bessie_mae wrote: And, I have no idea where Elle would be. Where do you put someone you don't like, love, dislike, or hate? She was just there.

bessie_mae wrote: People don't usually just bring up how badly a character can come off if they're judged based on one thing unless someone actually has judged the character based on one thing.

falcon-121 wrote: Oh, that is what you were referring to. Sorry, misunderstood. When I referred to judging someone based on one thing, I was referring to myself, not you. You have more than one reason for disliking him, the only thing that I had against him was his demeanor in the first few episodes (which includes him checking out JJ and actually commenting on it). So I was saying that I wasn't going to judge him based off one thing (justifying why I don't have a problem with him).

kaylavamplvr wrote: 1. Morgan (If anyone has to ask why he's number one, they need to be backfisted across the face--he is purely candy for the eyes.)2. Garcia (She reminds me of Abby, my favorite character on NCIS.)3. Reid (He techno-geek-speak cracks me up.)4. JJ (Um...I really don't have a reason for this one.)5. Emily (Um...same here.)6. Hotch (I wish to punch him. He annoys me.)7. Rossi (Um...same here.)

falcon-121 wrote: Something I noticed on the A&E episode tonight (that channel shows CM in sydication, first season stuff so far, tonight's episode was "Machismo") was that no one was wearing their seat belts.

bessie_mae wrote:

falcon-121 wrote: Something I noticed on the A&E episode tonight (that channel shows CM in sydication, first season stuff so far, tonight's episode was "Machismo") was that no one was wearing their seat belts.

They said in "Penelope" that agents don't wear seat belts, in case they need to get out of the car quickly. Of course, to confuse the issue, there was an episode where Gideon made a point of telling Reid to buckle his seat belt.

Reid was rude to Emily when he was on drugs and still traumatised, she was still new to the team and overstepped the mark more than once from what I can remember (Hotch actually pulled her into his office for being too nosy).

maddy75 wrote: I think Emily overstepped the mark when she questioned Hotch about the woman who visited him but he overstepped the mark by accusing her of not being trustworthy. He was more offensive though I agree.

maddy75 wrote: I'm a Reid fan so I'm gonna defend him here lol.Reid was rude to Emily when he was on drugs and still traumatised, she was still new to the team and overstepped the mark more than once from what I can remember (Hotch actually pulled her into his office for being too nosy). Plus...they still had no idea where she came from and that's not a great start...by being rude he was telling her to go away, he should apologise I agree but I think the two of them are getting on VERY well at the moment so they have ironed out their differences. Secondly, the team tend to mother him because he's seen as the baby of the team, he's still very very young to be where he is and I don't think they can stop themselves going ott sometimes. That's their problem though not his, they are not doing him any favours...blame them for that....including Emily.Thirdly, I don't see Reid as being weak. I think he's awkward and unsure of himself sometimes but not weak. I think the main thing is though that he does whatever he's asked for his team and does it with straight A's. Look at him working out the book in FK or recently the Arien code...he is a very valuable member of the team so I really don't think the fact he's not this big masculine tough guy matters. They have that anyway with Morgan.

joleva75 wrote: Keep in mind that when Reid does make a stand for himself something catastrophic usually occurs. Also, the team has been known to shoot him down when he tries to stand up for himself. Just when he starts to build up his own confidence something happens to shake his self-esteem.

joleva75 wrote: Keep in mind that when Reid does make a stand for himself something catastrophic usually occurs. Also, the team has been known to shoot him down when he tries to stand up for himself. Just when he starts to build up his own confidence something happens to shake his self-esteem.

bessie_mae wrote:

joleva75 wrote: Reid did tell Prentiss he was sorry, which was what JJ said to him in Revelations. And, Prentiss telling him not to blame himself was similar to Reid telling JJ his kidnapping wasn't her fault. But, I don't think Reid knew it wasn't his fault, any more than JJ knew it wasn't hers when he got kidnapped.

Fair enough, I can see that. To tell the truth, I was doing some work while watching the episode, so I probably missed Reid actually saying he is sorry (which is why I haven't mentioned it). Hard for a guy to focus on two things at one time, not the way that we are wired.

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sweetbleu88 wrote: I think Emily has a social akwardness about her maybe in a less obvious way then Reid. I don't she intends to say some of the things she says in the manner that she says them like with Hotch or with Reid for that matter, but somehow when she says things it comes off the wrong way, might be why I have problems with her character sometimes, she just rubs me the wrong way, but slooowly but surely I don't mind her as much...Anyways, I might be the only one who didn't think that Hotch or Reid was out of line for snapping at her, the way she came into the picture was unfortunate, and it was even more unfortunate that she did have to prove how trustworthy she is and in general prove herself.

Part of being new at something is that you have to learn your place, but that is for Hotch to take care of because he is the leader, not Reid. Take ROTC, for example. I take orders from people who are ranked above me, the Hotch's of teh group. If I'm out of line, they handle it, not someone who is the same rank or lower rank than me (in Reid's case, we'll make it the same rank). As for Emily, I was rubbed the wrong way when she said that Hotch "liaised" with Joyner, but most of the other stuff never bothered me too much (there were a couple of things that made me say geez, but it didn't affect how I felt about her character in general). I'm a little understanding of that, though, since I have been known to have a few social slip-ups of my own, so maybe that is why it doesn't bother me. The reason that the "liaised" comment bothered me was because it seemed like she was trying to imply/instigate something that was never there. Maybe she was just joking, but there was probably a better time/place for that. The other comments seemed to just be accidental, slip of the tongue type things, which don't bother me too much.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291355.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291355.page GMT EXAMPLE 1 : In the episode where the daughter of a mobster in witness protection got kidnapped, he tried to talk the mobster out of killing the guy who kidnapped her and the mobster blew the guy's head off right in front of him.EXAMPLE 2 : In The Fisher King, he tried to talk the guy into giving up and he blew himself up, and almost Reid.Example 3: Revelations, of course, but that's been addressed.Example 4 : He has tried on several occassions to "comfort" every member of the team at one time or another and is always blown off. Morgan is to manly to need comforting. Hotch is too shut off. Rossi, same thing. And all the girls see him as a little brother.When you are perceived as the "baby" you are coddled whether you want it or not. (Speaking from experience.)Also, I'm not sure, but I don't think Reid is an agent in the same sense as the others. He barely made it through the physical parts of the process. I don't remember where, but there was an episode where Hotch brought it up as they were being held by an unsub in a police station and Hotch distracted the unsub so Reid could shoot him.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291376.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291376.page GMT Ahh falc one of my partners in crime with the friendly debates! LOL! I totally get what you are saying...I think for me personally I get annoyed when someone I barely know, not to mention someone who I am already skeptical of, attempts to put me in my place, unless there is some level of authority I suppose. I know she was concerned but at that stage early in their relationship it could easily be misinterpreted as judging.Oh yeah that liased comment killed me. She does slip up a lot and I do get it. I'm still working on liking Prentiss, I still don't know what it is for certain that prevents me from liking her as much as the others...

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291398.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291398.page GMT It is common, at least in my opinion, to like the originals more than the newer characters, because you know a lot more about the originals. My two favorites are JJ and Hotch, both originals. I would put Gideon on that list, also, but he is no longer on the show (was an original, though). About the friendly debates, I keep on reading over my post and thinking "I'm definitely going to have some ticked off person yelling at me in about two seconds!" LOL! Wouldn't be the first time.I agree with the authority comment, but I think that you have picked up on special circumstances. Reid had issues (yes, it was the drugs fault, but he still had issues), and someone had to deal with them (being on drugs, he couldn't do that by himself, so someone had to show some concern). Since no one else stepped up to the plate, Prentiss did. So you could really blame everyone else for that as much as her, if not more. I can't tell you how bad it ticks me off when a low-ranked person in ROTC thinks he/she knows everything or tries to order people around. Of course, I have some special circumstances of my own in that class (lots of leeway, almost like being an officer), so I don't get put in my place a lot (then again, it isn't necessary because I discovered my place by myself). I think that is the main thing, you let the person try to find their place by themselves, and if they struggle then you give them a hint into the right direction. If they still can't find it, then you have to put a bit of a verbal smackdown (the fun part, lol).

