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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/14/2008 23:51:40
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alphazealot
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As I predicted, Sugar had ZERO shot of winning against Bob. Ken should be a prophet, because he knew exactly how things were going to play out if Bob stayed in the game, and things went exactly as he predicted. To bad Sugar was to much of an idiot, she would actually have had a shot at a million if she were paired against Chystal/Susie or Ken/Susie, but not a chance in hell if Bob/Matty were in the mix.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/14/2008 23:55:50
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girly55
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alphazealot wrote: As I predicted, Sugar had ZERO shot of winning against Bob. Ken should be a prophet, because he knew exactly how things were going to play out if Bob stayed in the game, and things went exactly as he predicted. To bad Sugar was to much of an idiot, she would actually have had a shot at a million if she were paired against Chystal/Susie or Ken/Susie, but not a chance in hell if Bob/Matty were in the mix. Sugar's not an idot. But that's besides the point. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WIN PERIOD. SHE WANTED BOB OR MATTY TO WIN.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 00:09:44
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MaIshU
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alphazealot wrote: Ken's mistake was letting to many people know to much information and putting his faith in far to many people. Ken overlooked the fact that not everyone plays to win-some people actually do play with "honor" or some other BS where you inherently limit your own potential. Kenny made four blunders.Kenny's first mistake was falling for Bob's second fake idol. Had Kenny used his head, he would have realized that if Marcus really pulled a switcheroo when he tossed the idol in to the ocean, that Bob, Corinne, and Randy would have used that idol to save Randy. With that thought in mind, Kenny would have come to the natural conclusion that they were playing him.Second, since Kenny did not figure out that it was a fake, he made the mistake of voting Matty. In poker terms, he showed his hand. A Survivor fan for years, he should have figured out, Hey, if I vote Corinne and she plays the idol, big threat Matty is gone when our votes for Corinne are tossed. We still have a 4-2 advantage over Corinne and Bob and they have no hidden idols to hide behind and my alliance doesn't hate me.Third, discussing his plan to blindside Bob after Ken got the immunity necklace. Crystal was his only true ally, something he displayed by only sharing Bob & Corinne's plan with her. Kenny made the rest feel sorry for Bob, leading to their flip. Fourth, a huge mistake made by both Crystal and Ken, lashing out at Matty. Everyone (except probably Sue) was ready to vote big physical threat Matty off. Made Sugar feel sorry for Matty and want to get back at them.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 00:11:31
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MaIshU
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alphazealot wrote: As I predicted, Sugar had ZERO shot of winning against Bob. Ken should be a prophet, because he knew exactly how things were going to play out if Bob stayed in the game, and things went exactly as he predicted. To bad Sugar was to much of an idiot, she would actually have had a shot at a million if she were paired against Chystal/Susie or Ken/Susie, but not a chance in hell if Bob/Matty were in the mix. Sorry, misread your post as Susie instead of Sugar. Yeah, Sugar had no shot against anyone except perhaps Kenny/Crystal and Susie.I agree with girly55. Sugar didn't really seem to care that much. She was like, Yeah, a million would be nice but I'm not kissing any butt to get it.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 12:13:09
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alphazealot
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Sugar's not an idot. But that's besides the point. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WIN PERIOD. SHE WANTED BOB OR MATTY TO WIN. This is exactly my point though. You are playing a game for a million dollars...and you want SOMEONE ELSE to win it? That is called thinking irrationally. Also, I agree with most of those mistakes listed for Ken.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 12:29:17
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Evvivan
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Looks like I was completely wrong about Sugar wanting to win. She's not stupid though- if she is then what does that make the other survivors? She has different goals; clearly, $1,000,000 was not that important to her.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 12:39:28
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metalmonstar
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Ken's mistakes1. Falling for the fake idol.2. Not being willing to commit to ousting Matty or Corinne. 3. Trying to get Bob and Corinne's jury vote.4. Trying to blindside Bob instead of just ousting Matty.Those are Ken's 4 small mistakes. The two big ones are1. Trusting Sugar.2. Getting Cocky.I am impressed with how Ken played. Honestly he should have been gone within the first couple of episodes for being near useless at challenges. He made good plays when himself and his allies were on the chopping block. Several times I remember thinking that Ken will be gone in the next couple of episodes only to see him triumph. Then during the merge Ken actually competed with Bob, and Matty at challenges. I think had they taken out Bob Ken probably would have won several challenges.So little gamer Kenny played a good strategic game and towards the end he wasn't half bad at challenges.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 15:29:24
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knitemplar3
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Am so glad Kenny didn't make it. He was such a shiftless loser. Kenny, I hope you read this. You need to go back to school or to your grandmother to get your moral compass back in kilter. Get your head outta the gaming world. That is NOT the real world. You can't move people around as you said: like chess pieces. You got a LONNNNNNGGGGGGG way to go to command my respect; and you sure didn't get it on this SURVIVOR!!
