ncisislove wrote: I like the idea of Gibbs/Ziva too.I have to tell you that I'm a hardcore Gibbs/Kate shipper,but like Ziva and Gibbs-very much.KIBBS is attraction by the differences and ZIBBS by similarities, Ziva and Gibbs are "pairs": both are soldiers, are strong and skilled, both have in within the altruism that bring this type of people, (warriors) to sacrifice themselves for the others wellbeing. Both have lost family and have a pretty similar concept about life... YES, they definitely match!This Ziva/Gibbs fic is very good. "Desperate Measures" by Rainne

nikkiroxon wrote: I think Gibbs is too old for Ziva... and he just lost Jenny... Gibbs and the Army lady were doing pretty well together... both tough asses and worked for two seperate entities. That's the kind of woman for him... a little older, tough & strong. Gibbs & Ziva work to closely together... besides Tony & Ziva have chemistry!!!

MaryRowen wrote: Hi!My name is Maria.I'm so happy I found this thread!I've been a Gibbs/Ziva shipper since the beginning! Maria

nikkiroxon wrote: I think Gibbs is too old for Ziva... and he just lost Jenny... Gibbs and the Army lady were doing pretty well together... both tough asses and worked for two seperate entities. That's the kind of woman for him... a little older, tough & strong. Gibbs & Ziva work to closely together... besides Tony & Ziva have chemistry!!!

dani_ncis wrote: In generaly,to deny a relationship because of the age is unfair-if there is a chemistry,the age is out of the question.Slaveathome and Nikkiroxon,since you talk about a lack of sexual tension between them, interesting thing for me is that IF there is not a chemistry, HOW Ziva knows Gibbs' six-pack is better than Tony's?! For the record-I know that could not be mean "chemestry",but to know that,Ziva has to look at Gibbs's six-pack-it's very interesting fact.

night20 wrote: EEEWWWW!!! I could never even BEGIN to imgine the idea of Gibbs and Ziva together, involved, intimate, or whatever!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!! AND...it's VERY obvious that she has a thing for Tony, and he likes her back too!! They are just made to be together!! I can't ait until it actually happens!! <3

Dadskid1 wrote: Please, no! NCIS has a great ensemble cast and the chemistry between them all is what makes the show enjoyable. If 2 of the characters - especially Gibbs- get involved romantically, the progression is predictable . The allure will wear off as they will begin having sex together (it's not romantic unless he proposes and they get married first) and then they will break up for some reason and that will destroy the chemistry between the cast.

night20 wrote: EEEWWWW!!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!!

dani_ncis wrote:

nikkiroxon wrote: I think Gibbs is too old for Ziva... and he just lost Jenny... Gibbs and the Army lady were doing pretty well together... both tough asses and worked for two seperate entities. That's the kind of woman for him... a little older, tough & strong. Gibbs & Ziva work to closely together... besides Tony & Ziva have chemistry!!!

In generaly,to deny a relationship because of the age is unfair-if there is a chemistry,the age is out of the question.Slaveathome and Nikkiroxon,since you talk about a lack of sexual tension between them, interesting thing for me is that IF there is not a chemistry, HOW Ziva knows Gibbs' six-pack is better than Tony's?! For the record-I know that could not be mean "chemestry",but to know that,Ziva has to look at Gibbs's six-pack-it's very interesting fact.

nikkiroxon wrote: I Agree Gibbs & Ziva work to closely together...AND Tony & Ziva have chemistry!!!

dani_ncis wrote:

nikkiroxon wrote: - I Agree Gibbs & Ziva work to closely together...AND Tony & Ziva have chemistry!!!

So,if a woman notice the man's six-pack ,that doesn't mean chemestry?I can't agree with that-if a woman notice that kind of stuff,that means she finds that man atractive.

iluvtimmy wrote: Sorry, guys. I have to agree that Gibbs will always be (and should always remain) a father figure to Ziva. I just get the creeps when I picture Jethro with Abby or Ziva As a true Jibbs fan, I just won't let go of that. I can't... if they can find someone with Jenny's passion /ability to read Jethro like a book , then I am open minded enough to consider a change. Don't think that lady exists yet!

ncissteve wrote: maybe i am bias because i find the toney character so interesting he has more sides then a rubiks cube. sorry i just dont see it. how am doing.

iluvtimmy wrote: As a true Jibbs fan, I just won't let go of that. I can't... if they can find someone with Jenny's passion /ability to read Jethro like a book , then I am open minded enough to consider a change. Don't think that lady exists yet!

ncis4eva wrote: Its not like an OBVIOUS attraction. Ever since Ziva killed her own brother to save Gibbs, I just see a connection between them.And thanks! I have been part of this forum for a while, but never really posted anything hha

iluvtimmy wrote: Sorry, guys. I have to agree that Gibbs will always be (and should always remain) a father figure to Ziva. I just get the creeps when I picture Jethro with Abby or Ziva As a true Jibbs fan, I just won't let go of that. I can't... if they can find someone with Jenny's passion /ability to read Jethro like a book , then I am open minded enough to consider a change. Don't think that lady exists yet!

ncisislove wrote:

iluvtimmy wrote: As a true Jibbs fan, I just won't let go of that. I can't... if they can find someone with Jenny's passion /ability to read Jethro like a book , then I am open minded enough to consider a change. Don't think that lady exists yet!

Kate is the right example. Gibbs was willing to renew the relationship at the beginning of S3, but Jen shot him down.Jen said in 'Jeopardy' that Gibbs sees her like a wife-an she meant it not in the pleasant way.In 'Lost and Found' their conversation at her home is very telling. Gibbs is not interested. When he tells her that she made her choice it sounds very final to me. I don't think he is a man that forgives easily.Gibbs don't trust people,who hurted him-no matter how he cared for them,and trust is the key for Gibbs in one relationship.Gibbs still cared for her ,but he wasn't in - love with Jen anymore.Lake someone here stated ,Gibbs and Ziva relationship is a hidden-mostly because they don't show their emotions.They are alike at many points.

ncissteve wrote: maybe i am bias because i find the toney character so interesting he has more sides then a rubiks cube. sorry i just dont see it. how am doing.

Nina1976 wrote:

ncis4eva wrote: Its not like an OBVIOUS attraction. Ever since Ziva killed her own brother to save Gibbs, I just see a connection between them.And thanks! I have been part of this forum for a while, but never really posted anything hha

You're welcome I've been a lurker for a long time too It's not an obvious attraction, most of the time , but there's definitely a connection between them, a mutual understanding...that I enjoy to watch.

Dadskid1 wrote: Please, no! NCIS has a great ensemble cast and the chemistry between them all is what makes the show enjoyable. If 2 of the characters - especially Gibbs- get involved romantically, the progression is predictable . The allure will wear off as they will begin having sex together (it's not romantic unless he proposes and they get married first) and then they will break up for some reason and that will destroy the chemistry between the cast.

lily50sally wrote: I totally agree Dadskid1, besides NCIS is not a Romantic show it is an Action Drama show. It is fine to intersperse alittle romance but I for one do not want it to be the mainstay of the show. Thank you Dadskid1.

iluvtimmy wrote: Your're right: everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i just don't agree that Jen's time in Paris was her "only shot". Jethro gave her an offer in Kill Ari I. She gave him one the night she was watching Carson. I think Jethro turned her down for one reason: she still wasn't willing to put him before the job. As far as her ability to "read" Gibbs, think back to shared dinners, discussions in MTAC, elevator and office scenes. When you can "anticipate" someone that well, I think it was more than just about sharing a "job". (Example, Tony's worked with him for how many yearrs and he still has trouble with his "Gibbs speak" at times ) Did Jethro still trust her? Yeah. he did. Was he wary when she was out of control? Yeah, he was. Was he still hurt by her leaving, Yeah, he was. Can he carry a grudge? Obviously. My opinion was that there was more to it than. Just an opinion, nothing more

iluvtimmy wrote: Your're right: everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i just don't agree that Jen's time in Paris was her "only shot". Jethro gave her an offer in Kill Ari I. She gave him one the night she was watching Carson. I think Jethro turned her down for one reason: she still wasn't willing to put him before the job. As far as her ability to "read" Gibbs, think back to shared dinners, discussions in MTAC, elevator and office scenes. When you can "anticipate" someone that well, I think it was more than just about sharing a "job". (Example, Tony's worked with him for how many yearrs and he still has trouble with his "Gibbs speak" at times ) Did Jethro still trust her? Yeah. he did. Was he wary when she was out of control? Yeah, he was. Was he still hurt by her leaving, Yeah, he was. Can he carry a grudge? Obviously. My opinion was that there was more to it than. Just an opinion, nothing more

coteziva wrote: I think Gibbs is a father figure to Ziva, someone who always has her back, someone who is honest with her, and someone she respects.

Besides, i like Ziva for Tony.

nikkiroxon wrote: GIBBS IS ABSOLUTELY A FATHER FIGURE TO ABBS! SOOO.... EWWW TO THEM BEING TOGETHER - AND MAYBE FATHER FIGURE IS THE WRONG PHRASE BUT I FEEL ABBS LOOKS @ GIBBS AS A FATHER FIGURE

dani_ncis wrote:

iluvtimmy wrote: My opinion was that there was more to it than. Just an opinion, nothing more

Dear iluvtimmy,This is a forum.Yes,you have the right to voice your opinion,and i'm deeply sorry if you saw something offended in my post-i didn't have that in mind.However,like you have a right to voice your opinion,we have right not to agree with it-this is what the forums are,right?The example in my post is a fact from the show-I didn't post my opposite opinion to say "you are totally wrong"-I posted it,because I think you miss this particular fact,which was on the show -I didn't say something,which is not true,only to pointed out how you are wrong-I posted it,because that example refute--of cource,from my POV-some of the things you said.If you don't agree with me,then tell me,show me examples from the show,but please,don't think I posted it only to contradict to you-that was never my intention.

dani_ncis wrote:

night20 wrote: EEEWWWW - !! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!!

I said it once and I'll say it again- to deny a relationship because of the age is unfair -in the real life I know a man,who married a woman,15 years older than him-that is one of the happiest couples I know.

MaryRowen wrote: I agree with dani_nics, I was about to write the same thing. I think it'd be cool to talk about Ziva and Gibbs...after all this is their thread So, fellow Gibbs/Ziva shippers, what's your favorite Zibbs (or Giva) episode? Why?Mine is Shalom. Why? Because Ziva in her time of need, instinctively calls Gibbs, she is not afraid to show her feelings....I mean, Ziva never cries in front of anybody, but she's not ashamed to show her frailty and fears to GibbsMaria

dani_ncis wrote: I have another one favorite moment-but it's not shippy-at the end of "Silver War",when Ziva talk with Gibbs about Kate/oh,I never will be able to let go of my Kate/Gibbs obsession... /ZIVA: She’s gone, Gibbs. I don’t think Kate would mind. I found this, but I have a feeling she would have wanted you to have it. See you in the morning. I will be grateful to Ziva for life,because she was the one,who helped Gibbs to deal with Kate's death.

ncis4eva wrote: My favorites are Recoil (the beginning) and Shalom

hmbrown1130 wrote: but then again I don't like the idea of Gibbs with anyone but me. LOL

If Gibbs had someone I think he would lose his Gibbs attitude and a softer Gibbs would not be a better Gibbs.