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291436.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291436.page GMT I think the timing of Prentiss calling Reid on his behavior made the difference. I mean, I don't think this had anything to do with authority or even trying to put him in his place. This happened right in front of her. She saw him scare a lady by implying that a murderer could be there with them at that very moment. Lets say you've worked with someone only a little while. I think if they hauled off and slapped a complete stranger on the job, with only you there to see it, a lot of people would probably say something like, "what the hell was that?" (I'm NOT saying Reid slapped anyone or anything like that, I'm trying to use examples to make a point) I don't think it would matter to a lot of people (don't want to say all) how new they might be, the main thing would be wondering what happened. She was just dealing with what she would have had to be blind to ignore, because she had a front row seat to see that Reid wasn't okay. She left the sit down and talk to him and air out all the issues to Gideon, by bringing it to his attention. You could always blame the writers for having Reid showing his first major sign of being not fine when he happened to be teamed up with Prentiss, rather than doing it when he was with Morgan or Gideon or someone else who knew him longer. And, Reid did snap at Morgan only one episode before. Fear and Loathing. "Thanks for broadcasting" and "I can still do my job, I'm not going to freak out!" Two differences there were he couldn't tell Morgan that he barely knows him, and Morgan wouldn't have backed down anyway. Then again, I don't think Reid was at all skeptical of Prentiss. Reid was one of the first people to welcome Prentiss, but somehow that arc of all of two episodes gets remembered way more than the way they got along more than fine in Lessons Learned, No Way Out, Profiler, Profiled (and those were the last episodes they spent any amount of scenes together until Distress). As far as liking originals better, well, I must be an anomaly. I've always far preferred Prentiss to Elle. And, while I do like Gideon better than Rossi, it's by a tiny margin. I've never been a big Gideon fan (except his friendship with Hotch) and didn't like him that much but he gets a couple of points above Rossi, because I never downright hated him. But, still my feelings on Rossi were never directly connected to any feelings about Gideon.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291701.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291701.page GMT I agree with all of that. When I mentioned liking originals better, it doesn't really apply if you didn't like the originals in the first place. But lets say that Hotch is your favorite (which if I remember correctly, he is). All of a sudden, Prentiss is on and you like her to, but Hotch is probably still going to be your favorite. Lets say that Hotch and Prentiss were exactly alike (making an example, since they obviously are not), but Hotch was on the show one or two years longer. Most people are probably going to like Hotch over Prentiss because they have seen more episodes with Hotch, so they have learned more about him. Hope I'm making sense there. Obviously, disliking an original changes that, but I personally liked all the originals (of course, I like the newer characters, too, part of the advantage of a crew that is very good at casting).

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291793.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/291793.page GMT Then, I'm still the exception. Not on this show, but another show, there was a character who had been there from the start (she was the star of the show, really) who was my favorite. Another character came a few seasons before the show ended, and I wound up liking that new character better than anyone.

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joleva75 wrote: When you are perceived as the "baby" you are coddled whether you want it or not. (Speaking from experience.)

Speaking as the youngest in my own family, I can tell you that I was not coddled for a second of my life. Not in any form or fashion. Perhaps that's why I don't understand the entire team's seeming obsessive need to treat him like a child. He has been in the unit for several years, he wouldn't be able to do his job as well as he does (the psychology of it anyway) if he weren't stronger than they seem to think. He's what, 27 now? I think that's old enough to man up and tell them to stop hovering. I get that he blamed himself for Emily getting beaten, it's human nature. No amount of talking is going to stop that, it's just always going to be there. But he didn't offer her any comfort in return. He didn't suggest she should be lying down resting. He didn't ask where her ice pack was. He didn't offer to get her some aspirin. Nothing. That has nothing to do with other people wanting to coddle him. You can both receive comfort and give it, too. I remember how well Emily and Reid got along before he got grabbed. Maybe that's why I never thought she was out of line for showing concern. Like I said, she may not have known him long but she did like what she had seen. She's a caretaker by nature, it's not in her to stand by and watch someone suffer. The rest of the team seemed content to pretty much ignore it but she didn't. That's why she caught the brunt of his anger. The one issue the team saw fit to let him work out on his own was exactly the wrong one to leave him to. As for Hotch being mean to her when she showed up. Was it her fault that she came to the unit the way she did? No. Was she just supposed to ignore her orders to report to the BAU? That would have gone over really well. Hotch is a profiler, he should know better than to make assumptions. Yet that's exactly what he did with her. He knew her mother and assumed she was the same way. That was wrong. The only thing that keeps me from being angry at him too, is that he's offered some sort of contrition. When he went to her appartment to talk her out of quiting he did everything but say the words "I was wrong." That went a long way to me. How were people offended by Emily's liasing comment? JJ thought it was funny. You all really take life way too seriously if innocent little jokes like that upset you. And just for the record, when Hotch talked about working with Brit Chick before, I wondered if something more than work happened. There was something about either the way he said it or the way they interacted (hard to pinpoint exactly which) that did make me wonder before Emily made her little joke.Okay, this ramble was a bit schizophrenic. For that, I apologize. I was responding to several different comments in one and it even confused me a little. BTW-- Does anyone know why my little window here keeps automatically scrolling me back to the top of the message every so often? It's annoying.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/292030.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/292030.page GMT Well, I don't know if annoyed is the same as offended, but I guess I must take life way too seriously, because the liaising comment annoyed me. JJ finding it funny or not makes no difference in my own assessment of things.. But, then, I find it annoying any time something could easily have a completely platonic friendly interpretation and people jump to something non platonic with nothing to base it on. And, personally, I saw nothing to imply that anything went on between them, and I can't see what made Prentiss or JJ make the leap to that. Based on that he said he didn't think badly of her? That she was a blonde like Haley (which would have been the case regardless of how he felt about her)? Based on the fact that she seemed happy to see him - and from my eyes, not any more happy than you'd expect two colleagues who had worked together and gotten along before. Well, actually, Prentiss comment seemed to have come because the Brit asked to speak to Hotch privately. Ooh! I guess I'm just not prone to assuming that two people have had some kind of intimate relations simply because they hold a conversation I'm not privy to. And, until I get confirmation that Hotch had not been married when he was working with the Brit the first time, (which I know I won't) I don't consider jokes and whispers that he might have been with another woman innocent. And, I don't think Hotch's suspicion of Prentiss had to do with thinking she was like her mother. For all some people (including a certain author) seem to want to connect a brief period of animosity from Reid to Elle, I'd say that was more likely to have been the reason for Hotch's suspicion. Not because he was close to Elle (although he was, and not that way), but because of how she left and then someone just popping up. Also probably because he was supposed to approve who got assigned. I think he thought she was a mole or something. Which, technically, he was right that it was what she was supposed to be (why Strauss put her there), but he was wrong that she was a willing one, or was even aware of it. I mean, he was wrong to think it was her doing. And, I also don't think she was just ordered to go to the BAU. I think she was offered. At least in the CM universe (I don't know about the real FBI) they don't seem to order you to posts. Otherwise, Morgan would be gone now, since they wanted him for the Brit's job. Obviously, the agents do have the right to refuse posts. Prentiss wanted to be in the BAU. Clearly she had no idea the real reason she had been picked, and she would have been dumb not to take the offer for the job, when she thought it was all above board. So, I don't fault her at all for taking the job, but I don't think it was a matter of being ordered and having no choice.

