Without a Trace

kagomeasha wrote: I think Jack could care less as he now have the opportunity to be with Sam as he is no longer her supervisor.

I disagree, Jack's job is his life and taking orders is not! He is going to butt heads with Medina, no doubt. But, that is when Jack is at his best!

Are you kidding, I think it was totally unfair. And lets face it we all wouldnt watch the show if we were not drawn to Jack's dedication and connection to the cases. Isnt he the person that you would want looking for you or one of your loved ones. I know I want Jack, and I HATE the NEW guy; and I have to say he is an A______ hole! What kind of boss in the FBI sits in his office all day, and does not work the case- not realistic at all!!!!!

Jack needs to reasses his job and how he allows it to affect his personal life.

Great discussion ! BUT...after season 4 Malone astonished me... ( I LIKE the actor...actually I like the team...a bit more anny and Viv)First : Danny came out of the ambush...have you ever seen him asking : hey ! How are you doing ?How could he let him joing him in the search immediately after what he had been through with Martin ( since Jack seemed to be like a father for Danny, just like Viv is a "mother" ) AND he got angry with him when Danny shot at the doctor...Okay Danny was definetely wrong...but , how he was feeling a few hours after the ambush. Jack seemed so cold to me..I didn't expect that.Secondly : when the kid wanted to blow up the school...How could he treat him that way at the end...without AT LEAST asking him : why did you act like that ? -Third : Why did he go to the court with Elena ? and not DannyFour : do you remeber when Sam hit those two guys ? ( season 3 : the episode of the bus full of students who were kidnapped ) Well we saw her with doc Harris ( where has she gone ? ) twice ....Danny and Martin got out of that ambush...have you ever seen doc Harris talking to them ?When Danny told Jack in the car : only Malone can make mistakes..." Well...he was not wrong...I did miss the Jack of the first three seasons, I DO miss the team of the first three seasons...With season four everything has changed TOO MUCh, and in fact there were always Jack and Sam....but the team is : jack, Sam, Martin, Viv, Danny and Elena...If they do not keep the balance and do not pay attention to the stories...of course they lose audience...Lots of good stories were lost along the way...Never seen a good scene between Danny and Elena saying : okay...let's just be friends ...Never seen Danny opening up with Viv again....Never seen Danny and Martin talking about theri experience....They must keep in mind that there are other characters in this show and not only Jack and Sam ( they are defineteky good...but...they appear a bit too much...)

Just wanted to apolgize for the message so badly written ! I didn't write all those strange numbers in between the words....sorry ! Hope what I wrote is clear...

mgv57 wrote: Great discussion ! First : Danny came out of the ambush...have you ever seen him asking : hey ! How are you doing ?How could he let him joing him in the search immediately after what he had been through with Martin ( since Jack seemed to be like a father for Danny, just like Viv is a "mother" ) AND he got angry with him when Danny shot at the doctor...Okay Danny was definetely wrong...but , how he was feeling a few hours after the ambush. Jack seemed so cold to me..I didn't expect that.Secondly : when the kid wanted to blow up the school...How could he treat him that way at the end...without AT LEAST asking him : why did you act like that ? -

Third : Why did he go to the court with Elena ? and not Danny

Four : do you remeber when Sam hit those two guys ? ( season 3 : the episode of the bus full of students who were kidnapped ) Well we saw her with doc Harris ( where has she gone ? ) twice ....Danny and Martin got out of that ambush...have you ever seen doc Harris talking to them ?When Danny told Jack in the car : only Malone can make mistakes..." Well...he was not wrong...

I did miss the Jack of the first three seasons, I DO miss the team of the first three seasons...With season four everything has changed TOO MUCh, and in fact there were always Jack and Sam....but the team is : jack, Sam, Martin, Viv, Danny and Elena...

If they do not keep the balance and do not pay attention to the stories...of course they lose audience...Lots of good stories were lost along the way...Never seen a good scene between Danny and Elena saying : okay...let's just be friends ...Never seen Danny opening up with Viv again....Never seen Danny and Martin talking about theri experience....They must keep in mind that there are other characters in this show and not only Jack and Sam ( they are defineteky good...but...they appear a bit too much...)

I see your point of view and I do agree from a "cold" point of view, You're right Jack sent Danny to hospital with Martin...but he saw the car riddled with bullets, he could have imagined what they had been passing through..how can you expect him to come back to work as if nothing had happened ? What I want to say is that okay Jack has always been a bit a rough guy...but just a hand on his shoulders ,or just saying a simple - it's okay -just a look....I do understand the situaiton , everything was so confused , Viv and Martin in hospital, but I would have expected them to get closer not to get colder...In Safe ( your memory is much better than mine ...) when Danny was looking at the picture on the whiteboard, thinking about what had just happen and his eyes filled with tears, Sam looked at him in such a cold way, as if he was responsible for the ambush and Martin's injuries...I mean...I was a bit astonished...it was not Danny fault if he had just had a scartch...weren't they friends.After watching the episode ( I watched it again some months ago on nationa tv ) I was stunned...Maybe because I am Italian and we are not that cold...Maybe it is just my idea, but I found that Danny was left completely alone, and he was so badly and coldy treaten from everyone....As I said now I can watch season 4 and season 3...and watching two episodes of season 4 one day, and two episodes of season 3 two days later...the diffference is clear...