Gibbs and Ziva do have some things in common like that they both lost loved ones, they both are almost cut from the same cloth. They would make a very interesting couple. And it would be a very interesting turn of events, not only for the TV show but for the fans of NCIS.

jessi0788 wrote: I think that Gibbs and Ziva make a nice couple. I disagree with does that said that because of the age it not a good idea. How many couples now in day have large age difference and are very happy. I believe that Gibbs and Zivas insecurity about opening themselves to others among other things that they have in common will produce a nice love story. Also it will bring a nice twist to the show. About Tony and Ziva a think its just to simple of a love story because its so predictable.

ditte3 wrote: Hi everyone.I'm new to this forum.I like Gibbs and Ziva. I noticed in the latest episodes how much they care for each other,for example in Last Man Standing.Also in Murder 20,in the end at the reward ceremony,when Vance was talking about Gibbs,she seemed so proud of him.Maybe it's just me.

Nina1976 wrote:

ditte3 wrote: Hi everyone.I'm new to this forum.I like Gibbs and Ziva. I noticed in the latest episodes how much they care for each other,for example in Last Man Standing.Also in Murder 20,in the end at the reward ceremony,when Vance was talking about Gibbs,she seemed so proud of him.Maybe it's just me.

Hi ditte3 Welcome to the forum and to the thread! I'm always happy when I see other people notice how much Ziva and Gibbs care for each other. I loved Murder 2.0 also for the scenes between Ziva and Gibbs. It's been nice to see Ziva in protective mode, don't you think? And yes she looked so proud of Gibbs...and is it just me or she looked around, almost as if she was looking for him?Mmm...and maybe I'm in the vast minority, but to me, in the scene with Rose whatsherface she looked kinda jealous Anyway, welcome again

natabrains wrote: Um... No!!!!!!For me the best match in the show is TONY and ZIVA!They have great chemistry! We have seen the way Gibbs acts with love interests (eg. Jenny) and that is not at all how he acts with Ziva. It is just totally wrong!

allbetternow wrote: The only relationship Ziva should be involved in is with me. OOPS, I'm sorry. I'm takling in my sleep again. It'll be Ziva & Tim

ben_ncisfan wrote: I don't think that gibbs and ziva are going to get together. It would probably kill the show. Tony and ziva should get together. She is always talking about tony to mcgee. In angel of death, she was scared that tony had died in that car bombing.

dani_ncis wrote:

natabrains wrote: Um... No!!!!!!For me the best match in the show is TONY and ZIVA!They have great chemistry! We have seen the way Gibbs acts with love interests (eg. Jenny) and that is not at all how he acts with Ziva. It is just totally wrong!

Of course he will not react to Ziva like he react to Jen-this is different relationship-they are good friends,on the age to be something more.Conversations about sex and the teasing between Tony and Ziva are not the only valid example for a relationship .

ditte3 wrote: I noticed that somewhat jealous look on her face.But she definitely looked resentful when she saw Rose having a crush on Gibbs.

ditte3 wrote: Tony and Ziva are sweet together and yes there was a time when she had feelings for young Anthony.Their 'relationship' from Tony's side always seemed flirty for me.I like Tony and he really grew in character when he was in love with Jeanne.He really loved her.So I didn't see this kind of love between Tony and Ziva.

I think a relationship between Gibbs and Ziva would be more mature and they really really seem to be kinda soulmates.

It is like a father daughter thing.

jkgtgal wrote: I don't see Ziva and Gibbs hitting it off like that - they seem to have alot of respect for each other and what the other has been throughandGibbs tells Kate that relationships between agents never works - although he and Jenny obviously had a relationship (maybe thats why he knows they don't work?!)although there was always something between Kate and Gibbs - he joked with her unlike the others - like on the sub when she falls on him - very interesting lines

ditte3 wrote: Yes i'm sure ziva had a thing for Tony.But he didn't feel the same way for Ziva.He's a player yes,but on the other hand loved Jeanne.He wasn't true to her.I think Ziva realized what a real love relationship could be when she met Roy.I still think Ziva and Gibbs would be good together.I don't think he's a player,maybe just a little just because he lost the love of his life and the women he had realationship with weren't the ones who could be the other half of him.

ben_ncisfan wrote: Gibbs is the kind of guy that watches out for his team, and not getting into a relationship with one of his agent. It is like a father daughter thing.

Suebee08 wrote: Gibbs and his current girlfriend the Army Colonel make a great pair. Ziva and Tony are a good match. I gt the vibe that the show is already hinting at a Tony and Ziva pairing. Gibbs has a more fatherly attachment to Ziva than anything else. He needs a mature older woman that will stick it out with him.

ncisislove wrote:

ben_ncisfan wrote: Gi - bs is the kind of guy that watches out for his team, and not getting into a relationship with one of his agent. It is like a father daughter thing.

The thing is they are not father nad daughter.Gibbs react that way to all of his team,it's a Marine thing-that doesn't mean he don't have feelings to them-the finest example are Kate and Abby-he flirted a lot with Kate/"Is it so hard to believe I may be atractive to a woman,Kate?"(My other left foot")/,and sometimes with Abby/when Abby was dressed like Merilin Marilyn Monroe,for example/-I don't have that kind of conversations with my father.With Ziva is more difficult that to be seen,because they are very quiet about their feelings-but I notice sometimes,when she doesn't agree with him she is sharp-like in "Honor Code":"Have you ever been tortured, McGee? There’s only so much torment a human body can bear. Strong men break in a few days, but nobody can hold out forever. Not even Gibbs .",or like in "Murder 2.0"rose:"I like more mature man", Ziva/althought Gibbs in the room(we know how Gibbs and she saw the look Rose gave Gibbs ,when she said her reply/" Older "/and we all know Gibbs attitude towards his age. /-she doeasn't react that way with no reason.

ditte3 wrote: Yes it was so sweet.Rose might have thought that there's something going on between Ziva and Gibbs,when she said "she's pretty."

pizza_slayer wrote: Gibbs obviously feels some personal loyalty to Ziva: he came out of retirement to save her after all. But to me, the relationship seems more of a mentor than either a father or lover. Ziva is learning how to be an investigator from Gibbs. He doesn't give her as hard a time because he knows she doesn't waste time goofing around or explaining process (like certain unnamed agents). On the other hand, initially he did make it clear to her that she had to choose between him and Jen (anyone remember the episode?). MH doesn't seem to be playing Gibbs as being interested romantically in either Ziva or Abby. Likewise, we had the mystery red head at the beginning of the series which kept us from linking him with Kate (definitely some sparks in Yankee White). I suspect we'll be teased for a while with a Tony and Ziva relationship but I don't know that much will happen. Ann

AngelReader wrote: I like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva. I think they would definitely make an interesting couple. In reality though, I don't see them together. Gibbs wouldn't date someone who works for him. But it would be cool to see.

NINA31586 wrote: I think they make more of a Father Daughter relationship. Sry but it just seems wrong.

ncis_glitter wrote: Hi everyone!!! I'm so glad finally I will be able to express myself about Ziva&Gibbs relationship. At the beginning I was not sure, and I used to like the idea of Tony and Ziva together, then I changed my mind, even when there is something between them, I really do not think that they can handle a relationship, specially because of Tony personality.I think she needs someone mature, someone she can be connected to and that someone is Gibbs (my personal opinion)I have been reading some posts, and I am sorry if someone said it before, but I've been thinking about 'Last Man Standing' and the conversation between Z&G over the phone when he said "we miss you" and she replies "I miss you too, all of you", the I miss you was meant only for him, not for the rest of the team, then she says "even Tony" I felt something deep, maybe it was just me. Also the way he reacted when he saw Z in Morocco after the blast, he was desperate and really sad, more than when he saw Tony's car explode. I know that there, the relationship is totally different, but still.I totally agree, Ziva nd Gibbs should be together, they are perfect for each other. I think that nobody understand him better than her, not even Jenny. She helped him in Hiatus, she helped her in Shalom, but for example in Recoil, Tony was teasing her, he said he wanted to help her, but he did the opposit, on the other hand, Gibbs knew what was going on with her, and did his best to help her, he talk to her, his only concern was her and her safety, regardless her relarionship with Locke.Hope the writters do something interesting with their relationship. By the way, I really do not think the age difference matter between them.I've written a lot, sorry for the mistakes, english is not my first language.

natasha2005 wrote: After everything that Gibbs has been through I don't think he will ever fall in love again. As far as Ziva is concerned that's a father/daughter thing, same with Abbey. He needs someone with Jennys qualifications.

ncis_glitter wrote: Hi everyone!!! I'm so glad finally I will be able to express myself about Ziva&Gibbs relationship. At the beginning I was not sure, and I used to like the idea of Tony and Ziva together, then I changed my mind, even when there is something between them, I really do not think that they can handle a relationship, specially because of Tony personality.I think she needs someone mature, someone she can be connected to and that someone is Gibbs (my personal opinion)I have been reading some posts, and I am sorry if someone said it before, but I've been thinking about 'Last Man Standing' and the conversation between Z&G over the phone when he said "we miss you" and she replies "I miss you too, all of you", the I miss you was meant only for him, not for the rest of the team, then she says "even Tony" I felt something deep, maybe it was just me. Also the way he reacted when he saw Z in Morocco after the blast, he was desperate and really sad, more than when he saw Tony's car explode. I know that there, the relationship is totally different, but still.I totally agree, Ziva nd Gibbs should be together, they are perfect for each other. I think that nobody understand him better than her, not even Jenny. She helped him in Hiatus, she helped her in Shalom, but for example in Recoil, Tony was teasing her, he said he wanted to help her, but he did the opposit, on the other hand, Gibbs knew what was going on with her, and did his best to help her, he talk to her, his only concern was her and her safety, regardless her relarionship with Locke.Hope the writters do something interesting with their relationship. By the way, I really do not think the age difference matter between them.I've written a lot, sorry for the mistakes, english is not my first language.

dani_ncis wrote:

natasha2005 wrote: Aft - r everything that Gibbs has been through I don't think he will ever fall in love again. As far as Ziva is concerned that's a father/daughter thing, same with Abbey. He needs someone with Jennys qualifications.

Abby has a father/daughter moments with Gibbs,but she has flirty moments too-I definitely don't ask my father about his underwear,like Abby did once.About Jen-I don't think he trusted her enough to try again a new relationship with her-he said "No" in "Lost and Found",remember?.Kate was the right woman for Gibbs-she had a brain and a body,and wouldn't allaw Gibbs to get his way,if she thinks he is not right-no matter if the problem was about the case or him.I see the same respect and trust between Gibbs and Ziva Like it was between Gibbs and Kate.

natasha2005 wrote: After everything that Gibbs has been through I don't think he will ever fall in love again. As far as Ziva is concerned that's a father/daughter thing, same with Abbey. He needs someone with Jennys qualifications.

tag42768 wrote: ummmm yuck. I think she and Tony are going to end up together.

dani_ncis wrote:

natasha2005 wrote: Aft - r everything that Gibbs has been through I don't think he will ever fall in love again. As far as Ziva is concerned that's a father/daughter thing, same with Abbey. He needs someone with Jennys qualifications.