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luvthejem wrote: How were people offended by Emily's liasing comment? JJ thought it was funny. You all really take life way too seriously if innocent little jokes like that upset you. And just for the record, when Hotch talked about working with Brit Chick before, I wondered if something more than work happened. There was something about either the way he said it or the way they interacted (hard to pinpoint exactly which) that did make me wonder before Emily made her little joke.

I'm not offended by it, I just think it implied something that wasn't there. Normally, no big deal, but when they are saying that Joyner looks like his ex-wife (which she did) and then someone says that they liaised, then I think that is implying something (I'm bothered by it because from what I saw Hotch and Joyner had a professional relationship, so why imply something else). I'm not taking a shot at Emily, I just think that the writers were trying to be funny and ended up implying something that they probably didn't mean to imply (of course, having to listen to all the shippers doesn't help much).As for being the youngest, the BAU is a little different than an actual family. I know that a lot of them, if not all of them, see Reid as a little brother, but they have a job to do and they can't go around babying him and holding his hand every time things get a little scary. Now you can make the argument that Reid doesn't want to be babied (replying to joleva75 now), and maybe he doesn't, but he has never seemed to be bothered by it. Same thing in Minimal Loss, Prentiss says it isn't his fault, he just sits there and listens. Doesn't say "I'm fine, are you ok?" or anything like that. He just accepts the babying and moves on. As far as I see it, the babying isn't going to stop until he stands up for himself (doesn't have to be rude or anything, just make it clear that he is a grown man that can take care of himself). It is Reid's job to make that clear, and until he does they are just going to keep on babying him.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/293578.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/293578.page GMT But, I don't think it's babying to say it's not his fault. Not unless the same thing can be said about Reid telling JJ the exact same thing in Revelations. I can actually think of multiple times when someone on the team has told someone else that something wasn't their fault. I have no trouble thinking if, for some reason, another character had been there and the situation played out the same way (I'm not sure if it would or how it could have, but just if it did) that they would feel some guilt, and that Prentiss would have told them that it wasn't their fault.I find I often hold a different view of the team vs a single character. I don't feel the team babies Reid, or that they constantly shut him down and damage his self esteem. I find both views extreme. And, considering that I don't think Minimal Loss is an example of babying (maybe he should have asked her if she was okay, although I don't know at what point we came in to that scene. Maybe she had already been looked after physically beforehand. Still they could have shown her being taken care of on screen. But, I don't think it's a given that he was fine), I'd say there are examples of Reid standing up for himself when the team gets somewhat (again, in my view, not anything I would define as babying) over protective. Derailed is one, where Morgan wanted Reid to teach him the magic trick to get help rescue Elle and either Hotch or Gideon (I forget) wanted to call off the whole thing when Reid was having trouble. Reid insisted on being the one to do it, and not fobbing it off on someone else. And, The Tribe, where Morgan seemed a little reluctant to let Reid interview Ingrid (the girl in the cult) by himself, but Reid assured him that he could do it.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/293650.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/293650.page GMT Well, JJ was trying to apologize for something that wasn't her fault, so there wasn't really much else for Reid to say. I get your point, though, telling someone that something isn't their fault isn't babying, but I couldn't think of another example off the top of my head (I'm not putting a ton of thought into my messages today anyway, since I have a bit of a headache). I think the team is a little overprotective of Reid, but only a little. Whether that is seen as babying or not just depends on how people like to phrase things (personal preference). I don't think they constantly shut him down, though. Just because they stop him from rambling when they need to get to the point doesn't mean that they hurt his self-esteem (they can't let him run his mouth all day or else they wouldn't get anything done).You're right, Derailed is a good example of Reid standing up for himself. Didn't think about that episode, but it is a good example. I remember a lot about the Tribe, since it was on A&E a month or two ago, but I don't remember the part you're talking about (I'll take your word for it, though). I just want him to ask someone else if they are ok after something like Revelations or Minimal Loss. I'll cut him some slack for Revelations, since he did tell JJ that it wasn't her fault and he was in much worse physical condition than she was. But I just don't get why Prentiss tells him it isn't his fault, as if he is the one that is in more pain, and he just sits there. If I was in his shoes, I would say "I'm fine, what about you?" I would be worried about my teammates, just like I would worry about a friend if they were injured. I'm not saying that Reid wasn't concerned, but it just would have been nice if he had said something to show his concern (on-camera, off-camera stuff doesn't really help). Ah well, at least no one has died yet (surprising, knowing how many life or death situations were in Mayhem and Minimal Loss).

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294016.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294016.page GMT Well, obviously he wasn't in worse physical condition, but I don't think her comment had to do with anything physical. It's more psychological. Prentiss' conscience is clear. She's got no reason to feel guilt - even misguided guilt. She made a decision that didn't cause anyone harm but herself. I don't think she has any psychological issues of her own as far as the beating went. (which I'm quite pleased with, since I can't imagine they'd make an issue of a male character dealing with physical violence directed at them on the job - and that includes Reid) Guilt is a pretty big psychological issue. Not necessarily more upsetting or less upsetting, because that depends on the individual. I'm not saying poor Reid, he had it so much worse than Prentiss. Not by a long shot. I'm just not convinced that it's a given that Reid was fine. And, Reid did tell her he was sorry, but they were still being held captive at the time.If anything, if I were to rewrite anything, it would not be for Reid to ask if Prentiss was physically okay. Prentiss would have been given whatever first aid immediately after they were on the jet and all that would have taken place long before Prentiss took the time to talk to Reid. I would rather have Prentiss have her own issues with not being able to save Jessie, the daughter of the woman who made the phone call. I could see the scene playing out with Prentiss telling Reid that it wasn't his fault and him reciprocating by being able to tell that she was feeling guilty about what happened to Jessie and telling her that it wasn't her fault. That she did everything possible and got out a bunch of other people. No "I'm fine's" from anyone (I tend not to believe those words when they come out of the mouths of people on this show) but mutual looking after each other.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294128.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294128.page GMT I know what you all mean. But its true Emily was just trying to help what Reid told the lady in charge of the shelter that he might be there. He didn't see the shock in her face that he had scared her to death? I know he was going through a hard time. But he shouldn't been like that to her. And about Hotch. How he could judged Emily the way he did? It really wasn't her fault that Strauss picked her up to be a spy in his team she just saw the offer and got it. And Hotch telling her "not trusthworthy." Well, when in birth and death she "quitted" her job she still wasn't trusthworthy or did she pass the test? That's the part I really liked. When she entered the room with her resignation card. She was prefering to quit her dream than give information. Just because she saw someone she knew and asked a question. He was judjuing her by what she had asked that was wrong of him. I am not saying Emily had the right which she hadn't but for Hotch to come with that conclusion was out of hand.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294188.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294188.page GMT I understand that it was psychological, but I don't necessarily think that they need to act like Reid's psyche is damaged after every intense event that he is involved in. That is probably why people think that he is being "babied." I don't see people going up to Hotch or Morgan or anyone else and saying "It isn't your fault that ..." Why is Reid so much different? As for the "I'm fine's," you are right that they usually are lies on this show, but you can substitute that with whatever works for you (just an example).Hotchfan, I don't think that Hotch knew that Prentiss was told to spy until after she resigned. He didn't trust her because of her high political connections and the fact that she was thrust on him by Strauss (she was the only member on his team that was not handpicked by Hotch or Gideon). Trust is earned, Prentiss earned it and Hotch backed off. I would have handled it the same way if I was in Hotch's shoes.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294214.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294214.page GMT That's what I'm saying. They always rush to reassure Reid but I saw no one reassuring Hotch after he kicked Reid around in the ER. If anyone had a right to have guilt after an event, that was it. Reid didn't offer any kind of comfort beyond telling Hotch that he was okay. And they did make an issue of Reid having physical violence aimed at him, as it was the reason for his drug habit. They have never followed up on the physical trauma of any of the characters other than Reid and Elle. Elle had a bit of a nutter and shot someone. Reid became an addict. Other than that, we have had nothing. Garcia got shot and only needed time to recover physically. She made like two comments to Morgan and that was about it. JJ had one nice little PTSD style flashback in the bathroom and that was it for her trauma. Emily got bashed in the head and we got her looking out a window. Time will tell what will come of the beating but I'm not expecting anything.*pausing to think* I seem to have forgotten my point. So I will go away, until it comes back. where do these stupid random punctuation marks come from? I hate having to edit them out every freaking time.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294616.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294616.page GMT Exactly, there is definitely some kind of double standard there. If Reid gets hurt then everything must stop, but if someone else gets hurt then the show must go on! I do think that Reid reassured Hotch by joking around, though. I think that let Hotch no that there were no hard feelings and that he really was ok.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294936.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/294936.page GMT Why on earth should it matter if they want to baby him or not? If they like babying him and he likes it then it's ok with me and obviously all Reids other numerous fans!! It doesn't make him less able to do his job because he enjoys being fussed over. He is very very good at what he does and all this doesn't change that!Reid has been through more than any other member of the team and he's still there doing his job. He also must have looked after his sick mother till he was 18 too.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/295134.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/295134.page GMT Reid is definitely NOT your typical special agent or cop. I can't imagine that he actually successfully graduated the FBI academy. I don't doubt he could ace the legal aspects, procedures, policies etc. but the physical part? No way! Quantico has a pretty high standard of what their cadets have to be able to do physically and there is no way around. But it's TV and so I'll just accept he's a full fledged FBI agent. I have no doubt that everyone on the team appreciates Reid's contribution. He has earned his position in the team. It's quite an advantage to have such a genius mind working on criminal cases. Everyone on the team understands that geniuses tend to be a bit difficult and are often way out there. A genius isn't really known for his all-around capabilities. Because of his enormous brain power and how he analyzes nearly everything it's hard to relate to a genius and for a genius it's difficult to relate to a normal person (which includes expressing and understanding feelings). I think that's why the team feels the need to coax him from time to time or reassure him. I don't see it as babying him but more as making him a part of the team on every level.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/295290.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/295290.page GMT That's a really good post Narcofc. Would the FBI turn down a genius for profiling?I just think that they have become a family, their own personal lives are unsettled so they have bonded together. They spend more time with each other than anyone else and what they go through they go through it together...just like a family. Reid is their baby and I think they like it that way, they probably need to mother him and he's quite happy to let them.It was almost like Hotch was the father and Gideon the mother. When he was there that is...Rossi isn't very nurturing imo.

