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i hate it its so much no fun to watch. should be as was before the best 2 to make it to the end n jury votes on. when theres 3 no one voting cares about the third.... same with watching it

I hate the final 3 with a passion. It not only seems less complete or as much of an accomplishment for the contestant, but also a person doesn't have to work near as hard as they do to reach the final 2. The idea of a final 3 is quite possibly the worst change the show has ever had IMO.

I like the final 3 for one reason...It eliminates the possibility of a person keeping the most hated person around so that they get an easy win. For example, it would have been a smart plan to keep Randy around if you know there will be a final two, since he's easy to beat in front of the jury.But, with a final 3, you have to plan a bit better.

well it seems that for this show Susie and Sugar are going to be in the F3, so whom every they pick to keep in will win, I think there is a reason that there is going to be either 4 or 5 players still standing at the end of tomorrows show. becuase if another person wasn't going to get eliminated before the finale everyone would know instanly who was going to take home the million.

the 2 times there have been a final 3 it may has well have been final 2. ozzie and Yul were the only vote getters becky just looked ontodd & blondie (forgot name) only got votes with amanda just looking on. I wish it were a final 2 with susie and sugar. I would love to see who the jury hates more. I know I know petty of me.

rcjr68 wrote: should be as was before the best 2 to make it to the end n jury votes on

Yes, that is how it SHOULD BE, but if you go back and REVIEW, rather than REMEMBER, you will see that it WASN'T the BEST 2 that made it to the end, more often than not it was one of the best and a GOAT that stood NO chance. At least with F3, you get two likely candidates and one goat.

alkikodibear wrote: the 2 times there have been a final 3 it may has well have been final 2.

And what about the several times when there was an F2? In MOST, it may as well have been F1.I don't mind you F2 people having opinions, but I'd rather your arguments have some basis in reality, or at least MAKE SENSE.

mcporche wrote: I like the final 3 for one reason...It eliminates the possibility of a person keeping the most hated person around so that they get an easy win. For example, it would have been a smart plan to keep Randy around if you know there will be a final two, since he's easy to beat in front of the jury.But, with a final 3, you have to plan a bit better.

Good, well reasoned counter-example, based on reality. Thanks!

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JTRentvv wrote:

alkikodibear wrote: the 2 times there have been a final 3 it may has well have been final 2.

And what about the several times when there was an F2? In MOST, it may as well have been F1.I don't mind you F2 people having opinions, but I'd rather your arguments have some basis in reality, or at least MAKE SENSE.

Nice of you to not mind us having an opinion. as for the statistics. there have been several seasons where the winner won by one vote. next time I have the flu perhaps I will tiptoe through the seasons for the actual percentages. Or better yet perhaps as proof of your sound basis in reality you would like to make a chart for us. It is true that many of the seasons have had a F1. Good choices have been made for who to stand up with in front of the jury. the exception being lillian who should have taken fairplay for the win

alkikodibear wrote: It is true that many of the seasons have had a F1. Good choices have been made for who to stand up with in front of the jury. the exception being lillian who should have taken fairplay for the win

I actually doubt that. Lilian was too nice, and John would have killed her in front of the jury. He would have pointed out how strategic he was, while she did nothing, and he would have destroyed her with the whole thing about her being voted out and allowed back in the game.

JTRentvv you said that final 3 makes it so that theres at least 2 good canidates and the votes are closer, but what happened in figi. If you "REVIEW" that final vote it was a complete shutout, that was really fun to watch wasn't it. If you ask me that was a Final 1.You also said that you like stats well I did some research and of the 13 seasons with final 2 only 6 of the people that won (final 3) immunity won their season, so when you say final 2 allows people to bring the goat to the finals and win easily your wrong. If your statement was completely true then I think those numbers would be a little different. NO MORE FINAL 3

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I don't know if Fans Vs. Favorites that went to F2 had a goat, I think that if Crie were still in it - Amanda would have been the clear winner instead of ParvertiIt has always been a Jury of Seven and this season might still go to a F2, just the last one voted out wont become part of the Jury.I think the problem is this season has two goats - Sugar and Susie, and like Corrine said she can't tell you the winner but she tell us who wont win. So out of the 6, there are only 4 that could win the million. I think it's going to be interesting who does. More likily it will be Kenny, who's ego is too big and his game play has been mostly luck. I keep hearing how well his game is and personally I don't see it. But if Sugar takes both Crystal and Kenny to the finals, Sugar will not be second she will be 3rd, only by taking Bob and Susie with her can she even hope for a second place win.