Abby has a father/daughter moments with Gibbs,but she has flirty moments too-I definitely don't ask my father about his underwear,like Abby did once.About Jen-I don't think he trusted her enough to try again a new relationship with her-he said "No" in "Lost and Found",remember?.Kate was the right woman for Gibbs-she had a brain and a body,and wouldn't allaw Gibbs to get his way,if she thinks he is not right-no matter if the problem was about the case or him.I see the same respect and trust between Gibbs and Ziva Like it was between Gibbs and Kate.

Fingerscan wrote: I'm going to stick my neck out here and say Gibbs is chauvanist. Thus he is protective towards all the women in his life in a likeable sort of way. As for flirting, Ducky said in one of the episode where NCIS was introduced through JAG something along the lines of the pursuit of sex in a male makes them feel alive (I maybe misquoting as I continue but...) especially as they get older. Flirting is harmless, sportingfun. Makes me laugh Gibbs and Ziva , nah! Gibbs and Abby, nahOk, I'll get back in box now

tag42768 wrote: ummmm yuck. I think she and Tony are going to end up together.

slaveathome wrote: We were trying to decide what name we could give Gibbs and Ziva how about Zeroy. Despite the age differance. It could work. But I'm still a Tiva fan. But Zeroy does have a wonderful relationship.

ditte3 wrote: Ops sorry my message didn't go through only the quote.So I like Gibbs and ziva together as I said.I would like to see them together on thescreen in the show.But i don't think it will happen.I still love this ship and there's always fanfiction.

ditte3 wrote: I agree.Maybe they have even more trust because of the shared secret.

Fingerscan wrote: I'm going to stick my neck out here and say Gibbs is chauvanist. Thus he is protective towards all the women in his life in a likeable sort of way. As for flirting, Ducky said in one of the episode where NCIS was introduced through JAG something along the lines of the pursuit of sex in a male makes them feel alive (I maybe misquoting as I continue but...) especially as they get older. Flirting is harmless, sportingfun. Makes me laugh Gibbs and Ziva , nah! Gibbs and Abby, nahOk, I'll get back in box now

dani_ncis wrote: Even if you are right, the word "likeable " means some sort of fellings-there is always a possibility these feelings to grow up.

didove wrote: hate it ! the idea , no way ! do really like to complicate things . please . Gibbs is the team father , they love him , fear him , look up to him , keep good things good . ziva & Gibbs i'll no longer be a fan , honestly i logged in because i hatad the idea so much i can't let it go without saying something .

didove wrote: hate it ! the idea , no way ! do really like to complicate things . please . Gibbs is the team father , they love him , fear him , look up to him , keep good things good . ziva & Gibbs i'll no longer be a fan , honestly i logged in because i hatad the idea so much i can't let it go without saying something .

didove wrote: hate it ! the idea , no way ! do really like to complicate things . please . Gibbs is the team father , they love him , fear him , look up to him , keep good things good . ziva & Gibbs i'll no longer be a fan , honestly i logged in because i hatad the idea so much i can't let it go without saying something .

elkaimp wrote: Nuh-uh.Gibbs/Tony.It's practically canon.

ncisislove wrote:

elkaimp wrote: Nuh-uh.Gibbs/Tony.It's practically canon.

Only if you like slash(like me
)

dani_ncis wrote:

didove wrote: hate it ! the idea , no way ! do really like to complicate things . please . Gibbs is the team father , they love him , fear him , look up to him , keep good things good . ziva & Gibbs i'll no longer be a fan , honestly i logged in because i hatad the idea so much i can't let it go without saying something .

Can you be more specific?You like or don't like complicated things? Dani...you rock, girl

there IS a difference between father and father figure. -

Thank you...(and Maria) for saying that!

.He look at her like a grown woman-not like at Abby-he acted more fatherly to Abby than to Ziva-and that means something.

I agree. Theirs is a relationship between grown ups. IMHO.

Just to make things clear-I'm not talking about a real,heated and passionated relationship-

Not that there'd be anything wrong with that if it happened

I'm talking aboit a possibility for that kind of a relationship,considering the characters-they alike-both solgers,strong and passionate.Yes,that doesn't mean they have to hook up-but their tiny phrases makes me wonder about a possibility for that.

I think that until the very last scene, of the very last season, of the very last episode of the series anything is possible....including a possible Ziva/Gibbs relationship.

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MaryRowen wrote: I'm sorry, since there are people who actually like the idea of Ziva and Gibbs together in this thread, I think that it'd be more respectful of other people ideas not use words like: hate, yuck or similar words. Respecting other people's ideas is important, each one of us probably hate or despise characters and relationships, but most of us don't think they have the right to use such strong words. This is probably the millionth time some on the thread is going to say this, but: being a father figure doesn't mean being a FATHER. I can see my cat as my brother figure...that doesn't mean he is my brother. To be a menthor doesn't mean being a eunuch or being seen as an eunuch. Personally my cousin, who is a psychiatrist married her teacher, who's 20 years older than her, they have two kids and they're happy . There is no general rule. Love is complex---relationships are complex. Maria

I totally agree with you, Maria In real life relationship don't come with a label...and what I love about NCIS is how real the relationships between the characters are.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/382283.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/382283.page GMT I don't know if anyone ships Jack/Sam from Stargate SG1.They had a great chemistry.OK it's not the same as Gibbs and Ziva,but a little bit similar IMO.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/384498.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/384498.page GMT Hi michelle.Kate wasn't a redhead and still Gibbs liked her.I think Gibbs attraction for redheads comes from the fact that he lost Shannon and he's searchin gher in women similar to her.It doesn't mean he can't love othertype of women.Hollis is blond for example...

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ditte3 wrote: Yes a certain brunette would do.

yeah, I think so

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ditte3 wrote: I don't know if anyone ships Jack/Sam from Stargate SG1.They had a great chemistry.OK it's not the same as Gibbs and Ziva,but a little bit similar IMO.

I never watched Stargate SG1...so I don't know who the characters are...but I've been trying to come up with other couples I ship from other fandoms that remind me of Ziva and Gibbs...and my mind's blank

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/384714.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/384714.page GMT I'm thinking of similar couples.In Stargate Jack and Samantha are not exactly like Gibbs and Ziva ,but I like them.Sam is at least ten years(if not more) younger than Jack and they are both soldiers in the Air Force.They can't have a relationship,but you can see they love each other.There were episodes where the team meth their alternate universe selves and Jack and Samantha were always a couple.So in NCIS we won't se such sci-fi things and their relationship is not the same,but I still see fantasy in Gibbs/ziva.

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ditte3 wrote: Hi michelle.Kate wasn't a redhead and still Gibbs liked her.I think Gibbs attraction for redheads comes from the fact that he lost Shannon and he's searchin gher in women similar to her.It doesn't mean he can't love othertype of women.Hollis is blond for example...

Totally agree!!! Maybe what he really needs is to get rid of the idea of red heads. Ziva might be his hapiness, after all, Ziva seems to be his other half in more than one way.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/387066.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/387066.page GMT There is no way Gibbs and Ziva should hook-up. People talk about them being "warriors" and being similar. That is what makes them a great team; if Ziva should hook-up with anyone, it should be Tony. They challenge each other all the time, and the chemistry with them is way better than it is with Gibbs. Gibbs treats Ziva more like a "partner" than someone he likes. Take it from me, I am in law enforcement and have a "partner". I also, had a "partner" when I was a SEAL. I do believe that it is time that Gibbs has a "love intrest", but it should either be...... 1) That red-head in the being of the series that always picked up Gibbs in the drop-top convette; or 2) someone who is older, driven, and more like Catlain.

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mckenzie2324 wrote: . I do believe that it is time that Gibbs has a "love intrest", but it should either be...... 1) That red-head in the being of the series that always picked up Gibbs in the drop-top convette

The general assumption seems to be that the redhead is just a friend. Gibbs flirts a lot for a man who has a girlfriend, if that is what the redhead is, but he does not seem the type to cheat or be a player.We saw the readhead for the last time at the beginning of S3-Gibbs kissed the blondy in S2-"Doppelgänger"-if the readhead was a girfriend ,that will make Gibbs a cheater,which I think is totally out of the character for hm.

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wheelz954 wrote: gibbs and ziva no..... ziva and tony yes...... they need to make an episode where tony and ziva hook up!!! it would make the show so much more interesting.

Maybe not everyone likes Tony and Ziva and wish for an episode where they hook up.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388367.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388367.page GMT Hi mckenzie2324 There is no way Gibbs and Ziva should hook-up. Why? People talk about them being "warriors" and being similar. That is what makes them a great team; Yes, indeed, but being similar is also a very good basis to build a relationship on. if Ziva should hook-up with anyone, it should be Tony. Why? and the chemistry with them is way better than it is with Gibbs. But chemistry is not everything...and, forgive me, but it's based on what we perceive. Also, you may feel attracted to a person but this doesn't mean that a relationship can go beyond that. Gibbs treats Ziva more like a "partner" than someone he likes. Take it from me, I am in law enforcement and have a "partner". I also, had a "partner" when I was a SEAL. Wow...you were a SEAL? Wow... But, you say Ziva is better suited with Tony...but he's her partner too. She said it herself...wouldn't all that "chemistry" risk ruining their partnership? Wouldn't it jeopardize their job as well? If everything, if what you say about chemistry between Tony and Ziva is true, the only person Ziva shouldn't get together with is Tony I do believe that it is time that Gibbs has a "love intrest", On this we agree but it should either be...... 1) That red-head in the being of the series that always picked up Gibbs in the drop-top convette; Er...I think I can hazard a guess and say that they have broken up since Gibbs's been involved with someone else (Hollis)...and I really can't see Gibbs as a cheater. or 2) someone who is older, driven, and more like Catlain. Who? Well, Ziva is driven, she may not be old, but she's lived such a life that has made her more mature for her age. They have tried to give Gibbs someone who was older and driven ...it didn't work out. Maybe they should try with something different....someone who is younger, but gets him...his dedication to his job, his values, his way of thinking. He'd need someone who knows everything about his past and is not scared by it. He'd need someone who challenges him but is loyal to him...someone he can trust ...and that someone could be Ziva Anyway...welcome to the thread

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ditte3 wrote: I'm thinking of similar couples.In Stargate Jack and Samantha are not exactly like Gibbs and Ziva ,but I like them.Sam is at least ten years(if not more) younger than Jack and they are both soldiers in the Air Force.They can't have a relationship,but you can see they love each other.There were episodes where the team meth their alternate universe selves and Jack and Samantha were always a couple.So in NCIS we won't se such sci-fi things and their relationship is not the same,but I still see fantasy in Gibbs/ziva.

Me too...

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ncis_glitter wrote: Totally agree!!! Maybe what he really needs is to get rid of the idea of red heads. Ziva might be his hapiness, after all, Ziva seems to be his other half in more than one way.

