Survivor

Kenny lost me when he dehumanized the other players into pawns to the degree that Thailand's brian did. He is has not been loyal to crystal- In one of his secret scenes he said he has been protecting crystal because he saw her as free votes for him with the jury. when he fell for the fake idol I think he wanted crystal to vote for corrine so he could hog jury votes if it went down the way he expected. flip side. Bob lost me by deluding himself with his "mr. Roger" good guy routine. He says "if It will keep me in the game I don't mind sugar getting a laugh" then he sings his "I am Mr. integrity- this was not nice" song. next day he makes another idol tricks 2 players the play goes down and once again we hear the "I am Mr. integrity - this was not nice song" gag me with a spoon.

It's a game. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...17th season! Why should anyone care what they say or do to one another. I watch the show because it entertains me.. No need to get all torked up about it....

rrod60 wrote: It's a game. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...17th season! Why should anyone care what they say or do to one another. I watch the show because it entertains me.. No need to get all torked up about it....

alkikodibear wrote: Kenny lost me when he dehumanized the other players into pawns to the degree that Thailand's brian did. He is has not been loyal to crystal- In one of his secret scenes he said he has been protecting crystal because he saw her as free votes for him with the jury. when he fell for the fake idol I think he wanted crystal to vote for corrine so he could hog jury votes if it went down the way he expected. flip side. Bob lost me by deluding himself with his "mr. Roger" good guy routine. He says "if It will keep me in the game I don't mind sugar getting a laugh" then he sings his "I am Mr. integrity- this was not nice" song. next day he makes another idol tricks 2 players the play goes down and once again we hear the "I am Mr. integrity - this was not nice song" gag me with a spoon.

Big Picture- Real life wise. I think most of the cast members are good people. some more than others with Bob probably heading the list of outstanding citizen. Survivor game play wise my respect for Bob's game has been tarnished by his M/O of "playing the game" then crying "I have too much integrity to do as I have done"I have not lost touch that Bob did start out survivor playing the game. He did some maneuvering against ace and sugar. He got cosy hearing he was in top 5 then started playing the again when he had to. BTW- Bob is the facilitator of the humiliation of Randy. Makes him equally guilty in my book. buying protection knowing it would be at the expense of Randy's dignity is a bit low. there is a clip that shows bob smiling when randy played the idol. what got bob mad was how hard sugar laughed. not that she laughed. Real life- Bob is a most excellent guy full of integretysurvivor life- Bob is sociopathic- only sorry when "caught"

Akidodibear,I concur.

Akidodibear,However, I think Kenny is the true survivor. Every men in Gabon think very little of him, remember how Marcus arrogantly dismissed Kenny ? All of the women took advantage of his youth and innocence. He has been survived from day 2 solely on his strategy. Granded that his strategy was not perfect. But why should he trust Bob when Bod deceited Randy and him with fake idols while self-claimed that he is "the integrity man" ?I tend to go for the little guys.SO GO KENNY, WIN THE TITTLE FOR US !

margabrightI was a kenny cheerleader in the beginning. I have a geeky kenny for a son. He has had a personal computer in his room since first grade. I will probably never have grandkids cuz the boy does not leave that damn computer long enough to play kiss the girls. I stopped rooting for kenny because he started doing such a good job of rooting for himself. His smash king persona took over and the people on his tribe became 3 dimensional game pieces to him. I actually think some of the consequence back splashing kenny is experiencing is good for him. game pieces don't emote when you betray them. I do think kennyboy has done some growing up but alas my million dollar affections have gone elsewhere. alkidodibear? hmmm a misspelling or could Margabight be insulting me. hmmmmm.

rrod60 wrote: It's a game. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...17th season! Why should anyone care what they say or do to one another. I watch the show because it entertains me.. No need to get all torked up about it....

alkikodibear,I am sorry that I mispelled your name. It is my reading glass gone blurry. Please accept my appology.I have 2 sons, sweet, and nice. They think girls are god gifts to mankind. I can see Keny thinking the same way. Well, I would like to leave the innocence alone, they have to learn on their own. Just like Kenny, he is learning fast, and I hope he is benefit from failure as much as success. One thing about being older is I know things will turn out OK at the end, as long as we are sincere and willing to learn from mistake. After all, life is a great journey.Cheers,

Is is sad that pretty much every player still in this game owes their fate to Kenny, and now at least two of them think he is "evil" when it was his very same strategic thinking that has kept ALL of them in the game. Ken was thinking strategically and rationally. His goal was to take out the biggest target to therefor increase both his chances and everyone else's at winning. Sugar was thinking emotionally, she didn't didn't care about her chances, which are now basically zero because she will not win the game over the likes of Bob/Matty, one of which is now bound to make top 3. If she had kept Ken/Crystal, she would have a decent chance of winning, because both players had made enemies. Bob? No enemies (except maybe Ken now). Matty? Not many enemies either.

Ken's mistake was letting to many people know to much information and putting his faith in far to many people. Ken overlooked the fact that not everyone plays to win-some people actually do play with "honor" or some other BS where you inherently limit your own potential.

alkikodibear wrote: Big Picture- Real life wise. I think most of the cast members are good people.

there is a clip that shows bob smiling when randy played the idol.

I gotta laugh at the OP thinking Kenny being manipulative & sneaky in a game like SURVIVOR is a bad thing. Bob or Matty had to go for any of them to have a shot at the million, he and Crystal were the only two who could realize that. Obviously Sugar does not want to win!

I think Sugar may actually be playing strategically still. How many times this season has she pretended to play based on emotion and really played strategically, to win? She knew quite well how the game was proceeding when she was talking to Matty at camp and more or less telling him he'd be voted off next. And, she outplayed everyone last episode strategically, successfully voting out the person she wanted gone (Crystal). It doesn't add up to me for Sugar to suddenly decide to play "to have the good guys win" when we know she's been pretending to be dumb all season. The only thing is that voting out Crystal was really stupid from a strategic point of view....right?Is it really though? Sugar would have had the best chance of winning a jury vote against Crystal and Suzie. However, there was one roadblock before then: the final immunity challenge, where whoever was left of Bob/Matty/Kenny would have a great chance of winning. And if that person did win immunity, Sugar would be the one to go, as she would fare better with the jury than Suzie or Crystal. Getting rid of Crystal now all but guarantees her a place in the final 3.But isn't it impossible for her to beat Bob, Ken, or Matty in the final? Yes, she almost certainly cannot beat Bob- and she knows Bob is the biggest threat and said so- but she still has 2 opportunities to vote him off. If he doesn't win immunity even once, he's gone. What about Ken or Matty? Well, previously, she was clearly well behind those 2 in ability to win a jury vote, but her position there has improved I think as a result of the blindside of Crystal. Further, Sugar still holds all the power, and can control the next 2 tribal councils as well- by the end, she can very well argue she has been the best player strategically. Certainly she has played better than Matty, and it'd be hard for Kenny to argue he was the strategic mastermind if Sugar was the one in control of the game from the final 6 onward.I'm not sure if all that adds up to a good move strategically, but I wouldn't call it a really bad move at least. If Bob doesn't win immunity this next challenge or if he gives it to Kenny, he's out. If he does win and keeps it for himself, Sugar then must decide between Ken and Matty immediately. Her prospects are probably about the same either way, I think- they should have similar abilities to win jury votes. So Sugar could just choose the one she likes more, which I have a feeling is Kenny, although I really have no idea. She's liked Kenny more throughout the season, and I think most of her anger was directed at Crystal.