Not to defend Jack, but he was protecting Danny from doing something stupid with CarlosYes. I can agree...but I NEVER EVER think Danny would shoot at someone's back..Then I think he was right to keep him at gun point..if I remember the scene well....Carlos was holding a gun in his hand while talking to Elena, he was quite out of his mind, what if Carlos would shoot at Elena ? I think Danny knew this kind of men, and he was expecting something bad to come out suddenly like , maybe had happened with his dad and his mom ( which we are not allowed to know, since we knew very little about his past, if we knew something is thanks to his brother...btw: is he is prison or not ? ) jack did good telling him not to shoot, but I do not think he would have...but that's just my opinion.I was smiling when I read about not to fratenize if you are cooworkers....I am lucky I live in Italy...You see people shaking hands, hugging, spending time together, okay you do not hug in public...but a very warm handshake and a storng friendly clap on your coworker's shoulder...In fact, the professional "coldness " between them astonishes me a bit...( And I live in the North of Italy, that is :I am quite a cold person as well...but not to that point...)

For someome whose Mother tongue isn't English, mgv57 I think your posts are great and I have no trouble understanding themAs someone who is English speaking I feel a bit ashamed that so few of us bother to learn other languages. I certainly couldn't post on a foreign board.Kagomeasha has answered a lot of the points. I agree that there were an awful lot of possible storylines in Season 4 which could have been made more of, most of which you mention.Danny's attitude to Martin confuses me. Most say it is "survivor's guilt" at the beginning but I just can't fathom out why he was so reluctant to help Martin when he learned of his tablets addiction. First he made a half-hearted attempt to talk to him but was happy not to push it, then he really had to be pushed into helping him by Sam.I agree that S4 was just not as good as S1-3 but I don't think it was that much worse. For me it really went downhill with S5. Apart from the complete mess they made of Jack's character I actually thought S6 improved a bit.Apparently Hank Steinberg said at one stage that the set was so small that it was very difficult to get all the actors in when they had a team scene so when Elena arrived this must have made it so much worse and it could possibly be part of the explanation why we don't get these scenes anymore.Just such a scene in S7 Ep 1 showed us how much we miss them.

I do agree with you loveineric ( thanks for what you wrote about my English... I do hope it is as good as you say ) You know, the feeling I got by reading all the emails in this forum and in others is....everyone is quite confused by the attitude of the characters...I,too, was quite puzzled by Danny's attitude towards Martin, and ( I repeat ) I find it hard to believe he NEVER EVER went to see him...But , like you, I was surprised when he almost "refused" to help him in his addiction, since he does know what addiction is like...That's why I began to follow the episodes with less attention ( even because I usually do three things at a time...I am quite a busy person...)I still follow the episodes and I always will, I do hope to have a little time to watch the dvds with more attention...( even if I know that that means...to find more and more mistakes and things that do not work...) but when you see that they begin very good stories, then they drop them , that the story has not a good continuity, that the interaction between them doesn't almost exist ...( I agree...there are a lot of them now...) I certainly do not stay in my armchair , stuck to the tv to watch the show...Where is their friendship, their teasing each other, their intimacy ? I do miss that ( above all Danny and Martin together, they were great ! ) and I see I am not the only one. It is not just : Loving Danny or Loving Martin or Jack....they are greater if they are together...

Jack Malone makes the show what it is!! It doesn't feel right he's now a back seat driver. Having him answer to his team, and this other guy, is totally embarrassing!! So, yes, i think what has happened to jack Malone, is wrong!! It breaks my heart!Now, seeing Martin being put in charge when this other guy goes away......is just wrong! I would stop watching the show, but i have been watching since the show 1st came on the air. It's one of my favorite shows.

I can't comment on a lot of this because I don't even watch the show anymore. It used to be one of my favorites and I never missed an episode - but once it became the "Jack Malone show" and he was over-acting every week, I just couldn't watch anymore. Sam and Martin were a good, and believable, couple; we're supposed to believe that she would get back together with Jack?! And what happened to Sam and Martin anyway? What happened to Jack's pregnant girlfriend? They were moving in together and then suddenly she was gone. I'm not sure if I missed an episode during that time because I was starting to lose patience with the show. I ended up liking all of the other characters more than Jack but their storylines were always too short and never really finished. What happened to Danny and Elena? It's like their relationships start but then they go nowhere. And Jack was constantly sticking his nose in where it didn't belong. It was getting really aggravating. I may have to watch again now that I know Jack has been demoted and Steven Weber is on it, he should be good for the ratings.That's my two cents...

I tried once again to watch Without A Trace last night. After ten minutes, I turned to another channel. It has become the Jack and Samantha show. That character has already slept with Jack and Martin. Isn't it time for Danny? Jack is acting like an SOB. I understand they are fictional characters. But he is too fine an actor to be doing such crap.

sophia12589 wrote: I tried once again to watch Without A Trace last night. After ten minutes, I turned to another channel. It has become the Jack and Samantha show. That character has already slept with Jack and Martin. Isn't it time for Danny? Jack is acting like an SOB. I understand they are fictional characters. But he is too fine an actor to be doing such crap.

Exhibit A : I wanted to play somebody who got it wrong often, who screwed up their life, who wasn't quite coping with how it went, let the pressure of the job get to him and made mistakes. He is not a completely honorable person. " LaPaglia says in a interview. Exhibit B : The tweaks to the formula are, in part, the result of nudging from the cast. "I'm all for messing with the formula," ALP says. "Formula is just luck." In fact, the cast had already tried spicing up the landscape. "We get these scenes that were a bit flat and we'd think 'What can we do with them?'" ALP says. "And we'd say 'Let's inject a little sex in there.' LaPaglia says.

Okay, I just watched the clips from last Sunday's show and Jack is acting like quite the Jackass! I mean, come on, how juvenile can you be? "Too bad you couldn't have stayed a little longer?" (when Weber's character is back from D.C.). Ugh.