I totally agree with you They could be each other's happiness

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388395.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388395.page GMT hell NO...I don't want to see Ziva with Gibbs.I'd love to see Tony with Ziva though.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388588.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388588.page GMT Ziva and Tony makes more sense. Especially since they have shown interest for lack of a better word, in each other's personal life. Tony seemed hurt when he found the pic on Zivas desk when she was going home for a visit a few episodes ago. And last night, Ziva almost admitted her attacking the guards was because she thought something happened to Tony. Gibbs and Ziva have a trust relationship, but all of them need to other wise it wouldn't work as well as it does now. Chemistry for romance I think would be tony and ziva especially with their individual histories.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388736.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/388736.page GMT 'Ziva and Tony makes more sense.... I think would be tony and ziva especially with their individual histories.' Generally,I agree-they have the same relationships with the fathers,and they share a lot-from food to their sex life.But I think McGee and Ziva have that kind of conversations/chemestry too-Ziva teased a lot McGee about his sex life,and between them there is really some...warmth,that i don't see between Tony and Ziva often.If you want to see the real chemestry between Ziva and Gibbs,watch "Silver War","Switch","Honor Code","Hiatus 1&2","Shalom","Escaped","Desig nated Target","Recoil","Murder 2.0".Not-shippy-but stiil -a-good-example-for- their-relationship episodes are "Tribes" and "Which Hunt".And even ifZiva "almost admitted her attacking the guards was because she thought something happened to Tony" is right-she did the same for Gibbs--she did something,which is more powerful of what she did for Tony-she killed her own brother-yes,I know that doesn't mean she is in love with him,and may not mean chemestry,but still-was something very powerful.That connected Gibbs and Ziva life's forever and made their relationship a lot more stronger,than Tony and Ziva will ever be.

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happyblue wrote: hell NO...I don't want to see Ziva with Gibbs.I'd love to see Tony with Ziva though.

I get being that passionate, but being respectful shouldn't be forgotten. This is the thread about Gibbs and Ziva, please try to remember that when expressing your love for another couple

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michelle_01 wrote: work partners make you slip up,when it comes to doing your work job as ziza did in the war game.last night

Hi! I'm not sure I understand who you're referring to...I guess Tony and Ziva? I mean...you've used as an example last night's episode...that's why I'm asking. Luckily Gibbs and Ziva are rarely on the field together, but when it happens...we have episodes like Shalom or Once a hero or the interrogation scene in Chimera they never slip up

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tanyaj101 wrote: GROSS!!!!! Ziva needs to be with Tony not Gibbs!

Ziva needs to be with a man who respects and understands her. Oh...and GROSS...is quite a mean word, don't you think?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/389803.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/389803.page GMT sorry for not defining to well... it meant to say tony and ziva would not be a good match for working together ziva is a peron that need a relationship like gibbs could give .. but in the same reasoning i had about last nights show they show not work and have a relationship.

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tanyaj101 wrote: GROSS!!!!! Ziva needs to be with Tony not Gibbs!

Actually, I miss Tony and Doctor Jeanne Benoit. they were the couple. I still think theres going to be a surprise there. Also sorry to here about NCIS Director Jenny Shepard being killed off, her and GIbbs had chemistry. And I think a surprise is going to come out of that too. my opinion.

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michelle_01 wrote: oh I forgot too... tony's a skirt chaser-"googler" lol opps.. and ziva would ...ummm not agree with that

Agree, watching Heart Break, NCIS Special Agent Paula Cassidy said it herself, both her and Tony are players. It would be hard for Ziva and Tony together, might work, but won't see it.

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ajotool wrote: I don't think Gibbs and Ziva would be that great together. He seems more like a father than anything.

Why? When it's been said or implied that he sees her as a daughter...or that she sees a surrogate father in him?

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jd58928 wrote: Ziva and Tony makes more sense. Especially since they have shown interest for lack of a better word, in each other's personal life. Tony seemed hurt when he found the pic on Zivas desk when she was going home for a visit a few episodes ago. And last night, Ziva almost admitted her attacking the guards was because she thought something happened to Tony. Gibbs and Ziva have a trust relationship, but all of them need to other wise it wouldn't work as well as it does now. Chemistry for romance I think would be tony and ziva especially with their individual histories.

To me Ziva and Tony make no sense at all . This is not the place, though, to discuss why, since it's not a thread about them What Gibbs and Ziva have is IMHO something that runs deeper that a trust relationship...I like the fact that her trust in Gibbs is solid, unshakable ...but there is a connection, a bond that goes way beyond trust between coworkers. They understand each other better than anybody else. You talk about chemistry for romance ...the problem is, I think, that we are blessed with a group of actors who have amazing chemistry with each other, because I do see chemistry for romance between Ziva and Gibbs

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ncisislove wrote: If you want to see the real chemestry between Ziva and Gibbs,watch "Silver War","Switch","Honor Code","Hiatus 1&2","Shalom","Escaped","Desig nated Target","Recoil","Murder 2.0".

and don't forget stakeout their scenes in the apartment were so cute! OR Internal Affairs, the scene in Gibbs' basement after he gives her the knife

Not-shippy-but stiil -a-good-example-for- their-relationship episodes are "Tribes" and "Which Hunt".

True

And even ifZiva "almost admitted her attacking the guards was because she thought something happened to Tony" is right-she did the same for Gibbs--she did something,which is more powerful of what she did for Tony-she killed her own brother-yes,I know that doesn't mean she is in love with him,and may not mean chemestry,but still-was something very powerful.

And don't forget Hiatus pt2! She gave him back his life...she was the only one who could trigger his memories. By touching her, he recalled everything! It's such a powerful scene!

That connected Gibbs and Ziva life's forever and made their relationship a lot more stronger,than Tony and Ziva will ever be.

Amen to that.

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michelle_01 wrote: sorry for not defining to well... it meant to say tony and ziva would not be a good match for working together ziva is a peron that need a relationship like gibbs could give .. but in the same reasoning i had about last nights show they show not work and have a relationship.

mmm...I don't know...I have a theory about last night's episode and Ziva's involvement in Gibbs' plan To me they (Gibbs and Ziva) have showed they can work pretty well together and not lose focus on the job.

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slider412 wrote:

tanyaj101 wrote: GROSS - !!!! Ziva needs to be with Tony not Gibbs!

Actually, I miss Tony and Doctor Jeanne Benoit. they were the couple. I still think theres going to be a surprise there. Also sorry to here about NCIS Director Jenny Shepard being killed off, her and GIbbs had chemistry. And I think a surprise is going to come out of that too. my opinion.

I miss Jeanne too She had a good influence on Tony, he was a better person when he was with her, and he clearly was very much in love with her...I still hope that she will return one day. As for Jenny...as much as I miss her character (although Leon is starting to grow on me), I think she is really dead. And besides she was already dying with some disease....

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slider412 wrote:

michelle_01 wrote: oh I forgot too... tony's a skirt chaser-"googler" lol opps.. and ziva would ...ummm not agree with that

Agree, watching Heart Break, NCIS Special Agent Paula Cassidy said it herself, both her and Tony are players. It would be hard for Ziva and Tony together, might work, but won't see it.

so Gibbs could be a good match for Ziva, don't you think?

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slider412 wrote:

tanyaj101 wrote: GROSS - !!!! Ziva needs to be with Tony not Gibbs!

Also sorry to here about NCIS Director Jenny Shepard being killed off, her and GIbbs had chemistry. And I think a surprise is going to come out of that too.

They were lovers-it's natural,if they flirt.That's understandable,if you work with a person,who was your lover in the past and you both had feelings-the relationship is over,but not the feelings.Gibbs will never be with Jen again,mostly because he don't trust her-I think that he was willing to overlook her faults, when it came to himself. He wasn't quite so forgiving when it came to her endangering HIS team.

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Nina1976 wrote:

ncisislove wrote: If you want to see the real chemestry between Ziva and Gibbs,watch "Silver War","Switch","Honor Code","Hiatus 1&2","Shalom","Escaped","Desig nated Target","Recoil","Murder 2.0".

and don't forget stakeout their scenes in the apartment were so cute! OR Internal Affairs, the scene in Gibbs' basement after he gives her the knife

Oh,I am sure there are a lot ep. I didn't mention at all.

Nina1976 wrote:

ncisislove wrote: And even ifZiva "almost admitted her attacking the guards was because she thought something happened to Tony" is right-she did the same for Gibbs--she did something,which is more powerful of what she did for Tony-she killed her own brother-yes,I know that doesn't mean she is in love with him,and may not mean chemestry,but still-was something very powerful.

And don't forget Hiatus pt2! She gave him back his life...she was the only one who could trigger his memories. By touching her, he recalled everything! It's such a powerful scene!

I agree with you-partly.See for me the memory of Kate Todd is particularly powerful when it comes to Jethro Gibbs. His memory revolved around two points: the death of his beloved wife and his adored daughter and the death of this one particular agent.BUT exactly Ziva David, who's been in NCIS less than a year,and is the newer member of the team,/which means she doesn't have that strong connection with Gibbs like the others(keep in mind that no one knew about the fact she killed Ari)/ is the person ,who helped him.The memory of Kate returned Gibbs memorry,but Ziva was the person,who made that possible.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/391562.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/391562.page GMT Tony is no longer a "skirt-chaser" Jeanne changed Tony, and Ziva killed her brother Ari to save Isreal, from Ari who was trying to blow up the country. She did not kill him because she likes Gibbs. Gibbs and Ziva are too similar to be together. There is SUPER chemistry between them, but it is a work related chemistry, not a I am falling in love with you chemistry. That being said, I do agree with this Nina woman, lets not put each other's ideas down. They are only opinions; and remember people IT IS JUST A TV SHOW. There is no need to get so wrapped up in it.

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mckenzie2324 wrote: -

Tony is no longer a "skirt-chaser" Jeanne changed Tony,

That Jeanne had a good influence on Tony is true, unfortunately, he's reverted to his old ways. In Last Man Standing, Langer complained that he'd been answering phone calls from women looking for Tony for months. And last week he was flirting and hitting on the blonde girl...I wish he had remained the same man he was with Jeanne, but he didn't

and Ziva killed her brother Ari to save Isreal, from Ari who was trying to blow up the country. She did not kill him because she likes Gibbs.

Yes, she did kill Ari to save her country ...but she did save Gibbs...and by saving him she formed a bond with him that it's strong, stronger than physical attraction IMHO.

Gibbs and Ziva are too similar to be together. There is SUPER chemistry between them, but it is a work related chemistry, not a I am falling in love with you chemistry.

Look, it's not like we (Ziva and Gibbs) shippers expect them to walk down the aisle tomorrow we just discuss the possibility ...we like the couple, if we want to see 'I'm falling in love with you chemistry' between them we'll do that...especially on a thread about Ziva and Gibbs , don't you think?

That being said, I do agree with this Nina woman, lets not put each other's ideas down. They are only opinions; and remember people IT IS JUST A TV SHOW. There is no need to get so wrapped up in it.

Glad we agree on this

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ncisislove wrote:

Nina1976 wrote: And don't forget Hiatus pt2! She gave him back his life...she was the only one who could trigger his memories. By touching her, he recalled everything! It's such a powerful scene!

I agree with you-partly.See for me the memory of Kate Todd is particularly powerful when it comes to Jethro Gibbs. His memory revolved around two points: the death of his beloved wife and his adored daughter and the death of this one particular agent.BUT exactly Ziva David, who's been in NCIS less than a year,and is the newer member of the team,/which means she doesn't have that strong connection with Gibbs like the others(keep in mind that no one knew about the fact she killed Ari)/ is the person ,who helped him.The memory of Kate returned Gibbs memorry,but Ziva was the person,who made that possible.

I agree with you...I'm afraid I didn't express myself clearly Kate's memory was indeed strong enough for Gibbs...but what floored me at the time was the fact that Ziva had the power to trigger all those memories...I never questioned the importance Kate had for Gibbs ...I was just totally in awe with that scene....and how it showed the depth of the bond between Ziva and Gibbs.

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mckenzie2324 wrote: - She did not kill him because she likes Gibbs. Gibbs and Ziva are too similar to be together.

