though Lindsay may have forgiven him, its still there in the back of her mind, that the last time faced with a difficult situation, Danny didn't really handle it all that well. Plus Lindsay is pregnant she cant run from her responsibilites, Danny on the other hand can, thats why it makes sense to see it through his eyes.

I don't think Danny did "muck up." He didn't deal with his grief in the most healthy way, but that has nothing to do with Lindsay. We have no evidence they were in an exclusive relationship when he slept with Rikki, so the only person he could have disrespected was Rikki and she was fine with him. Lindsay doesn't know Danny slept with Rikki so she has nothing to give forgiveness for and no reason not to trust Danny. Choosing to grieve in his own way and time wasn't disrespecting Lindsay and her treating him like he was wrong to do so was selfish. If anything, Danny should feel betrayed by Lindsay and need to forgive her for her awful treatment of him before they can move on. I agree seeing things from Danny's eyes makes sense, but I think it makes sense for more than one reason. One reason is the one you stated. The other is that Carmine is by far the better actor and Danny is the character people most empathize/sympathize with. There's no way Anna is a strong enough actress or Lindsay a strong enough character to carry this story line, IMO.

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