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maddy75 wrote: Why on earth should it matter if they want to baby him or not? If they like babying him and he likes it then it's ok with me and obviously all Reids other numerous fans!! It doesn't make him less able to do his job because he enjoys being fussed over. He is very very good at what he does and all this doesn't change that!Reid has been through more than any other member of the team and he's still there doing his job. He also must have looked after his sick mother till he was 18 too.

For Reid fanatics, it is perfectly acceptable. However, not all fans are in love with Reid, and for those of us that aren't it gets annoying to see him being babied/overprotected again and again. I like Reid, but I don't want to hear about him all the time, and I don't think that he needs to be babied over every thing.I don't necessarily think that he has been through more than any other member. First off, we can't really compare because the show has focused more on his past than the other characters, so we have more info on him. However, the others have gone through a lot, too. Hotch has his divorce now, and has implied that he was abused by his father. Morgan lost his father when he was young, and was sexually abused by a man that was supposed to be a father figure. Prentiss had ambassadors as parents, meaning that she would always have to be on her best behavior in public, and a lot of times in private as well. She has also taken some beatings on the show. JJ had the dog mauling, and I think there could be some other storylines that they just haven't gotten to yet with her (like why she has never mentioned her parents). Garcia was shot and almost died. So yeah, Reid has been through a lot, but so has everyone else. Bad things happen to good people, but imagine a world where everyone that had a rough childhood or bad experiences was babied. Everyone would be to busy babying each other to get anything done. He is a grown man, he can take care of himself and he should stand up for himself by letting the team know that. That's my opinion, it has nothing to do with the ability to do his job.

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Narcofc wrote: No way! Quantico has a pretty high standard of what their cadets have to be able to do physically and there is no way around. But it's TV and so I'll just accept he's a full fledged FBI agent.

Yeah, if you have watched Silence of the Lambs, it starts off with Clarice Starling doing some PT as a cadet. I doubt that Reid would be out there doing what they showed on there, and that movie came out back in the early '90s, I think (I would think that the expectations have only gone up since then). Could Reid be someone they would consult without having him be an agent? Kind of like how Garcia is listed as an Audio/Visual Technician, not an agent (though a lot of fans see her as an agent, I don't think that she is technically considered one).

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/296265.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/296265.page GMT I never said he wasn't good at his job. He is. I just want to see him treated like an adult. And I really don't think his life could have been harder than Morgan's. Like Falcon said, Morgan has watched his father die and been sexually abused by a man parading as a replacement father figure before having that same man try to frame him for murder. I would say, that he has had the hardest life. At least until we know something about the others. Though it would be kind of hard to beat that. Hotch would come in second, if he really was abused by his father (we have only strong implication). Of course, Garcia's parents are dead, so she's running up the charts. As for Emily, JJ and Rossi; we don't know enough about them to judge. Falcon- I think in one of the special features on the dvds, they said that to be in the BAU you are required to be a field agent and have at least ten years experience. Then again, as Narcofc pointed out, it is television.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/297626.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/297626.page GMT Falcon - I seriously hope you were not calling me a Reid fanatic then?? As far as I'm aware message boards are for debate as well as like minded discussion. I would defend other characters and the show in the same way as I'm sure a lot of Reid fans would. If you are going to say something negative about a character then you have to expect that someone with a different view is gonna step up to the plate. Does not make us all fanatics.Reid has said several times he's a FBI agent so I'm guessing he scraped through the training, having him struggle around not being able to carry boxes and heavy bags is just stupid and bad acting/writing..I actually think that might be MGG being comical, which he shouldn't do. Women pass the test and I assume Reid is stronger than a female.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298024.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298024.page GMT I'll be addressing several posts here and I've truly enjoyed readinge everyone's comments. This has turned into an interesting thread though I wonder whether we're a bit OT here ...First, regarding Reid's professional status (Falcon's question). Yes, Reid could be a consultant and this would be a more likely scenario in real life. The NCAVC accepts outside applicants (w/o special agent status) for professional support positions (e.g., crime analyst, intelligence research specialist, or violent crime resource specialist). Masters or doctorial degrees as well as a solid foundation in research (in-depth knowledge of research methodology, data collection and analysis) are required.@ Maddy: I don't think anyone has a problem with you "defending" Reid. You're ok anyway, since you're a major Hotch fan as well ... lol. So there are the Reid fans who just love everything about him and then there are some folks who think the whole Reid hype is a bit overkill. I've grown to like Reid but have had times when it gotten a bit too much for me. I don't buy his SSA credentials and cringe everytime I see him with his holstered gun. I think his role on the team has been blown a bit out of proportion but I guess the writers want to satisfy the many (younger) female fans out there. And yes, Maddy, Reid went through the academy, he had to in order to be a special agent. That's the fictional part of the show ... lol.@Luvthejem: I don't think his (Reid's) life has been tougher than some of the other agents either. It's really hard to compare who's had it toughest. How well we handle trauma and stress depends on so many variables: age, family/friend support, mental & physical condition, religious/spiritual background, other hardships we're going through or been through, personal capacity to handle hardships etc. Things affect each person differently. One may falter when another person would just move on. One can't really compare. Personally I think Hotch is mentally very strong and healthy. So is Rossi, though he hasn't had to endure as severe hardship as Hotch had to (at least that's what I've gathered so far). Reid isn't that strong but has developed a great coping mechanism of diving into science (I don't want to go into his drug problem because he gotten out of it and didn't start it himself). Morgan has trust issues and can be a little bit of a hot head, Elle lost it, committed a murder and then lied about it. Gideon didn't handle his hardships very well, especially in the end. I don't think JJ's life has been very rough but nonetheless she's a very stable, mature young lady and she has had Hotch to fall back on when the job got to her. I think the same applies to Prentiss although we don't know that much about her (yet).