I never said that-I even said that doesn't mean she is in love with him,and may not mean chemestry,but still-was something very powerful.That connected Gibbs and Ziva life's forever and made their relationship a lot more stronger

There is SUPER chemistry between them, but it is a work related chemistry, not a I am falling in love with you chemistry.

By similarities, Ziva and Gibbs are "pairs": both are soldiers, are strong and skilled, both have in within the altruism that bring this type of people, (warriors) to sacrifice themselves for the others wellbeing. Both have lost family and have a pretty similar concept about life... YES, they definitely match.The question is how that strong connection will turn out in the future ep.

That being said, I do agree with this Nina woman, lets not put each other's ideas down.

Believe me,it can be worst-ship wars ca be very ugly sometimes.I believe most of us are respectful to other opinions-most of people-like you- come here to give a well-founded opinion about Gibbs and Ziva relationship,and I respect that.But here come people,who post only one sentence like"it's gross",or "tony and Ziva should be together"(since this is a Ziva/Gibbs thread,I really wonder why they post stuff like that here,on this thread ),without saying why they think that way-for me their post is pointless,because I can't debate with them-and the point of every forum is to debate-people to post their opinions,not to post a loud phrases and declarations.

Nina1976 wrote: I agree with you...I'm afraid I didn't express myself clearly Kate's memory was indeed strong enough for Gibbs...but what floored me at the time was the fact that Ziva had the power to trigger all those memories...I never questioned the importance Kate had for Gibbs ...I was just totally in awe with that scene....and how it showed the depth of the bond between Ziva and Gibbs.

I'm sorry,Nina,for the misunderstanding-I thought is was me who didn't express myself clearly. For me is amazing how one person,who don't have that strong connection with other person,can do so much for him-and all she did for Gibbs,she did it instinctively-Gibbs said it himself" You killed your brother.To save me."-like he didn't believe a person,who doesn't know him,and by definition has to hate/be afraid of him, can do that-she killed,because his life was in danger.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392363.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392363.page GMT I never once thought of Ziva & Gibbs in romantic way.....a great respect between these two characters but simply cannot see any romance between Ziva & Gibbs....more fatherly. Possible Romance----- TONY & ZIVA ....YES GIbbs & Ziva .... NO

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392384.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392384.page GMT I have been a big fan of NCIS for along time ever since it spinned off from JAG but haven't watched it for along, long time until last year. I don't remember Kate that well and Ziva is very interesting as is everyone at NCIS. I did however, finally order Seasons 1-5 on DVD to get totally caught up. USA and ION network is also helping me out in getting caught up. I wonder if the cast and crew of NCIS ever look at the CBS website and read the forums. I think they would laugh at some of these.Ok, back to the topic of Gibbs and Ziva. I would have to agree that Gibbs and Ziva have a lot in common. I think the attraction is there but they don't know it and don't want to explore it because of their past of losing people. However, Ziva/Tony as well as McGee/Abby click but not as well as Ziva/Gibbs. I have watched clips of them in different episodes that just makes your heart flutter but I don't get that when she is with Tony. They are more like brother and sister and very amusing to watch. They are attracted to each other and both are aware, but Gibbs rule of don't get involved with a co-worker. Well with that being said, Gibbs did get involved with Jenny so maybe he has loosened up about that rule. Is it me or is it ironic that Jenny was a red-head and so were I think all 4 of his ex-wives? LOL Maybe a brunette would be a good change for him. (hint: Ziva) LOL. You know the attraction with him and Ziva is there. When she killed her brother Ari, when she was in the warehouse, when Gibbs had amnesia. I know there's more but like I said I need to get caught up again. I think the powers that be should explore a possible romance between Gibbs and Ziva and actually making it last. Tony will come to terms with this and will find someone new. Abby is more like Gibbs daughter so her and McGee would be good together or eve Abby/Tony. Ok I am rambling. I wonder what the rest of Season 6 holds in store for us. There better be a Season 7 and 8. LOL Will they find out if Agent Lee who was discovered as being the mole if she was telling the truth about her daughter be held and if she told her daughter would be killed? It was kind of spooky when they showed Mark Harmon's (Gibbs) in the back of her car saying "we work together"! OK powers that be, give Ziva and Gibbs a chance. LOL

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392452.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392452.page GMT Hi joAnna1275 and welcome. I agree with you at many points.Even if Tony and Ziva are sweet together,but I see a more mature relationship between Gibbs and Ziva.Ok I admit it's not based on romance esactly,but trust and deep understanding.But I think they have a potential for romance,they have attraction and chemistry.They don't act upon it I agree.I'm a married person and believe me besides mutual attraction and love you need trust and mutual respect in a relationship.But surely you all now that.

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ncisislove wrote:

mckenzie2324 wrote: [ - ize=12][/size]

That being said, I do agree with this Nina woman, lets not put each other's ideas down.

Believe me,it can be worst-ship wars ca be very ugly sometimes. Oh, yes...they can! I've been in fandoms legendary for their shipper wars I believe most of us are respectful to other opinions-most of people-like you- come here to give a well-founded opinion about Gibbs and Ziva relationship,and I respect that. Absolutely, me too!

But here come people,who post only one sentence like"it's gross",or "tony and Ziva should be together"(since this is a Ziva/Gibbs thread,I really wonder why they post stuff like that here,on this thread ),without saying why they think that way-for me their post is pointless,because I can't debate with them-and the point of every forum is to debate-people to post their opinions,not to post a loud phrases and declarations.

Oh, I SO agree with you! I really don't get it either!

I'm sorry,Nina,for the misunderstanding-I thought is was me who didn't express myself clearly.

it's okay

For me is amazing how one person,who don't have that strong connection with other person,can do so much for him-and all she did for Gibbs,she did it instinctively-Gibbs said it himself" You killed your brother.To save me."-like he didn't believe a person,who doesn't know him,and by definition has to hate/be afraid of him, can do that-she killed,because his life was in danger.

My thoughts exactly! The disbelief in his eyes was one of the things that had my jaw hit the floor when I first watched that scene

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evah3 wrote: I never once thought of Ziva & Gibbs in romantic way.....a great respect between these two characters but simply cannot see any romance between Ziva & Gibbs....more fatherly. Possible Romance----- TONY & ZIVA ....YES GIbbs & Ziva .... NO

mckenzie2324 wrote: Gibbs and Ziva are too similar to be together. There is SUPER chemistry between them, but it is a work related chemistry, not a I am falling in love with you chemistry.

Interesting fact-one of my favorite writters on livejournal is a hard core Tony/Ziva and Gibbs/Jen shipper-imagine my big surprise,when she said "Gibbs/Ziva is growing on me." Beeing a Tony/Ziva shipper myself,I still can see the strong connection between Gibbs and Ziva-and that is a very good base for a relationship.

JoAnna1275 wrote: Maybe a brunette would be a good change for him. (hint: Ziva) ! [/color]

Or Kate. These 2 know how to get Gibbs.PS: I think that's 2 different relationships-Tony/Ziva and Gibbs/Ziva.I can say so many things to prove how wonderful these relationships are-but their understanding and accepting depend on a lot of things-age,maturity,education, sex (I notice that women notice much more things about the couples-man are mostly blind.A friend of mine,who is married,watched a few ep.with her husband,who has no clue of NCIS like a show.She asked him about the potential couples he sees,and he told her"Gibbs and that readheaded woman(Jen).... Man!!!!!!!!!! ) The future of these couples belongs to the writters-not to us.I really hope they will continue to give us these tiny little moments between Gibbs and Ziva.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392748.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/392748.page GMT You cant say Tony reverted back to his old ways because he flirted with a woman. When you see a hot man, Im sure you flirt too Nina. (BEAUTIFUL NAME BY THE WAY) Tony hasnt flirted with every skirt that walks by anymore, maybe once in a while. She changed him. I just dont think Gibbs and Ziva would make a good couple is all. Way, way, way too similar for a relantionship. I agree with the one person (sorry, i cant recall who you are), McGee and Abby should MOST DEFINETLY get back together.

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dani_ncis wrote:

evah3 wrote: I never once thought of Ziva & Gibbs in romantic way.....a great respect between these two characters but simply cannot see any romance between Ziva & Gibbs....more fatherly. Possible Romance----- TONY & ZIVA ....YES GIbbs & Ziva .... NO

mckenzie2324 wrote: Gibbs and Ziva are too similar to be together. There is SUPER chemistry between them, but it is a work related chemistry, not a I am falling in love with you chemistry.

Interesting fact-one of my favorite writters on livejournal is a hard core Tony/Ziva and Gibbs/Jen shipper-imagine my big surprise,when she said "Gibbs/Ziva is growing on me." Beeing a Tony/Ziva shipper myself,I still can see the strong connection between Gibbs and Ziva-and that is a very good base for a relationship.

JoAnna1275 wrote: Maybe a brunette would be a good change for him. (hint: Ziva) ! [/color]

Or Kate. These 2 know how to get Gibbs.PS: I think that's 2 different relationships-Tony/Ziva and Gibbs/Ziva.I can say so many things to prove how wonderful these relationships are-but their understanding and accepting depend on a lot of things-age,maturity,education, sex (I notice that women notice much more things about the couples-man are mostly blind.A friend of mine,who is married,watched a few ep.with her husband,who has no clue of NCIS like a show.She asked him about the potential couples he sees,and he told her"Gibbs and that readheaded woman(Jen).... Man!!!!!!!!!! ) The future of these couples belongs to the writters-not to us.I really hope they will continue to give us these tiny little moments between Gibbs and Ziva.

Many man doesn't have a romantic vene.

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mckenzie2324 wrote: You cant say Tony reverted back to his old ways because he flirted with a woman. When you see a hot man, Im sure you flirt too

Flirt-yes-to be in a relationship with him- no.

mckenzie2324 wrote: I just dont think Gibbs and Ziva would make a good couple is all. Way, way, way too similar for a relantionship. I agree with the one person (sorry, i cant recall who you are), McGee and Abby should MOST DEFINETLY get back together.

Like Scarlett's father ("Gone with the wind") told her,the marriage is happy and succesful,when the people are alike.I agree with ncisislove-by similarities, Ziva and Gibbs are "pairs".

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/395256.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/395256.page GMT I have a husband so I know what a relationship is.I tell you it's much easier (and happier) to live with someone that when they are similar(have similar way of thinking etc) than if you are much different.You may have a gratchemistry but still can't live in a happy relationship ecen if you love your mate.As I said besides love and erotics you nedd trust understanding and mutual respect.(sorry for taking my life as an example)but it's never easy to live in a relationship.It's so hard when you are different.

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ditte3 wrote: I have a husband so I know what a relationship is.I tell you it's much easier (and happier) to live with someone that when they are similar(have similar way of thinking etc) than if you are much different.You may have a gratchemistry but still can't live in a happy relationship ecen if you love your mate.As I said besides love and erotics you nedd trust understanding and mutual respect.(sorry for taking my life as an example)but it's never easy to live in a relationship.It's so hard when you are different.

I totally agree with you! Relationships can be complicated enough...when there are too many differences or it's just about chemistry become even more difficult

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dani_ncis wrote:

mckenzie2324 wrote: You cant say Tony reverted back to his old ways because he flirted with a woman. When you see a hot man, Im sure you flirt too

Flirt-yes-to be in a relationship with him- no.

mckenzie2324 wrote: I just dont think Gibbs and Ziva would make a good couple is all. Way, way, way too similar for a relantionship. I agree with the one person (sorry, i cant recall who you are), McGee and Abby should MOST DEFINETLY get back together.

