The Unit

Several items, first, brass catchers are not perfect. The idea is to pick up the brass and not leave any behind but a few rounds are likely to fall out. Bob found two shells, that would be consistent with a firefight only if brass catchers were used, otherwise there would have been a lot more.A 10mm is a pistol round, not a rifle round. Larger diameter, but less power, much less. You can't go just by the caliber or bore size of round, there is no comparison between pistol and rifle rounds as far as power goes. Pistol rounds don't hold anywhere near the same amount of powder.A standard M-16 or M-4 rifle fires a US 5.56 round, not a Nato 7.62. The US 5.56 is the same as a civilian .223 and the 7.62 is the same as a civilian .308. These are all rifle rounds. Normally, no one would hunt deer with a glazer rounds. These rounds are made for close combat, populated areas, and aircraft. They are great for personal defense as you don’t need to worry about what is on the other side of a wall. They are lethal but do not have penetrative power (why the air marshals use them). This is very different from a Black Talon round that is Teflon tipped for maximum penetration. Body armor is the real key. Glazers would not be affective against body armor, Talons would. Neither are made for hunting.Now that being said, did anyone catch what Ryan told Redcap as he was sending her away? He said something about how she had been erased from the Department of Defense personnel files. He said the entire team had been. Is that normal? They have mentioned the fact before that elements of the unit had been compromised. Could they be setting up some kind of internal mission to expose a high level traitor within DoD or within the unit itself? Could this be tied to the same outfit that tried to shut them down at the start of season 3?

nctentmaker wrote: Now that being said, did anyone catch what Ryan told Redcap as he was sending her away? He said something about how she had been erased from the Department of Defense personnel files. He said the entire team had been. Is that normal? They have mentioned the fact before that elements of the unit had been compromised. Could they be setting up some kind of internal mission to expose a high level traitor within DoD or within the unit itself? Could this be tied to the same outfit that tried to shut them down at the start of season 3?

nctentmaker wrote: Now that being said, did anyone catch what Ryan told Redcap as he was sending her away? He said something about how she had been erased from the Department of Defense personnel files. He said the entire team had been. Is that normal? They have mentioned the fact before that elements of the unit had been compromised. Could they be setting up some kind of internal mission to expose a high level traitor within DoD or within the unit itself? Could this be tied to the same outfit that tried to shut them down at the start of season 3?

ownedtoo wrote:

Huggsnok wrote: Most rounds fired from a weapon are leathal, even the so called non leathal ones. Hit at a bad place and you die no matter how non leathal the round is. This even goes for some of the training ammo used. yes if i shot you in the eye with a .22 you'd be dead other than that i know people that have been shot several times with a .22 and still kicked ass on the person who was stupid enough to pull the triggerHere you quoted Darkgunman on how he shot a deer with 10mm glasersand if you knew any thing about black talons, golden sabers, etc then you would understand how such rounds work (then again you said you wern't an expert) Hm, again im not expert, but the rounds used by the military would be 5.56 rounds rather than 10mm would they not? then again you don't know what your talking about as the M16 uses 7.62 nato rounds larger than 5.56 nato but then again you said your not an expert I think the round you used (talking about darkgunman's deer hunting) was specifically meant for hunting. (I doubt you were out shooting deer just for the fun of shooting something No he was trying to put one in the freezer.. we feed ourselfs that way... and YES we want a quick and fast kill so we use what gets the job done a 10mm for hunting .. mmm yes but not deer since is larger than what our government gives our regular army right now(the 7.62 nato)(I say that as there are forces using bigger and better)and if you try coming in my house you won't have to worry about nothing as what i use will stop you on the spot and any evidence will be fed to the dogs and and remeber tree don't talk and the ears of corn can't hearSO before you take what knowledge you think you know rethink... there are people who take their firearms very i mean very serious

I stated that it had to do a bit where you hit upon a persons body. For example, in Northern Ireland the British used rubber bullets, since they were considered non leathal, but alot of head shots turned out to be leathal anyhow. I also said MOST rounds, not ALL rounds. Do me a favor and actually READ the posts before you comment on what I say. About the deer:I thought he was referring to a hunting round rather than some kind of military round. The 5.56 is used by both the M16 and the M4 no matter what you say. I don't care how seriously you say you take your guns, but in this matter you are wrong. Heck, i even went to the company who manufactures the M16 and M4 rifles in order to check so that I had it right. And their specifications for the M16 and M4 clearly states its for 5.56 nato rounds. But I guess they are lying too. I am not expert on weapons, but I do try and take my information from sources that appear somewhat valid, and are not something I came up with in the back of my head to seem cool. And last, but not least. I don't see the point in mentioning your gun or whatever you were going to do to me. I am glad you are happy with your gun, and I wish you a long and prosperous life. As for me, I am just happy I'm as far away as I can possibly be from you and your gun. You come off as rather scary and freaky with that last part of your post.

auburnhead33 wrote: how is Red Cap managing her personal expenses in the Philippines and is she on a payroll somewhere? Just asking.