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298455.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298455.page GMT LOL..yes I'm a major Hotch fan too, it gets a bit too hot when they are both on screen together haha. I do NOT ship them though, I need to say that. Morgan for me is too perfect, his body doesn't look like a normal mans like Reids and Hotches do (not that we see too much of Hotch with all those loose shirts and suits ).Reid has been through more in the BAU than the others, someone had a list up somewhere and it's quite long! They all have pasts, there is a Reid story coming up where he has something in his past that's horrific. I find the only two who are completly plausable as FBI agents are Hotch and Rossi..and maybe Paget.Not sure if my list has changed, but I'd better try get the thread back on track for the other posters lol. I guess if we want to debate this we should open maybe a Reid thread.1) Hotch/Reid - both hot and they are by far the most interesting characters.2) Emily/Garcia - Love their attitudes3) Morgan/Rossi - Love Morgans relationship with Garcia and find Rossi believable as an agent4) JJ - I don't find her character as interesting as the others but would like to see a bit more of her.

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luvthejem wrote: Falcon- I think in one of the special features on the dvds, they said that to be in the BAU you are required to be a field agent and have at least ten years experience. Then again, as Narcofc pointed out, it is television.

On Wikipedia (I know it isn't always right, but still), she is listed as an FBI Audio/Visual Technician. The others are listed as FBI BAU Supervisory Special Agents. If you look at it like that, then Garcia isn't even considered BAU. I look at that as Garcia helping whichever team needs it, BAU or not, though I know that a lot of fans hate that idea because they don't like imagining Garcia working with anyone else.

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maddy75 wrote: Falcon - I seriously hope you were not calling me a Reid fanatic then??

I was speaking in general, not towards you personally. No offense meant there at all, and I apologize if you took it that way.As for Reid being stronger than women, I'm not so sure. I'm sure there are quite a few women that are stronger than Reid, since he doesn't seem physically strong at all. And I can judge that, because I'm not strong either, and I will admit that their are quite a few girls that are stronger than me. The whole point of Reid is brains, not brawn, so I don't think he spends a ton of time, if any, working out.

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maddy75 wrote: Reid has been through more in the BAU than the others, someone had a list up somewhere and it's quite long! They all have pasts, there is a Reid story coming up where he has something in his past that's horrific. I find the only two who are completly plausable as FBI agents are Hotch and Rossi..and maybe Paget.

That is what frustrates me, though. Reid has gone through the most because the writers focus on him much more than anyone else. It is fine for Reid to go through some things (you probably don't believe me, but I actually like Reid), but I like the other characters as well and would like to see more of them.I think Hotch, Rossi, Prentiss, JJ, and Morgan are all plausible. JJ can shoot a gun, she is very stable and intelligent, and she has some athleticism (soccer takes a lot of endurance). However, they could bring in JJ to mediate without her actually being FBI. Morgan gets a little fired up sometimes, but he has experience in the Chicago PD and ATF, has a law degree from Northwestern, and is also athletic. It is tougher to make an argument for Prentiss, even though she showed her toughness, because we still don't know much about her. I can picture a real-life Reid as a consultant, but a guy like that doesn't really seem like a guy that would want to be running out in the field with a gun.

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Narcofc wrote: (Falcon's question). Yes, Reid could be a consultant and this would be a more likely scenario in real life. The NCAVC accepts outside applicants (w/o special agent status) for professional support positions (e.g., crime analyst, intelligence research specialist, or violent crime resource specialist). Masters or doctorial degrees as well as a solid foundation in research (in-depth knowledge of research methodology, data collection and analysis) are required. I think his role on the team has been blown a bit out of proportion but I guess the writers want to satisfy the many (younger) female fans out there. Things affect each person differently. One may falter when another person would just move on. One can't really compare.

Thank you for the info.I agree with the comment about the younger female fans (and that was mainly who I was referring to with the fanatic comment, young girls who drool over MGG because they think he is hot). Maddy doesn't fall in that category because she actually knows enough about Reid's character to make an intelligent argument. Don't get me wrong, Reid should have a role, but does it really have to be THAT big of a role?You covered my main issue with the comment about Reid having the hardest time. Everyone goes through hardship during life, and everyone handles it differently, so it is extremely difficult to say that someone's life is harder than someone else's.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298931.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/298931.page GMT There's no need to apologise I wasn't offended lol. Just thought that you thought I was a Reid fanatic It wasn't a nice thought to think I was coming over like that because I tend to dig in and 'defend' everything I like.I know a lot of ppl are getting tired of all the Reid screen time. I also think I'm taking it a little too seriously...he's not even real.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299092.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299092.page GMT Nothing wrong with defending what you like, I do the same thing when people talk bad about JJ.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299338.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299338.page GMT Yeah Falcon we all know how you are with defending JJ, almost as bad as luvjem defending Emily! LOL! Nothing wrong with defending our faves to the death, we all are guilty of it. I personally can defend just about everyone except Strauss and Hailey, I'm particularly protective of Morgan, Garcia, and Reid....

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299479.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299479.page GMT 1) Tie for Morgan and Garcia2) JJ3) Tie Reid and Hotch4) Prentis5) Rossi

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299507.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299507.page GMT Keywords: "almost as bad." LOL!

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falcon-121 wrote: Keywords: "almost as bad." LOL!

ROFLmAO! True! She can be vicious...I remember it took a millisecond for her to respond after you started that I HATE EMILY PRENTISS thread a while back!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299755.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/299755.page GMT B.S., it took her like twenty minutes! Then she used the excuse of her computer not working! LOL, once again, all in good fun!

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/300464.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/300464.page GMT No, we all defend our faves! I just think that if you are going to make an argument for your fave, then have it be an educated argument (something besides "<insert character name here> is soooo hot!") I can't stand that! However, you know a lot about Reid and have defended him very well, so there is no problem there at all!

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luvthejem wrote: That's what I'm saying. They always rush to reassure Reid but I saw no one reassuring Hotch after he kicked Reid around in the ER. If anyone had a right to have guilt after an event, that was it. Reid didn't offer any kind of comfort beyond telling Hotch that he was okay.

I don't know, it seems like the expectation for what Reid should have done is kind of skewed. Telling Hotch he was okay was exactly the reassurance Hotch needed. Hotch was worried that he hurt Reid. Reid told him he was okay and that he wasn't in any danger of hurting him anyway (You kick like a nine year old girl). He also let him know that he wasn't affected by the nasty words Hotch said, because he knew it was all part of a plan early on. I'm not sure what wasn't comforting about that, or how that was any less comforting than what Prentiss told Reid in Minimal Loss. The situations were different, so the type of comfort had to be different, but as far as amounts, I'd say they were evenly balanced. I'm not sure why one is so much greater than the other. Exactly what was Reid supposed to tell Hotch that would have been the acceptable level of comfort? Reid also told Hotch that he didn't antagonize the situation in Damaged (which Hotch totally did, so that was a pretty big reassurance). And, in both cases (LDSK and Minimal Loss) the balance was also even in the fact that only the two people involved did any reassuring/receiving reassurance. Aside from Revelations, I'd say the comfort and reassurance has been pretty widespread to all of them. I just don't see this imbalance of comfort or everyone rushing to reassure Reid.

And they did make an issue of Reid having physical violence aimed at him, as it was the reason for his drug habit.