Like Scarlett's father ("Gone with the wind") told her,the marriage is happy and succesful,when the people are alike.I agree with ncisislove-by similarities, Ziva and Gibbs are "pairs".

My thoughts exactly I hate to use oneliners but in this case I couldn't add anything more to what you said

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night20 wrote:EEEWWWW!!! I could never even BEGIN to imgine the idea of Gibbs and Ziva together, involved, intimate, or whatever!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!! AND...it's VERY obvious that she has a thing for Tony, and he likes her back too!! They are just made to be together!! I can't wait until it actually happens!! <3

"thanks" night20 After reading all these comments of Ziva & Gibbs togerther,I agree with EEEWWWW!!!! I was beginning to wonder if I was watching same show. It is NCIS, isn't it

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mckenzie2324 wrote: You cant say Tony reverted back to his old ways because he flirted with a woman. When you see a hot man, Im sure you flirt too Nina. (BEAUTIFUL NAME BY THE WAY)Thank you and actually it depends whether I'm interested or not in another man...

Tony hasnt flirted with every skirt that walks by anymore, maybe once in a while. She changed him.

I agree...in fact, when he was with Jeanne and was in love with her, he didn't flirt any more...now that he is not in love with anyone, he flirts once in a while ...

I just dont think Gibbs and Ziva would make a good couple is all. Way, way, way too similar for a relantionship.

Ok, that's your opinion and I respect that

I agree with the one person (sorry, i cant recall who you are), McGee and Abby should MOST DEFINETLY get back together.

On this we agree they're too cute together

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evah3 wrote:

night20 wrote:EEEWWWW!!! I could never even BEGIN to imgine the idea of Gibbs and Ziva together, involved, intimate, or whatever!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!! AND...it's VERY obvious that she has a thing for Tony, and he likes her back too!! They are just made to be together!! I can't wait until it actually happens!! <3

"thanks" night20 After reading all these comments of Ziva & Gibbs togerther,I agree with EEEWWWW!!!! I was beginning to wonder if I was watching same show. It is NCIS, isn't it

Yes, actually you are...and this is the thread about Ziva and Gibbs hence the discussion about the possibility of a romantic involvement between the characters. It'd be nice to be respectful of other people's opinion, don't you think

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/395935.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/395935.page GMT I agree it's a Gibbs and Ziva thread,please don't be rude.We respect the opinions of other shippers,but please be polite.We do the same.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396348.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396348.page GMT Hi,Yes, you are watching the same NCIS...the one where it takes Gibbs and Ziva a look to understand each other...they share secrets and trust each other Maria

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396483.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396483.page GMT Hi,I would like to say that I'd rather not answer to the various posts that say that Gibbs is like a father to Ziva, the various "eeeew" for one simple reason: I've already done that in previous posts. Since I think that it's more important talking about the subject of the thread: Gibbs and Ziva, I'd like to ask you one question about the episode: didn't you think there was something strange in Ziva? Thinking back about the fact that while she was in Israel she had been working on joint operation with NCIS about the breach in security...couldn't it be that she knows more than we think or that Mossad too is working on it too?I mean, isn't it strange that with so many mysteries still unsolved Ziva went on vacation in Nine Lives? We have to remember that Ziva's father said to Leon: "use her well" ...it's strange IMHO, I don't think he meant just NCIS work. Maria

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396486.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396486.page GMT Ziva is old enough to understand life.to make a decision of a relationshipI hope she is happy with what ever it is.

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michelle_01 wrote: Ziva is old enough to understand life.to make a decision of a relationshipI hope she is happy with what ever it is.

michelle_01, I agree with you, completely!

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evah3 wrote:

night20 wrote:EEEWWWW!!! I could never even BEGIN to imgine the idea of Gibbs and Ziva together, involved, intimate, or whatever!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!! AND...it's VERY obvious that she has a thing for Tony, and he likes her back too!! They are just made to be together!! I can't wait until it actually happens!! <3

"thanks" night20 After reading all these comments of Ziva & Gibbs togerther,I agree with EEEWWWW!!!! I was beginning to wonder if I was watching same show. It is NCIS, isn't it

A grown woman /man will never post this "ewwww",because to judge about the the relationship ,lean only on the age of the one of the pair, is very unmature. I said it once and I'll say it again- to deny a relationship because of the age is unfair -in the real life I know a man,who married a woman,15 years older than him-that is one of the happiest couples I know.Judging by your post,their relationship has to be a crap. Thanks Godness your POV is not that popular-otherwise we will not have a beautiful books like "Gone with the wind" and "Jane Eyre" ,because people will consider a relationship between older man-younger woman like a rubbish. If you can't see a potential relationship,that doesn't mean it's not there -Kate's relationship with Gibbs is a fine example .I don't know if you read all the posts- we are not talking about a real,heated and passionated relationship-we talking about a possibility for that kind of a relationship,considering the characters-they alike-both solgers,strong and passionate.Yes,that doesn't mean they have to hook up-but their tiny phrases makes me wonder about a possibility for that. Ditte3 said very true thing about their relationship" Even if Tony and Ziva are sweet together,but I see a more mature relationship between Gibbs and Ziva.Ok I admit it's not based on romance esactly,but trust and deep understanding.But I think they have a potential for romance,they have attraction and chemistry.They don't act upon it I agree.I'm a married person and believe me besides mutual attraction and love you need trust and mutual respect in a relationship.But surely you all now that. "

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396910.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/396910.page GMT Wow, 15 pages long disussion about Ziva and Gibbs Thanks for the reminder of good episodes, I watched Switch the other day and I had totally forgotten the awsomeness in that elevator scene, even if the elevator scene in Silver War is even better IMHO. Their whole dialoge is so amazing! How they smile and joke around and then get all serious again before walking out. As you have proably guessed by now I really think Ziva and Gibbs would be a great match! And as someone stated not only because of the ship potential but also because it would make a really intresting storyline. Just imagine the havok the secret about Ari potentially could make. Let's hope the writers eventually dare to walk down that route! How'b the last longer story arc So everyone can have fun scribbling their fanfics in the meantime!ShalomGibbs: Ziva! Look, I'm retired! I'm three thousand miles away! What do you think I can do that they can't do? Ziva: Honestly? I don't know. I was hoping, maybe . . . you'd save me? On a more humorous note, if you squint a bit, it's possible to interpret all kinds of things... Witch huntAbby: (watches Gibbs leave) Is there something I should know?Ziva: I think he's planning on devouring me.Abby: And they say blondes have all the fun.UntouchableAbby: Rough night?Ziva: Is there any other kind with Gibbs?Abby: It could be worse… It could be Saturday...Ziva: It is Saturday, Abby.Abby: See! It just got worse. Thanks

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/399000.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/399000.page GMT i dont think so, i like kate better, unfortunately she died. sadly!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/399036.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/399036.page GMT I loved Gibbs and Kate together.For a while I didn't even wanted to like Ziva(you see in my country the season with Ziva coming started later then in the United States or some other countries),but when I saw her first I really liked her.She's not the same as Kate more over even if she's a brunette like Agent Todd,she has a totally different character.She's a great girl though.By the way do you remember when Gibbs accidentally called her Kate?

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evah3 wrote:

ni - ht20 wrote:EEEWWWW!!! I could never even BEGIN to imgine the idea of Gibbs and Ziva together, involved, intimate, or whatever!! I mean come on... he's like old enough to be her DAD!!

"thanks" night20 After reading all these comments of Ziva & Gibbs togerther,I agree with EEEWWWW!!!! I was beginning to wonder if I was watching same show. It is NCIS, isn't it

Exactly because of that kind of posts I always thought the children must not have access to Internet.Yes,we do watch the same show-we just think one relationship has to include not only a "oh,they are so hot together"part-between Tony and Ziva I don't see the same unshakable trust like between Ziva and Gibbs.I wonder,since you don't like older man-younger woman relationship,will you say "ewww" to Abby,who dated her 65 years old biology proffessor?!

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dani_ncis wrote: Thanks Godness your POV is not that popular-otherwise we will not have a beautiful books like "Gone with the wind" and "Jane Eyre"

And so many wonderful novels and authors and movies that made us dream think Jane Austen, Mrs. Gaskell-- or tv shows couples... I agree with you, dani!

If you can't see a potential relationship,that doesn't mean it's not there -Kate's relationship with Gibbs is a fine example .

Or Tony with Abby...for example

Yes,that doesn't mean they have to hook up-but their tiny phrases makes me wonder about a possibility for that.

No, it doesn't...it doesn't mean that we want Gibbs and Ziva to hook up on the show now , but it might happen...and we just want to discuss the possibility

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moregoth wrote: Wow, 15 pages long disussion about Ziva and Gibbs

hi moregoth! welcome to the board and the thread!!

even if the elevator scene in Silver War is even better IMHO. Their whole dialoge is so amazing! How they smile and joke around and then get all serious again before walking out.

Oh, yes...I loved how right from the start they "got" each other...they've always been on the same page, even then!

As you have proably guessed by now I really think Ziva and Gibbs would be a great match! And as someone stated not only because of the ship potential but also because it would make a really intresting storyline. Just imagine the havok the secret about Ari potentially could make. Let's hope the writers eventually dare to walk down that route! How'b the last longer story arc So everyone can have fun scribbling their fanfics in the meantime!

I think the secret about Ari would make a terrific storyline for Ziva and Gibbs...but there are things about this season that have lot of potential too...just think about how many times now Ziva has said that as a soldiers she has to follow orders even if she doesn't like them, even if she doesn't agree with them. The more I watch the latest episode, the more I think that either Ziva figured out Gibbs plan way before the others or she's part of it (as one of the good guys, of course ) Glad to have you here

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mossadchick wrote:

Im a TIVA supporter not a ZIBBs supporter..

Then welcome to the Gibbs and Ziva thread. I won't even ask why a TIVA is on a ZIBBS thread...

why?A) Gibbs is too old for ZivaB)Gibbs and Ziva have more of a father-daughter relationshipc)and tony+Ziva have great chemestry and make a cuter couple

a) Ziva and Gibbs wouldn't be the first couple both on tv show or in real life to get together despite the age difference b) examples? Lines, dialogues that specify that their relationship is father/daughter? c) As a Zibbs not a Tiva I find Ziva and Gibbs cuter...I don't like Tony and Ziva, but I respect everyone's opinion. For me Tony and Ziva are wrong on so many levels...but this is not the place to discuss this, since this is a SHIPPER thread about Ziva and Gibbs

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mossadchick wrote: Im a TIVA supporter not a ZIBBs supporter..why?A) Gibbs is too old for Ziva

I wonder WHY people are so purist about a older man-younger woman relationship.It's chauvinism!Like Abby said,dating older man is a singh of maturity.

Nina1976 wrote:

If you can't see a potential relationship,that doesn't mean it's not there -Kate's relationship with Gibbs is a fine example .

Or Tony with Abby...for example

Actually I was reffering to the age differences-I forgot about Abby and her 65 years old biology proffessor.But you are right.Tabby is my One True Pairing for the beginning of the show.