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 16:57:23
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swordplay1
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I'll say what I said before.Please realize that in Kens profession. Using his so called "Mindgames" is a huge part of his life and thus strategy in survivor."Mindgames" Involve manipulating people to do what you want. Tricking people in order to improve you position. And constantly coming up with new ideas and stratagies to win."Ken did all of these very well.What you may not know is that "Mindgames" does not involve lying. When you play a video game like smash, you usually don't talk. Lying is what got him in the end as he wasn't the best at that. He couldn't recover.Behind the mask and all of his tricks, Ken is just a little kid. He says survivor improved his life and it did. For all of those you doubt it listen to this.Ken wanted to emerge as a social leader. It was something he has never done before. Most gamers are quiet people you know and Ken is not much of an exception. Survivor did change him. It gave him leadership traits that he never had.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 17:00:28
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knitemplar3
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Who cares?? He was over-rated. Won what? ONE challlenge. Was a sniverling, whining wuss. Not exactly in the my SURVIVOR Hall of Fame.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 17:02:54
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swordplay1
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Ken's entire strategy involved on manipulating people that wanted to win. What Ken failed to realize is that certain people can't be predicted and are irrational.That person is Sugar. Ken never predicted that Sugar wasn't playing to win but for a lifetime experience. She didn't care who won in the end as long as she made it to the end.Ken played a good game. Those who say otherwise really don't know him.For a little insight, Ken is like a person with a split personality. Once he gets involved in a game like survivor and smash, he can be very competitive and powerful. However, outside of the game, he really is a genuine person.It's unfortunate that you only got to see half of what makes up Ken.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 17:08:52
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knitemplar3
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No, I am not as fixated on Kenny as you are, swordplay. He got as much time from me as everybody else on the show. Why should I pay special attention to him? I didn't see ANY endearing qualities in that immature little man with NO real-life experience, that was worth getting to know him more. Why are you on this crusade to fight for him? Makes one wonder what your real-life priorities are.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 17:11:46
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Evvivan
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Well, from reading swordplay's post, it sounds like he knows Ken in real life. That would be a reason to care, no?
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/15/2008 17:12:59
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knitemplar3
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Evvivan wrote: Well, from reading swordplay's post, it sounds like he knows Ken in real life. That would be a reason to care, no? Well, swordplay may...but I don't. That doesn't change how I view him.
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![[Post New]](/forum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12/16/2008 10:18:27
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ladyapril777
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I would like to commend kenny for taking his destiny into his own hands and playing the game he made a lot of very smart stretgic moves except for trying to stab bob in the back however much of a snake you say he is he played the game and played it well I think the real snake in the game was definatley karin wow what a heartless woman! To make a comment about somebodys love one who passed is about the snakiest thing anybody coulda done! karin if your reading this all the money and acheivments in the world cant buy you class hun, cause you have no class! a real lady would have never said that ! it is you who is a leech on society my dear.
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