Well, first, Reid became a drug addict because he was injected with an addictive drug, multiple times. Not because he was whacked on the foot and violently shaken. And, the psychological trauma was what I saw as what gave Reid ptsd (the drug habit was a chemical reaction, I think ptsd is more in line with what they made an issue of). Not the physical stuff. Reid didn't show any psychological trauma (any of them would have been bloodied from the physical stuff) until he was told to choose someone on the monitor to die. More specifically, watching someone who he didn't name get murdered. He only zoned out after that. I don't count losing consciousness and needing CPR. That's not making an issue of things, that's some semblance of realism -like Prentiss' bruises and Hotch's ear trauma. If Reid's addiction was related to the physical violence, they could have skipped the injections, the flashbacks, the scene of Reid watching an innocent person murdered. They could have just shown Tobias (I never know if I should call him that when it's a situation where he was a different personality) using only physical violence, and then brought up that he was given pain medication at the hospital later and became addicted that way.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/302267.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/18497/302267.page GMT [quote=bessie_maeI don't know, it seems like the expectation for what Reid should have done is kind of skewed. Telling Hotch he was okay was exactly the reassurance Hotch needed. Hotch was worried that he hurt Reid. Reid told him he was okay and that he wasn't in any danger of hurting him anyway (You kick like a nine year old girl).

falcon-121 wrote: Yeah, I agree with that, but I've always thought that Reid handled that particular situation well. It is the way that he has handled some other situations that I've found rather annoying.

bessie_mae wrote:

falcon-121 wrote: Y - ah, I agree with that, but I've always thought that Reid handled that particular situation well. It is the way that he has handled some other situations that I've found rather annoying.

Well, I could name one for myself - I mean one time where he handled a situation badly. Elephant's Memory. Where his behavior resulted (rightly) in Morgan telling him to check himself, Hotch reprimanding him twice (and telling him that a repeat performance would get him fired) and JJ telling the sheriff that Reid was out of line. The most comfort (and I'm not sure if that's even an accurate term) was Morgan saying that Reid wasn't the only one to know what it was like to be bullied and listening to why Reid was bothered enough to act like he did - but not to excuse it. I'd say Hotch's conversations with JJ in Birthright fell in a similar vein. But, Reid isn't the only one who makes bad calls, and he does get called on his actions, as the others do. And, the other team members do make efforts to comfort, reassure, and prop up each other as well as Reid.

maddy75 wrote: Favourite characters thread seems to have turned into a pull Reid apart thread lol. All the characters have faults, I could keep on defending Reids till I'm blue but ppl are so fixed it's not getting me anywhere. Reids abilities way outnumber his mistakes and faults, they rely on him heavily so when he makes a mistake it's harder.They would not have gotten through most cases without him or at least gotten to the conclusion as quickly without him (hense saving lives).. mistakes or not.

maddy75 wrote: I never said the whole team wasn't important but it's not the whole team being singled out one by one, this conversation is centered on Reid. He's getting a tough time and I'm giving his pro's because ppl are bringing up all the bad things about his character and every character has bad traits. I'm way outnumbered though and I think I've said as much as I can in here to defend him, if I keep going I'm just gonna go round in circles.All the characters are important in their own way and deserve the same amount of screen time, but sometimes when the show perceives a character to be more popular they give him a bit more time...because it's good business.

maddy75 wrote: I never said the whole team wasn't important but it's not the whole team being singled out one by one, this conversation is centered on Reid. He's getting a tough time and I'm giving his pro's because ppl are bringing up all the bad things about his character and every character has bad traits. I'm way outnumbered though and I think I've said as much as I can in here to defend him, if I keep going I'm just gonna go round in circles.All the characters are important in their own way and deserve the same amount of screen time, but sometimes when the show perceives a character to be more popular they give him a bit more time...because it's good business.

Reids biggest flaws that I can see are his lack of believability as an FBI agent (he looks more like an independant consultant) and that was either a miscast or if they really really wanted Gubler (and I can see why they would) they didn't prepare him properly.

Neither one of you seem to understand my beef with this

I never said people can't have a problem with it

Bessie_Mae, there is no way Reid has made it through the FBI academy.

On a side not, Bessie, what do you think about Patrcik Jane and the Mentalist.

falcon-121 wrote: Anyway, CM does cover quite a bit of issues while taking down serial killers, so it isn't surprising that some conversations on the boards have to do more with personal views/philosophies than the show itself. After all, there is only so much that can be said about the characters and episodes, no matter how great they are, and then you have to find something else to discuss.

maddy75 wrote: Reids biggest flaws that I can see are his lack of believability as an FBI agent (he looks more like an independant consultant) and that was either a miscast or if they really really wanted Gubler (and I can see why they would) they didn't prepare him properly. The character himself is fine but Gubler should have been bulked up at least so he LOOKED like he could have run down a criminal and caught him without them actually killing him in the process. Gubler needs to stop with the puppy dog eyes too, he's doing it with everyone, male or female! He's an FBI agent not a 3yr old trying to coax candy out of a grown up. They also need to stop that babying and how can Reid struggle to carry one bag (someones watching and the NY eppy S1) yet easily carry a large suitcase and bag plus his satchel in the episode where Elle went nuts? As much as I love MGG (and I really do) the later points are mostly his mistakes.

And also to the person who asked why JJ isnt everyones favourite. I bleieve she has just been put on the show as eye candy. she has no real purpose but to be on TV, which any of the others could do. She doesnt talk with the unsubs, she rarely goes into dangerous situations. Mayb half the problem is that she hasnt had a episode devoted to her as much as the others (but NZ is way behind in episodes so may not have seen it yet).

falcon-121 wrote: If he was a consultant, then he would probably would not be on every episode, and he definitely wouldn't get all the screen time (in general) that he does, whether the fans like him or not.

carolagerard wrote: to reidbeca if JJ is a eye candy.. what´s morgan ? ( sorry morgan's lovers)

falcon-121 wrote: Yes, she would definitely have to have a Communications degree to be working media relations. If it is required for a sports broadcasting job (and it is, trust me), then it would definitely be required for JJ's job.Collins wrote in his book that JJ had a Journalism degree. Of course, he wrongly said that she went to Georgetown, so you'll have to decide for yourself whether to take that as credible information or not.

falcon-121 wrote: I agree. I wanted to be careful about using him as a source, though, since I know how some people feel about his books.

@ Maddy: Sorry, I think I put you on the spot ... Don't feel like you gotta somehow justify Reid's credentials to yourself. It's my own little thing and I gotta remind myself it's just TV. Just things like in LDSK where Reid couldn't hit the target if it hit him in the face made me double-crinch. We don't graduate cadets who fail their shooting practice. Sorry, just not happening. But I guess that falls under creative freedom and then I gotta remember the producers and writers aren't cops either. Don't make my beef your beef I'll just scream in a pillow once in a while and then continue enjoying watching the show ... LOL

luvthejem wrote: I've not actually read one of his books, I just got hostile because he called Emily a politically ambitious ladder climber. That is as far from accurate as you can get. Though, if the man could make sense of Hotch's history, I may be willing rethink my opinion of him. *snicker*

hnybunchz wrote: And can someone tell me what does fanfic and fandom mean?

bessie_mae wrote: I think it's the most hilarious that he describes Hotch' s outfits in detail. Garcia's outfits, I could see describing them, but I had no idea anyone could get so much mileage out of "suit and tie". It's almost admirable, his attention to detail (or scary, take your pick). One day, I expect him to snap and not only tell us the color of Hotch's suit and tie (and tie pattern) but to tell us the fabric, the cut of the suit, the color zipper of the pants, and what part of the world the animals who leather went into making his shoes. (joke)

falcon-121 wrote: JEm, I don't think that Emily had been on the show long when he wrote that. I think he was trying to paint a picture that she had big-time political connections from her parents, and probably didn't know yet whether she was or was not a ladder climber. Could he have done it better, sure, but the books are still pretty good if you like a short read (which I do, since longer books don't usually hold my attention). The third one is actually coming out on Election Day, can't wait (and I can't wait because I'm tired of hearing about the politicians and can't wait for the election to end). I don't know how much Collins verifies his facts with the producers. One of the bigger mistakes that I caught was him saying that JJ went to Georgetown, even though the show has said that she went to Pitt. I tend to ignore those kind of mistakes because I enjoy the book, but I know that it bothers some other readers so I have to be careful about what I use from his books.