nctentmaker wrote: A 10mm is a pistol round, not a rifle round. Larger diameter, but less power, much less. You can't go just by the caliber or bore size of round, there is no comparison between pistol and rifle rounds as far as power goes. Pistol rounds don't hold anywhere near the same amount of powder.A standard M-16 or M-4 rifle fires a US 5.56 round, not a Nato 7.62. The US 5.56 is the same as a civilian .223 and the 7.62 is the same as a civilian .308. These are all rifle rounds. Normally, no one would hunt deer with a glazer rounds. These rounds are made for close combat, populated areas, and aircraft. They are great for personal defense as you don’t need to worry about what is on the other side of a wall. They are lethal but do not have penetrative power (why the air marshals use them). This is very different from a Black Talon round that is Teflon tipped for maximum penetration. Body armor is the real key. Glazers would not be affective against body armor, Talons would. Neither are made for hunting.Now that being said, did anyone catch what Ryan told Redcap as he was sending her away? He said something about how she had been erased from the Department of Defense personnel files. He said the entire team had been. Is that normal? They have mentioned the fact before that elements of the unit had been compromised. Could they be setting up some kind of internal mission to expose a high level traitor within DoD or within the unit itself? Could this be tied to the same outfit that tried to shut them down at the start of season 3?

ksalanpang wrote:

auburnhead33 wrote: - how is Red Cap managing her personal expenses in the Philippines and is she on a payroll somewhere? Just asking.

Col. Ryan's personal credit card The Unit stole diamonds! I 'm not sure how it works. But I think The Unit members have their payroll accounts somehow as a cover 303rd Logistics. There was a showcase of Jonas transferring his paychecks to Molly on Paradise Lost or a few episodes before or after.

Huggsnok wrote: Hm, you could be right there, about the diamonds and such. Wasn't that episode about setting up security in case things went wrong and a unit member would have to go into hiding for doing something that saved the unit but caused them legal trouble or something like that?

ksalanpang wrote:

Huggsnok wrote: Hm, you could be right there, about the diamonds and such. Wasn't that episode about setting up security in case things went wrong and a unit member would have to go into hiding for doing something that saved the unit but caused them legal trouble or something like that?

yes. they got away with it anyways. (which made it a few great episodes)I still think that the stealing part was a bad move by them (Bob had no idea, so I don't really want to count him). And they knew the consequences of it. I was seriously thinking that the story might developed and made Jonas a bad guy. I guess he could never be. I wonder what's on the Jonas' CIA profile still..

All I know for certain after reading all the posts is that this one was Awesome!!!, I was really impressed with the way things went, disappointed with the ending, never a fan of TO BE CONTINUED....I'm an instant gratification kinda guy. ALSO.....Please move this show back to it's Tuesday timeslot....Damn football is killing me and my DVR....I lost the last 15 min of the show, but thank the heavens for this site. I look forward to the return, this is my favorite show.

I would have liked to see Kim be a little more eloquent when arguing for her life. Something like, "You asked me to trust you and I did, because I love you and I am asking you to trust me now," or, "I am in this just as dep as you are, I have already helped you, I am willing to run away with you right now, we have (whatever the baby's name is) what more do we need?" I think anything would have been better than close my eyes and cover my ears.I also think she should have used her leverage to get her kids back. Something to Ryan along the lines of, I don't think I will have to tell Bob as long as I have my kids back by tonight would work.

nctentmaker wrote: I would have liked to see Kim be a little more eloquent when arguing for her life. Something like, "You asked me to trust you and I did, because I love you and I am asking you to trust me now," or, "I am in this just as dep as you are, I have already helped you, I am willing to run away with you right now, we have (whatever the baby's name is) what more do we need?" I think anything would have been better than close my eyes and cover my ears.I also think she should have used her leverage to get her kids back. Something to Ryan along the lines of, I don't think I will have to tell Bob as long as I have my kids back by tonight would work.

i was thinking. They should have the boys stayed on their 4-wheelers a bit longer. I've never seen them on one Plus, they all dressed in black. Looked totally mean!I wonder if the real SF people use 4-wheelers to travel around.

hey guys, first time poster so give me some slackOn the topic before about redcaps files being deleted, i think that they were deleted because she had been given a new identity just like the rest of the team and their families, and if they found out who she is and where she is then that could jeopardize the covers of the rest. So not only is Ryan saving her, he is also saving everybody else in the unit.Then that brings me to my next thought, that there is some one high up in the gov't that is dirty. Feeding the undersecretary (Dr. Death) bad intel about the anthrax, and getting the SF to do their own personal agenda. also they do need to do research about their weapons. when grey and bob were taking out the power, when they shot the sentry, their guns were muffled, and none of the other soldiers in the facility heard them when clearly they didn't have silencers on. I also recall this happening in the season premier, when they rose out of the pool, and shot all the BG, they guns had silencers on them but they shot as if they didn't have them on. I'm sorry but the little details like that really bug me.Also best quote of the night, "Inspiration is a momentary sensation of stupidity"

ksalanpang wrote: The Unit stole diamonds! I 'm not sure how it works. But I think The Unit members have their payroll accounts somehow as a cover 303rd Logistics. There was a showcase of Jonas transferring his paychecks to Molly on Paradise Lost or a few episodes before or after.

Huggsnok wrote: Hm, you could be right there, about the diamonds and such. Wasn't that episode about setting up security in case things went wrong and a unit member would have to go into hiding for doing something that saved the unit but caused them legal trouble or something like that?