Big Bang Theory

Please excuse my error posted earlier. In my haste to rebuke kmonishi's statement concerning the sexual undertones/innuendos of the show I seamed to have added the show Fringe as one of CBS's great shows. Ha...sorry. I should have included How I met your mother. Obviously, Fringe comes on another network. Although I must say that Fringe is a great show...there I feel better now.

the character is fine, the actress is absolutely perfect in the role. so, sounds like the audience needs to go to bed, or to church, or wherever it is that prevents them from enjoying friggin' PG language. "sexual references" are everywhere these days. better to see some realistic ones portrayed on TV than simply allow your kids to absorb subliminal suggestions which are everywhere !!or just quit watching. you're obviously not going to prepare your kids for life...so you'd better find a remote cabin in Utah, one of those multi-wife enclaves in Texis, or maybe raise them Sarah Palin-style so they'll be pregnant in high school.

I think the writers have done a great job with the "Leslie" character. The sex references aren't in ANY way over-the-top, they're remarkably low for today's sitcoms. If you don't want your children watching this then the simple answer is Don't Let Them.

susejsusej wrote: "sexual references" are everywhere these days. better to see some realistic ones portrayed on TV than simply allow your kids to absorb subliminal suggestions which are everywhere !!

Immoral how exactly? How are sexual references immoral? This is what the people who scream about them always fail to mention. Why are these innuendos immoral? I don't think they break any kind of moral code that I'm aware of. It would be a different matter if they ran around naked screaming them out but on TBBT they are for the most part quite subtle. (With certain obvious exceptions)

FYI Sara's status has been changed from 'regular' to 'guest star'i guess the writers had trouble finding ways to get her into story lines.

Wow! Who knew Sara would be such a hot topic!I honestly don't notice her much when she's in the scenes.When I first saw she was on the show I thought "Ew... I don't think a Rosanne element is going to work in this show." But she grew on me a little, she's just "there". If she's in a scene, cool. If not, don't even notice.I agree with the one poster who said "...but it's so one-note. I mean, every time she's in a cafeteria scene with the guys, we know what's going to happen: insult Sheldon, a few lines with the guys, insult Sheldon again...."But she's not the only character that I think could use a tad bit more of depth to 'em. They've got great actors, (I saw Sara in a drama show last year somewhere and she surprised the heck out of me and was great!). They could utilize all this talent a little bit more.It would be nice to see a couple more surprises like "the hug" scene between Sheldon and Penny.I don't mean mushy, but that scene just showed, not sure how to describe it... more "omg" fun and character stretching moments.Anyway, back on topic, lol, I don't really even notice her, so I guess I vote is - leave as is.This show is mild compared to the ones I grew up on: Three's Company, etc.,

vincentiai do share your thought that its the parent's jobto teach the children, not television. and i also dont agree with susejsusej that if you dont like innuendo, you should remove yourself from society and isolate.but i will ask you this. it sounds like you dont like the references or innuendo on TBBT, which is obviously a bigpart of the show. if thats so, then why are you hereon a message board dedicated to that show only andspending time talking about something you dont particularly like, or want your kids to watch?thats my question

For any of you who think our culture is not getting desensitized, is not in a downward decline, how's about this for an illustration:"That 70's Show," which has more sexual references, more obvious sexual content, and more explicit drug references than any sitcom I can think of, is now being shown regularly on the ABC FAMILY channel. PLEASE, PLEASE tell me you see what's wrong here!!For those of you unfamiliar with morality or why it's important:All cultures and societies have a system of morals and ethics, a method of judging actions as either good or bad, righteous or evil. From a practical, earthly, secular worldview, such moral codes serve to create order out of chaos, such as in the form of a government creating laws. However, morals may also take more ambigious forms, and may not be officially documented, and therefore exist in a community's united social consciousness (hence: good/bad manners).From a religious perspective, morals have greater import than simply keeping order. Most religions teach some system of knowing the difference between good and evil, as a means to avoid acts that will lead a person to hell, and to promote acts that lead to grace, enlightenment, or heaven.Morality fits into entertainment, and therefore any sitcom in many ways: philosophically, psychologically, artistically...My point is: if a culture's entertainment is immoral, the culture is immoral, and therefore the people are immoral.Whether you want to believe it or not, sex is an aspect of the human experience that can be both beautiful or corrupted. As one of the main driving forces for the species' survival, it has a huge effect on everyone, in one way or another. That's why political scandals are plastered all over the news and entertainment channels, and why they are so interesting to the public. It's human nature to be interested in seeing the powerful brought to their knees, or at least off their pedestals, by something so simple that most people experience.From a religious perspective, carelessness with the subject of sex leads to irresponsibility with its consequences, such as children or STDs. If people practiced more responsibilty with sex, there'd be less of many things that most people would agree are "bad," most obviously abortions and STDs.The subject of sex should be treated with more respect and responsibility than it usually is, especially in a form of communication that reaches out to EVERYONE, such as television.And once again: A PERSON CAN STILL LIKE A SHOW AND HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. If someone wants to watch this show, but is dissappointed with the morality within it, that's no different than all the posters who have complained about various characters all along the way.If this topic is too deep for you, then don't ask frivolous questions.And "Texas" is spelled with an "a" not an "i".A person can prepare his or her children for life without resorting to fanatical extremes. It's a classic case of just taking the time and effort, having good judgement, and not being careless or irresponsible.