hnybunchz wrote: Yeah, my taste isn't so much for the romantic angle, I'm more of a blood and guts girl, a little violence goes a long way with me...lol, but a little sex might be alright, not the long term love interest, well unless it becomes obsessive. LOL. I'll have to check some out. Can you tell me where I can read some online? thanx.

falcon-121 wrote: I'm so mad at my email right now! It stopped sending me notifications, and now I'm waaay behind! In other words, I feel your pain sweetbleu. This is going to take a while to read...

maddy75 wrote: .bessie mae's name was constantly on the front page and I thought she was posting a lot till I opened it I think it just liked her name.

luvthejem wrote: This board is in need of serious help. I came by here and it read that no one had posted anything new since the 28th. After I logged in, to change my icon since no one had posted, it updated and showed newer posts. I don't understand all the malfunctions. Have you designer people never heard of beta testing? That's where you work out the kinks. When the people testing it say it sucks, you then fix it. It's not a difficult concept. And now, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, I LOVE EMILY. There. Favourite character talked about. *VBG*

Same thing happened when I came on...all of a sudden it started showing me new posts. This site has been having issues on and off since the summer Wait you love Emily?! I never would have thought that...

luvthejem wrote: This board is in need of serious help. I came by here and it read that no one had posted anything new since the 28th. After I logged in, to change my icon since no one had posted, it updated and showed newer posts. I don't understand all the malfunctions. Have you designer people never heard of beta testing? That's where you work out the kinks. When the people testing it say it sucks, you then fix it. It's not a difficult concept. And now, in keeping with the spirit of the thread, I LOVE EMILY. There. Favourite character talked about. *VBG*

sweetbleu88 Wait you love Emily?! I never would have thought that...[/color wrote:

falcon-121 wrote: Hmm, subtle hints. Was that what the gushing over Paget was supposed to be? LOL, I never made the connection.

falcon-121 wrote: Shock me JEm? You went much farther than that! I actually came about an inch away from having a heart attack when I found out! LOL! Really, you should give some better hints next time before dropping the bomb on us! LOL!

maddy75 wrote: PrentissDid you click the html off?

luvthejem wrote: maddy-- I feel your embarassment. Hnybunchz, falcon and I are among the fans to "get to know." How do they know I want people poking around my profile? Though, I was glad to see that Emily was in your top five. YAY!

sweetbleu88 wrote: I always find it interesting the groups of people that we all like. For example most of the time if someone likes Reid...Garcia and Morgan are sure to follow. And if someone likes JJ than they also like Emily and Hotch just as much. I know for me its the first....the R/G/M combo. Did anyone else pick up on that?

sweetbleu88 wrote: I must be having a Jessica Simpson moment it took me a sec to catch up with what you guys were saying. I don't know how I managed to escape....I'm sneaky that way. Affirmative Action for the bleu people maybe!LOL! *sigh* I guess I'm not as special as you guys....maybe I'll be the victim next time. Seriously it could be because I don't have an avatar.OK definite pattern forming here. Our theory is proven to be true so far! we can further 'profile' the situation by maybe tying in personality types with the groups of characters! LOL!

kaylavamplvr wrote: 1. Morgan (If anyone has to ask why he's number one, they need to be backfisted across the face--he is purely candy for the eyes.)2. Garcia (She reminds me of Abby, my favorite character on NCIS.)3. Reid (He techno-geek-speak cracks me up.)4. JJ (Um...I really don't have a reason for this one.)5. Emily (Um...same here.)6. Hotch (I wish to punch him. He annoys me.)7. Rossi (Um...same here.)

falcon-121 wrote: Well, they did burn down D.C. not too long after, but I say let bygones be bygones.

cmfan95 wrote: Wow! This is hard since there are three of them who are a tie1.) JJ2.) Morgan3.) Garcia4.) Reid5.) Prentiss6.) Hotch7.) Rossi

Me too, Me too, I wanna hate too!!! But all the good hates are taken, so i'm gonna hold off and wait for a new hate to arrive, perhaps with "the secret" i'll get my chance....

sweetbleu88 wrote: Welcome to the Boards! I second that about the glasses. They took the nerd thing tooo far with those hideous glasses, they could have at least gotten him a decent frame *sigh*

bessie_mae wrote:

sweetbleu88 wrote: [c - lor=blue] Welcome to the Boards! I second that about the glasses. They took the nerd thing tooo far with those hideous glasses, they could have at least gotten him a decent frame *sigh*[/color]

Might want to send a word to MGG himself. Those glasses he wore were his own real glasses.

falcon-121 wrote: Drat! Well, I hpe that by the end you will be willing to call her "that Todd woman." I think that is the perfect way to refer to her. She isn't ready for JJ's job. I could be wrong, but I can see it. Did anyone notice how she looked shell-shocked when Prentiss said that she better be ready? If she proves me wrong, then I will have to stick a sock in my mouth, but I think she is going to screw up. I want it to be a big-time screw up, but since screw ups affect the team I don't want it to be too big. Of course, if it brings JJ back a week or two earlier, then I'm on board. LOL, not saying that that last statement would surprise anyone.

fiddler55 wrote: Hotch. He's one complext human being.

fiddler55 wrote: It's brother.

Humroot wrote: sweetbleu--I LOVE your theory! You SO get an award in my book Also, *cue the music* LMAO! You Rock! Good stuff. Good observations on the Rossi stuff too. It's true, he doesn't quite fit in, yet; he completely works as part of the team.

bessie_mae wrote: Wireimage.com has photos of the cast at the event they attended last night. Again, take out spaces in the address here and paste it in the web bar to go to the site (sorry, don't know any other way to get links to work here):www.wireimage.com/ SearchResults.aspx?igi=343278& s=crimina - %20minds&sfld=C&vwmd=e You have to be registered to get bigger pictures, but the thumbnails are pretty detailed.AJ got a haircut. And, forgive a slight moment of shallowness. TG is in reading glasses. I love glasses on a man. Ugh, now it looks like the board is deleting letters from the web address, which may make it impossible to cut and paste Okay, go to wireimage.com and then in the search bar put in Criminal Minds. It should go to a picture of KV and one of SM. Click on the words under Morgan's picture. It should say something about Paley Center under his photo. That should take you to all the pictures.

falcon-121 wrote: . Besides, isn't MGG from Cali?

Violet_Touch wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention Kevin Lynch earlier.. he ranks 3 with and next to Garcia since they're so sweet together. I love their cuteness.

sweetbleu88 wrote: Welcome spencereid! Hey I noticed your avie are you seeing the movie?

maddy75 wrote: Welcome spencereid xxJEm...maybe they want us to feel loved lol.