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I prefer final 3. In fact, I would rather have a final 16 with a jury of observers. yeah, i know, unrealistic. But somehow someone deserving to be in the final, is cut of just before the final.

alkikodibear wrote: Or better yet perhaps as proof of your sound basis in reality you would like to make a chart for us.

I don't agree that a 4/3 or 5/4 vote indicates there was NOT a Goat, btw.It would have meant more to you (and also allowed you to add your own interpretation to it), if you had made the chart yourself, but here you go (no promise on how the formatting turns out):Season Location F2/F3 Worthy1 Worthy2 Goat1 Borneo F2 Richard Kelly NoGOAT 2 Australia F2 Colby Tina NoGOAT (Kieth was available, but rejected)3 Africa F2 Ethan Kim J. NoGOAT Lex was 3rd4 Marquesas F2 Vecepia Neleh NoGOAT Kathy was 3rd5 Thailand F2 Brian NoWorthy2 Clay (Only because Clay was an even BIGGER goat than Brian)6 Amazon F2 Jenna NoWorthy2 Matt Rob C. was 3rd7 Pearl Islands F2 Sandra NoWorthy2 Lillian JFP was 3rd8 All Stars F2 Amber NoWorthy2 Rob Jenna L. was the goat, but this way Romber get 1and2 either way.9 Vanuatu F2 Chris NoWorthy2 Twila Scout was 3rd, and likely Goat210 Palau F2 Tom NoWorthy2 Katie Ian. Nuff said.11 Guatemala F2 Danni NoWorthy2 Stephenie Rafe was an idiot….12 Exile Island F2 Aras NoWorthy2 Danielle Terry Dietz getting the axe was the reason they went to F3, IMO13 Cook Islands F3 Yul Ozzy Becky Fire-building, much?14 Fiji F3 Earl Cassandra Dreamz Cassandra got no votes, but she wasn't (really) a Goat15 China F3 Todd Amanda Courtney Bluranda blows the first one.16 Micronesia F2 Amanda NoWorthy2 Parvati Parvati was the Goat, but Amanda BLEW the Final TC17 Gabon F2? So, by MY count, we've had 13 F2's, and NINE of them were really F1's. So 4 for you, 9 for me. You MIGHT be able to argue to 6 to 7, but can you really convert FIVE of these, to show a CONVINCING argument your point is valid?Whereas all three F3's had at least two people to vote for. Assuming the jury wasn't petty....

nj10devils wrote: JTRentvv you said that final 3 makes it so that theres at least 2 good canidates and the votes are closer,

I said nothing about the vote being closer. I said tow likely candidates, the idea being so that the Jury gets to vote FOR someone, rather than AGAINST someone.

nj10devils wrote: but what happened in figi. If you "REVIEW" that final vote it was a complete shutout, that was really fun to watch wasn't it. If you ask me that was a Final 1.

OK, how would a F2 have made that BETTER?

nj10devils wrote: You also said that you like stats well I did some research and of the 13 seasons with final 2 only 6 of the people that won (final 3) immunity won their season, so when you say final 2 allows people to bring the goat to the finals and win easily your wrong. If your statement was completely true then I think those numbers would be a little different.NO MORE FINAL 3

There is an old Poker saying: Look around the table. If you can't tell who the sucker (Goat) is, it's you.Go back and look who was 2nd vs. who was 3rd, and decide how many of the 3rd's would have been 1st against the same 2nd.Would Clay have beaten Jan?Matt beaten Rob C.?JFP Beaten Lil?Twila beaten Scout?Katie beaten Ian?Steph beaten Rafe?Danielle even been in the same RACE as Terry???Amanda beaten Cirie?I think nearly every one of these is a resounding NO.I think this is a MUCH better statistic.

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