"A PERSON CAN STILL LIKE A SHOW AND HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. If someone wants to watch this show, but is dissappointed with the morality within it"first of all, morality is a personal issue. so please dont wield it like you invented it and are the scribe to it on this site. its why people dont want to discuss religion or morality withthose of your ilk. there's not just one viewpoint. if you really have moral issues and objections about the show, you should be takinga stand and boycotting it, along with any websites dedicated to it. but no, you're here to show us all the error of our ways. bring down something we feel is wonderful because you have objections. you dont find it enjoyable so youwant the rest of us to dislike it too. sorry, but this flock does not need to be sheparded. they're happy in the field where they stand.the show is what it is, and would not be the same enjoyable 22 mins every monday at 8pmif the innuendo and sexual tension were omitted. and i'm not even going to broach the subject of the effect of sex in TV and movieson the morality of our youth. thats a complete novel and we totally disagree. its ok for you to find the show objectionable...or at least some parts. its your right. but please dont compare it to complaints about plots and characters. it is different. because when you tell me, ( and the others here )that the show promotes immorality, then those of us who find it enjoyable are being told thatour beliefs and character are immoral too. its guilt by association, and last i checkedjoseph mccarthy was still dead. and btw, to the rest of the message board viewers, this issue was dead over a month ago, butwas reincarnated by vincentia to whom i responded and then again by shire. i can let it die here if they do.

Firstly, I'm only answering the issues that were already brought up by other posters. In case you didn't read the orignal poster's message, the issue WAS regarding morality, THAT'S why the poster wanted the Sara Gilbert character rewritten. I'm glad Vincentia spoke up, and I had left the forum for like a month, until I saw some of the negative feedback to her post.Secondly, I'm not trying to "shepherd" anyone. I'm trying to defend the views already expressed here, and in doing so, I choose to elaborate and explain my defense and support.You seem to think I am telling you what to do, or that I am criticizing you. I'm not. I'm criticizing the show, and what it could represent in art/society. If you make that connection through association, that's your doing not mine. Likewise, when you say that I shouldn't say my thoughts on the forum, you're bossing me around which isn't fair either. Actually, you've taken part in establishing your own ethics to this discussion. You think what I have posted is "wrong" according to what you believe is proper for this discussion, but in doing so, have fallen into the same position yourself, and begin to order what should or shouldn't be, what you believe is "right" or "wrong."You probably shouldn't use phrases like "those of your ilk" since you DO NOT KNOW ME. You have no right to judge me according to YOUR worldview. And you might be suprised that I'm a fair, open-minded person. You're wrong: the show WOULD be the same level of humor, but better, with less bad moral jokes in it. I've seen it myself. When you avoid the least quality, the basest of humor, the least-common-denominator stuff, you end up with more creative humor, which is more intellectual and more thought provoking.And another point we simply disgree on is the issue of comparing this type of criticism of the show to criticism of other elements in it. Sorry, but there is no difference. It follows the same exact formula: person in audience has complaint, gives reasons why, then gives a theoretical answer/conclusion. It's no different from people who don't like Sheldon because they find him annoying. (Personally, I think Sheldon, and Penny, and their interaction is the only thing the show really has that's unique.)