BrityChicky wrote: I am a Reid fan. I can tell that you are.

sweetbleu88 wrote: Congrats Falcon you got new recruits! Britychicky I love that avie too! Someone asked for reid fans? *raising hand frantically*

luvthejem wrote: maddy-- I feel loved enough. LOL! Seriously, isn't there anyone else they can use? We've done our time.csigirl2121-- Welcome to the boards! Nice list! The only thing I may like better than you having Emily so high on your list is your open dislike of the Crawfish. YAY!! falcon-- Awww, the alerts may be going wrong just in time for Christmas. What a lovely gift that I know you'll appreciate.britychicky-- OMG!! I am not even kidding when I tell you that I just made an icon exactly like the one you have now. It's kind of disturbing to think someone else is on my wavelength. Or perhaps it's you who should be disturbed. LOL!

falcon-121 wrote: The darkside has sling-shots now, hum? A little old-fashioned, but a nice improvement! I like it!I know, britychicky, I wish they wouldn't limit the amount of icons we can have. Nothing annoying about the question at all, spencereid. I don't watch it. You'll figure out that we have a lot of random convos on these boards (especially me, JEm, hum, and sweet, though the latter may deny it). Glad you are enjoying the experience. I'm rather partial to this board, the users here are very fun to talk to and there isn't any moderators trying to tell us exactly what to talk about. From what I understand, not all the boards are quite this friendly, but I'm very happy with this board and use it all the time (as you've probably noticed).

falcon-121 wrote: Some people make their own. I just go on google images and look up what I want. I think some people have made some CM ones and made them available for anyone to use, but I don't know what website you would use to get them. Is there something in particular that you are looking for?

sweetbleu88 wrote: if I'm not mistken she is a hotch fan, but despises Rossi!

bessie_mae wrote:

sweetbleu88 wrote: [c - lor=blue] if I'm not mistken she is a hotch fan, but despises Rossi![/color]

You know me so well.

Humroot wrote: Hi Bessie_mae, long time no see... are you avoiding me again? i swear i've got breath mints...

sweetbleu88 wrote: Oh Hum you are too much sometimes! And the french...I have no idea what you are talking about! Sorry spencereid, you have the slight disadvantage of being new to this crazy gang of people. It was a joke, Humroot and LuvJEm are both big fans of Emily and whenever they get the chance they gush about her, and pretty much try to convert everyone to their Emily worshipping ways! So I just called them the Emily sisters. Don't worry you'll get used to this crazy bunch, we have a bad habit of taking over threads and teasing each other. Don't let us scare you away, join in we can always use more craziness! For the record Falcon comes on a lot, he is a big JJ fan so he pretty much always talks about her and random stuff like hockey. Bessie Mae has a lot of insight, her posts are long but always interesting to read, and if I'm not mistken she is a hotch fan, but despises Rossi. I'm a big Reid, Morgan and Garcia fan and I tend to always talk about them, when I'm not being overly sarcastic. So please join in the fun and continue to let us know when you've gotten confused following the conversation, because the way these people go at it, we all get confused at some point or another! LOL!

sweetbleu88 wrote: welcome to the boards Ep!

Kales55 wrote: i feel the love!!!!!!

falcon-121 wrote: Doess JJ make the list, Ep_yeahh?

spencereid wrote: lol i like vampires

sweetbleu88 wrote: Yes falc acquired taste. Funny phrase to use when talking about blood suckers! LOL! Nope it didn't work out. Apparently sci fi will show repeats at least once in Jan.LuvJem yes the battle cry....can't really do one of those. But the pinch was just tooo awesome! spencereid yes we know how much you like the vamps! LOL!Kales don't encourage him, he loves an audience *giggles*

spencereid wrote: lol does any one here watch house? im taking a survey, so i need 2 know

Humroot wrote: LOL look out Sweets, that one's got fangs!EP--HI welcome, Emily is my favorite too...

spencereid wrote: yay! that makes 2! thats the same with me......but i like supernatural more!lol my fave house md character is dr. robert chase!!!! i have a thing for australians!

I love House! Everyone else must fight for my love. Who doesn't have a thing for australians...have you seen the ones on tv and in movies?! Oh I see Falc, you'll cut me a break if I say my fave is JJ....Yes you are very manly....beyond words , especially considering the estrogen pool you're in

spencereid wrote: lol does any one here watch house? im taking a survey, so i need 2 know

xzonia wrote: I guess I better avoid this board, lest I become designated an "ultimate fan". Just when I was having so much fun too! Oops! Should not have posted this thought.

falcon-121 wrote: Yes, Buffy did support your theory, but why did JJ have to be so low? Now I'm sad. LOL!

xzonia wrote: Matthew Gray Gubler, who plays Reid (as if you didn't know spencereid) has a myspace page, and he just added me as one of his myspace friends. I think he'll add any friend of the show, and his blogs are very funny! Check him out at:myspace.com/matthewgraygub ler

xzonia wrote: OMG! Lizzie put Rossi in the #1 spot! Has Bessie seen this list yet? <eek!> ROFL Well, it's Rossi / Emily, so you'll get lots of support from the Em #1 lovers here!

Really, Lizzie, it's okay whoever you like. We all love all the characters on CM (except Bessie has an aversion to Rossi for some reason - don't ask, don't tell!). LOL

Humroot wrote: Buffyfan- i'm inclined to like you because you like buffy, even if Reid seems to be your favorite... really that was a compliment, even if it didn't feel like one... Good night Xzonia. "Goodnight room. Goodnight moon. Goodnight cow jumping over the moon. Goodnight light, and the red balloon..." (from "good night moon" by Margaret Brown) I miss bedtime stories... nogstalgic now...

bessie_mae wrote: Oh, I accept that there are some people who love Rossi. It's like people loving math or Adam Sandler movies or broccoli. Don't understand these loves, but I accept that they exist for some people. The great mysteries of life.

falcon-121 wrote: What the heck is Hotch doing a press conference for? We can't give JJ press conferences when she's around, but we can give Hotch one? I like Hotch and all, but BS!

luvthejem wrote: . bessie-- Oh! Thank God! Another person on my side of the Adam Sandler debate. Tell me you despise Jim Carrey movies and I may have to move you up several places on my favourite people in the world list.

bessie_mae wrote: Where would Elle have fit in?

xzonia wrote: Welcome cmindsfan! Oh, just admit it - you just want Morgan perpetually available for your fantasy life.

xzonia wrote: Thank you spencereid! Your Reid love shines! Hum, yeah, I love Carolyn!! I can't get enough of her - LOL!! After Sweets first embarrassing break-up, I think it's hilarious he picked a gal like Daisy to date! Guess he wanted to pick someone who wouldn't break his heart again. Co-dependent much Dr Sweets? I LOVE Clark's reactions to their personal talk - ROFL!!! I also never get enough of him. Oh bleu (changing from sweet to avoid confusion with Doc Sweets in this discussion, heehee), we should convert them the Patrick Jane way!!Ahem, everyone who does not currently adore The Mentalist, please raise both hands. Listen to the sound of my voice, only the sound of my voice... you love the Mentalist; you love Simon Baker and Robin Tunney; you can't wait to watch another episode of The Mentalist. Now, whoever is willing to give The Mentalist a second chance, drop your hands! what is the mentalist about? it sounds like a rip-off of physc if it is what i think it is........which wouold be a man who everyone believes is physic and uses his smarts/abilty to notice things that other people dont to solve muder cases. i challenge ALL of you to change my mind about the mentalist! good luck!(See, this also prevents them from typing anything against The Mentalist - doubly effective!)

luvthejem wrote: sweet-- Are you okay? There has been a spike in the number of Christmas tree attacks, this year. So beware when you go to get a replacement. Apparently they've had enough of the hideous "family heirloom" ornaments and they've decided to fight back. Anyway, back to your evil strategery. It won't work on me, well, okay. Maybe if you put chocolate chips in the brownies but not for long.

I'm just fine. Ohhh chocolate chips...lemme go get some of those...spencereid- yes watch it. Watch it asap. That was all part of our plan and you fell right into it like putty in our hands.Falc- "You People" ROFLMAO!! Dude you beat me to it!Hum-ROFL! All out of kudos eh? Come on Hum you know those brownies are scruptious! Oh no put down the fire hum! I repeat put down the fire! Hey guys? I thought she was supposed to stay away from it? I'm good Hum I swear I am! ROFLMAO!! Whistle away....in the mean time I think I should hide...you already expressed being hungry

Humroot wrote: I wanted to like Fringe more than i do, i still try to watch it, the character Walter is awesome, but i wanted the main female to have a at least a slight personality. She's made some progress, i think the botox wore off, she has about 4 facial expressions now. lol.