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dani_ncis wrote:

If you can't see a potential relationship,that doesn't mean it's not there -Kate's relationship with Gibbs is a fine example .

Or Tony with Abby...for example

Actually I was reffering to the age differences-I forgot about Abby and her 65 years old biology proffessor.But you are right.Tabby is my One True Pairing for the beginning of the show.

I was stuck on the phrase: "if you can't see a potential relationship, that doesn't mean it's not there" I've always loved Tony and Abby together, they have such an amazing chemistry they're believable as friends, possible lovers, coworkers ...even though after watching Judgment Day I cannot imagine Abby with anyone but McGee...the scene where Abby dops the cds actually made me cry But yes, I agree with you about the age difference...And I didn't even remember the tidbit about Abby dating her college professor.

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And I didn't even remember the tidbit about Abby dating her college professor. [/b]

S1- I'm not sure- maybe "Dead MAn Talking"

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dani_ncis wrote:

And I didn't even remember the tidbit about Abby dating her college professor. [/b]

S1- I'm not sure- maybe "Dead MAn Talking"

I remember Abby saying that.She doesn't care for age difference for sure.

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.Gi - bs-CID officer who is retiring(can't remember her name). I also think the Palmer-Lee relationship was good and should have been allowed to go longer. I do hope Lee's caracter is not killed or sent to jail, I like her, hope she stays around.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403263.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403263.page GMT But she did retire! And she went to Hawaii! And she left Gibbs alone to deal with his issues! And Lee...well, she killed poor Langer! I so miss him! anyway, welcome to the Gibbs and Ziva thread...

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403500.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403500.page GMT I thought Gibbs shot Langer

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403661.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/403661.page GMT Big NCIS fan ... I think Gibbs feels a special closeness to Ziva for both saving his life but also for causing her to shoot her own brother. Kinda of like a shared loss thing.Besides all this Ziva is in love with tony !!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/404122.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/404122.page GMT Ziva and Tony make the better couple but Ziva and Gibbs *ugh*

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littlegem7 wrote: Ziva and Tony make the better couple but Ziva and Gibbs *ugh*

You realize that opinion depence from a personal POV,don't you?

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maxx613 wrote: Big NCIS fan ... I think Gibbs feels a special closeness to Ziva for both saving his life but also for causing her to shoot her own brother. Kinda of like a shared loss thing.Besides all this Ziva is in love with tony !!

Love is such a strong word. IMHO.

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ditte3 wrote: I said earlier that yes Ziva had feelings for Tony,but I think after she met Roy (who died unfortunately)she discovered a highest level in love relationship.

I agree. Roy changed her...Ziva has never been the same since Dead Man Walking.

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littlegem7 wrote: Ziva and Tony make the better couple but Ziva and Gibbs *ugh*

In your opinion, yes...but, please, keep in mind that we don't have to agree with that I don't, for example

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405389.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405389.page GMT Ziva loves Tony ... because it's a "strong" and spontanious reaction or emotion ... remember that's she's away from home, different country, different culture ...

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405412.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405412.page GMT I do remember that she's away from home... anyway, since I do not ship Ziva and Tony together (hence my being in another thread ) although I think she has strong feelings for Tony I don't think she's really in love. That's just my opinion

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405431.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/405431.page GMT I know ... Sometimes I find it funny .. how we think we know the characters like they are real people ..

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maxx613 wrote: I know ... Sometimes I find it funny .. how we think we know the characters like they are real people ..

Not real people, but they're indeed very well written characters we care and are passionate about

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/406673.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/406673.page GMT Ziva show him who the boss is!!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/406716.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/406716.page GMT yes .. yes ... yesI couldn't agree we you more ... it's just when I fell strongly about a character or have an opinion about that character ... I have to keep in mind that it's fiction and I wouldn't want to offend anyone else's opinion of that character since there is no right or wrong answer ... yet. It's like my opinion of Gibbs and Ziva .. As a team member .. He respects her for her commitment to her job and he truly cares about her as a person.Outside of the office .. He cares about her like a daughter

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Abbyfan32 wrote: Gross that is what I think about Gibbs and Ziva together. I also think that Abby won't go for it.

Hi Abbyfan! why do you think is gross? And maybe, gross is too strong a word don't you think?...and I don't understand what Abby has to do with Ziva and Gibbs

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/408629.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/408629.page GMT Maybe gross is too strong of a word but Abby and Gibbs are close and she is protective of gibbs just like gibbs is protected over her that is why i think that Abby won't go for it. But I like to see Ziva with Tony because she is always worring about Tony.

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maxx613 wrote: yes .. yes ... yesI couldn't agree we you more ... it's just when I fell strongly about a character or have an opinion about that character ... I have to keep in mind that it's fiction and I wouldn't want to offend anyone else's opinion of that character since there is no right or wrong answer ... yet. It's like my opinion of Gibbs and Ziva .. As a team member .. He respects her for her commitment to her job and he truly cares about her as a person.Outside of the office .. He cares about her like a daughter

When did he treat her like a daughter? Showing concern, being protective, doesn't mean being a father figure. It means caring for a person...who happens to be younger than him I think Gibbs doesn't see the women working with him as surrogate daughters...because it'd be too painful for him. He had a daughter and her tragic, premature, unfair death was too painful...so much that he seldom says his daughter's name. You can replace a wife...but you cannot replace a daughter. Gibbs married other women, he had other relationships...but he didn't have other kids. I find this aspect of his background very telling. Besides, a father doesn't look at her daughter's bottom ...and it didn't happen just in Stakeout, but also in other episodes of the previous seasons (yes, I paid attention )

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Abbyfan32 wrote: Maybe gross is too strong of a word but Abby and Gibbs are close and she is protective of gibbs just like gibbs is protected over her that is why i think that Abby won't go for it. But I like to see Ziva with Tony because she is always worring about Tony.

You're right, Abby is very protective of Gibbs...I think she just wants him to be happy...and if he could be happy with Ziva, I'm sure she'd be the first one to give her blessing to him but that's just MHO As for Ziva worrying about Tony...well, she's a soldier, she cares about him, but she's very protective of McGee, Abby and Mr. Palmer too...it's part of what makes her such a wonderful character on the show

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hennypenny08 wrote: I don't think soooo, he's old enough to be her dad come on guys

It's chauvinism!Like Abby said,dating older man is a singh of maturity. I wonder how you will look on Abby's relationship with her 65 old professor/she mentioned it in S1/?!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/409170.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/409170.page GMT When did he treat her like a daughter? Showing concern, being protective, doesn't mean being a father figure. It means caring for a person...who happens to be younger than him I think Gibbs doesn't see the women working with him as surrogate daughters...because it'd be too painful for him. He had a daughter and her tragic, premature, unfair death was too painful...so much that he seldom says his daughter's name. You can replace a wife...but you cannot replace a daughter. Gibbs married other women, he had other relationships...but he didn't have other kids. I find this aspect of his background very telling. Besides, a father doesn't look at her daughter's bottom ...and it didn't happen just in Stakeout, but also in other episodes of the previous seasons (yes, I paid attention) Hi Nina1976I see that you pay very close attention and also that you are very articulate. All I ask is that you be open to others possibilities.You don't replace people in your life, you can remarry and start new relationships but you always carry the baggage (for lack of a better word) of your past with you for the rest of your life. Maybe the women he married, after his first wife, were not the kind of women that he thought would be good mothers, maybe he thought he was too old, maybe, maybe ....... I didn't say he saw all the women working with him as surrogate daughters, I just get the impression that he feels closer to Ziva than others that have been on the show. Closer in the sense of shared loss, shared (non-sexual) emotions and maybe even shared life experiences.I think you are stretching the "bottom" thing, now you think that you know what's going on behind his eyes. You can look at things and see them as other than sexual. A smile can mean many things.... You should think about how old his daughter would be now, if she had not been killed. He may not say her name but that's just a guy thing (trust me). He listens to her voice on that old tape recorded, he names a boat after her and looked at that name on the back of the boat every night. I'd bet he doesn't go more than a few hours without thinking about her. Yes it's horrifically painful but it's also very very private for him.

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maxx613 wrote: As a team member .. He respects her for her commitment to her job and he truly cares about her as a person.

maxx613 wrote: I didn't say he saw all the women working with him as surrogate daughters, I just get the impression that he feels closer to Ziva than others that have been on the show. Closer in the sense of shared loss, shared (non-sexual) emotions and maybe even shared life experiences.

I don't want to interfere with the conversation between you and Nina-I just want to add that ditte 3 pointed out the same. I agree with her-they don't have a romantic feelings/yet /,but there is a strong connection between them-that is what makes us curious,beause such a strong connection can develop in many directions.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/409275.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/409275.page GMT Sorry ... I haven't memorized what others have had to say ... Just trying to state my own opinion

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hennypenny08 wrote: I don't think soooo, he's old enough to be her dad come on guys....maybe Tony and Ziva that would make more since, but what happene dto Tony's girlfriend, she's one sesson, and never heard of again in the next

But he isn't.

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maxx613 wrote: Hi Nina1976I see that you pay very close attention and also that you are very articulate. All I ask is that you be open to others possibilities.You don't replace people in your life, you can remarry and start new relationships but you always carry the baggage (for lack of a better word) of your past with you for the rest of your life. Maybe the women he married, after his first wife, were not the kind of women that he thought would be good mothers, maybe he thought he was too old, maybe, maybe ....... I didn't say he saw all the women working with him as surrogate daughters, I just get the impression that he feels closer to Ziva than others that have been on the show. Closer in the sense of shared loss, shared (non-sexual) emotions and maybe even shared life experiences.I think you are stretching the "bottom" thing, now you think that you know what's going on behind his eyes. You can look at things and see them as other than sexual. A smile can mean many things.... You should think about how old his daughter would be now, if she had not been killed. He may not say her name but that's just a guy thing (trust me). He listens to her voice on that old tape recorded, he names a boat after her and looked at that name on the back of the boat every night. I'd bet he doesn't go more than a few hours without thinking about her. Yes it's horrifically painful but it's also very very private for him.

Hi Maxx613 first, thank you for your words Since you're very articulate and a big NCIS fan as well, can I ask you the same openess you want from me?You ask me to accept the possibility that Gibbs sees Ziva as a daughter, but can you accept the possibility that he may not see her as a daughter, but as a friend? As someone he cares about? As I said in many posts before, I'm not saying that Gibbs and Ziva are ready to move in together and buy furniture but that their shared bond, their similiraties have lot of potential that could be explored by writers on the show.

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maxx613 wrote: Sorry ... I haven't memorized what others have had to say ... Just trying to state my own opinion

I understand that-but since so many people thought we are talking about Gibbs and Ziva "we are lovers" relationship,I just wanted to make things clear.

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Nina1976 wrote:

Hi Maxx613 first, thank you for your words Since you're very articulate and a big NCIS fan as well, can I ask you the same openess you want from me?You ask me to accept the possibility that Gibbs sees Ziva as a daughter, but can you accept the possibility that he may not see her as a daughter, but as a friend? As someone he cares about? As I said in many posts before, I'm not saying that Gibbs and Ziva are ready to move in together and buy furniture but that their shared bond, their similiraties have lot of potential that could be explored by writers on the show.

I'm always open to all possibilities with the NCIS show. I do agree that he cares about her and maybe as a friend as much as he is friendly with the other members of the team (I'm having trouble with the word friend in a boss / employee relationship). I think the writers have decades of exploration they could do. As a couple, the writers would have to overcome some of the past preferences of Gibbs character. But anything is a possibility

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dani_ncis wrote:

maxx613 wrote: Sorry ... I haven't memorized what others have had to say ... Just trying to state my own opinion

I understand that-but since so many people thought we are talking about Gibbs and Ziva "we are lovers" relationship,I just wanted to make things clear.

Again ... didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if you took what I said wrong. It's just that every coin had 2 sides. We are looking at the same coin but from different sides.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/411052.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/411052.page GMT O.k. I have to say the thought is gross. I love Gibbs and I love Ziva...but not together! I for one was hoping she would have jumped Tony in the elevator - now that was sexual tension at its best last week!

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maxx613 wrote: Again ... didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if you took what I said wrong. It's just that every coin had 2 sides. We are looking at the same coin but from different sides.

hehe-I thought it was me ,who said something offended-that's why I posted my last post-to make things clear.From my side,I want to say the same-I'm sorry,if something in my previous post made you feel uncomfortable.I think your posts are very perspicuous,and I agree with the most of the things you said-Gibbs really look at Ziva more like a friend/subordinate ,than anything else.....yet.Like you said,everything is possible.

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imwrite619 wrote: O.k. I have to say the thought is gross.

Why?

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dani_ncis wrote:

maxx613 wrote: Aga - n ... didn't mean to offend you and I'm sorry if you took what I said wrong. It's just that every coin had 2 sides. We are looking at the same coin but from different sides.

hehe-I thought it was me ,who said something offended-that's why I posted my last post-to make things clear.From my side,I want to say the same-I'm sorry,if something in my previous post made you feel uncomfortable.I think your posts are very perspicuous,and I agree with the most of the things you said-Gibbs really look at Ziva more like a friend/subordinate ,than anything else.....yet.Like you said,everything is possible.

Thanks for the perspicuous ... I've always had struggles with words. They seem so limiting compared to the thoughts behind them.

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pandapoop wrote: Heck no! what about the idea of ziva with dinozzo!

I am sure that there is somewhere on the board a thread about Ziva with DiNozzo...but I don't know where it is, since I'm not interested in them. I only come on this thread, the one about Gibbs and Ziva

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ditte3 wrote: This is a Gibbs/Ziva shipper thread,we discuss their relationship(of whatever kind it may be) and our thoughts about them.Everyone has Her/his own opinion.It's ok,but let's not go to a thread and say bad things.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying this!

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imwrite619 wrote: O.k. I have to say the thought is gross. I love Gibbs and I love Ziva...but not together! I for one was hoping she would have jumped Tony in the elevator - now that was sexual tension at its best last week!

Being grossed out is entirely subjective , I think. Please, remember that not every one is a Ziva/Tony...especially on a thread that is not specifically Tiva And besides...why is such a gross thought?

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maxx613 wrote:

I think the writers have decades of exploration they could do. As a couple, the writers would have to overcome some of the past preferences of Gibbs character. But anything is a possibility

Of course, the show isn't ending anytime soon...so, anything might happen. And right now, what really concerns me about the show...is what's happening with Ziva.... I can't help thinking about her scene with agent Lee...and the last scene of the episode...

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Nina1976 wrote:

maxx613 wrote:

I think the writers have decades of exploration they could do. As a couple, the writers would have to overcome some of the past preferences of Gibbs character. But anything is a possibility

Of course, the show isn't ending anytime soon...so, anything might happen. And right now, what really concerns me about the show...is what's happening with Ziva.... I can't help thinking about her scene with agent Lee...and the last scene of the episode...

Do you mean Ziva crying at the end and trying to show Agent Lee some concern? Maybe the writers are trying to expand her characters emotions. At times, she has acted a little cold blooded.Maybe her internal clock is ringing very loudly. Maybe she was just looking at Gibbs "bottom"

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/412499.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/412499.page GMT [ quote=maxx613] Do you mean Ziva crying at the end and trying to show Agent Lee some concern? Maybe the writers are trying to expand her characters emotions. At times, she has acted a little cold blooded.Maybe her internal clock is ringing very loudly. Maybe she was just looking at Gibbs "bottom"

maybe Actually I think I didn't explain myself very well, sorry! My concern about Ziva is because of things she's been saying ever since she came back, about following orders ...about being a soldier Agent Lee said that she didn't have to explain things to Ziva because she understood...The end scene (beautifully played by all the actors, btw), made me think a lot....about what might going on...And for once, shipper thoughts are far away from my mind I still don't make much sense, do I? I have a theory about Ziva and the phone call between Leon and Ziva's father. Maybe I watched too many episodes of the X-Files, back in the day

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/413705.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/413705.page GMT GROSS

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damejayne wrote: GROSS

And why are they gross? It's not statutory rape, I think. He is not her father!!!!!. You say they are gross? Tell us why My cousin is married with her college teacher, who is 20 years older than her and they are the happiest couple I know...Maria

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Nina1976 wrote: maybe Actually I think I didn't explain myself very well, sorry! My concern about Ziva is because of things she's been saying ever since she came back, about following orders ...about being a soldier Agent Lee said that she didn't have to explain things to Ziva because she understood...The end scene (beautifully played by all the actors, btw), made me think a lot....about what might going on...And for once, shipper thoughts are far away from my mind I still don't make much sense, do I? I have a theory about Ziva and the phone call between Leon and Ziva's father. Maybe I watched too many episodes of the X-Files, back in the day

I may have misunderstood the scene with Agent Lee and Ziva. I took it to be a ( both) stranger in a foreign land thing. (Going to have to re-watch the episode again).I was a little disappointed in the last show, when Agent Lee was killed. I have the impression that they were rushed to get it finished. Seemed strange to me that everyone wasn't wearing vests, seemed strange to me that they would risk the lives of all the other people at the restaurant. The whole episode just seemed a little off. I'm hoping that they have much more in store for Ziva, the character is great and the actress is great (except when she swallows a pill, that looked so phony).You get your point across and that's all that really matters. Tell me about your theory ? I'm intrigued !!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414113.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414113.page GMT maxx613, I also am pissed off that Lee was killed. Even though she wanted Gibb's to shoot, I don't really think he had to, it could have ended without her being shot. I guess they wanted to get rid of her character, BAD MOVE!!!!!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414451.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414451.page GMT Regarding the Ziva and Lee scene, I noticed that Ziva said she understood, but when Lee said, " You would of done what I did?" She didn't respond. I think Lee is an American so I don't think it has anything to do with both being from different lands. I think it has more to do with all the losses Zeva has endured. As far as Gibbs doing something different, that would have required more cooperation from Lee. It is possible she could have dropped down, like she did after the shots, exposing the shooter. However, between the wild gunplay and Gibbs' dizziness, he did the best he could to end it. While I liked Lisa Laperia I am glad they did not try to do something lame like make it all alright legally since she helped them out, and suddenly she's back in the legal department. That would have been infuriating, and I have seen it done.

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Nina1976 wrote: [ quote=maxx613] Do you mean Ziva crying at the end and trying to show Agent Lee some concern? Maybe the writers are trying to expand her characters emotions. At times, she has acted a little cold blooded.Maybe her internal clock is ringing very loudly. Maybe she was just looking at Gibbs "bottom"

maybe Actually I think I didn't explain myself very well, sorry! My concern about Ziva is because of things she's been saying ever since she came back, about following orders ...about being a soldier Agent Lee said that she didn't have to explain things to Ziva because she understood...The end scene (beautifully played by all the actors, btw), made me think a lot....about what might going on...And for once, shipper thoughts are far away from my mind I still don't make much sense, do I? I have a theory about Ziva and the phone call between Leon and Ziva's father. Maybe I watched too many episodes of the X-Files, back in the day

I agree the latest episode was beautifully played by the actors.The ending was very moving.I hope they take care of the child.

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damejayne wrote: GROSS

May I ask why do you think that way?

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ZDGMADP wrote: I like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva b/c they are pretty much the same person. They both keep their feeling bottled up and have gut feelings and they do like each other but the couple will never happen although that would be an excellent twist in the plot for sure!!!!!

Hi ZDGMADP welcome to the thread! I agree with you...it might never happen on the show...but if it did it would make a really good plot for the show!

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damejayne wrote: GROSS

Stating a reason would be nice... Oh, and it goes without saying, that after gross a IMHO would have been nice as well

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CSI_Bob wrote: maxx613, I also am pissed off that Lee was killed. Even though she wanted Gibb's to shoot, I don't really think he had to, it could have ended without her being shot. I guess they wanted to get rid of her character, BAD MOVE!!!!!

Yes,it he had to shoot-watch thishttp://img366.imageshack.u
s/img36 - /4790/hehadtodoitgd4.jpgCredit ncis-forever PS: If the link is screwed /the links here usually are/ and can't open,you can look for the answer on imdb.com/ncis/-the thread is called"Why it had to be done. Definitively answered! (SPOILER) EP: Dagger 6x9"-ncis-forever posted pictures,on which can be seen the gun is pointed to the little girl-if the bad guy shoot once more,he definitely will shoot the little girl.Gibbs had a blured vision,because of the broken glass,and his gun hand is injured.He had no choice-and he didn't took lightly the fact he killed Lee-watch his eyes in the moment of shooting.

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maxx613 wrote: I may have misunderstood the scene with Agent Lee and Ziva. I took it to be a ( both) stranger in a foreign land thing. (Going to have to re-watch the episode again).I was a little disappointed in the last show, when Agent Lee was killed. I have the impression that they were rushed to get it finished. Seemed strange to me that everyone wasn't wearing vests, seemed strange to me that they would risk the lives of all the other people at the restaurant. The whole episode just seemed a little off. I'm hoping that they have much more in store for Ziva, the character is great and the actress is great (except when she swallows a pill, that looked so phony).You get your point across and that's all that really matters. Tell me about your theory ? I'm intrigued !!

Maxx613, I agree with what you said about the episode...I was a little disappointed too when agent Lee was killed. I got the same impression you did, that the last part was a bit rushed. Maybe they weren't wearing vests because they were "undercover"? It was strange that there wasn't any sniper on the roof or that not one of the other agents had the time to go outside the pub and shoot at the guy in the back of the head I too hope they have more in store for Ziva, I just fear of what it might be...Since she came back...there have been hints about her receiving orders that she doesn't like...now, I may be paranoid but IMHO...there's something she's hiding from the team...I don't know, maybe a mission for Mossad...or maybe an order given by her father she will have to follow toward the end of the season. About the last scene...to me she looked like she was heartbroken over something....it was a very intense scene, one of the best the actors have had...so much went on without lines...it was really brilliant!

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emruth wrote: Regarding the Ziva and Lee scene, I noticed that Ziva said she understood, but when Lee said, " You would of done what I did?" She didn't respond. I think Lee is an American so I don't think it has anything to do with both being from different lands. I think it has more to do with all the losses Zeva has endured. As far as Gibbs doing something different, that would have required more cooperation from Lee. It is possible she could have dropped down, like she did after the shots, exposing the shooter. However, between the wild gunplay and Gibbs' dizziness, he did the best he could to end it. While I liked Lisa Laperia I am glad they did not try to do something lame like make it all alright legally since she helped them out, and suddenly she's back in the legal department. That would have been infuriating, and I have seen it done.

Me too...and I hated every single second of it I agree with your interpretation of the scenes...I was never a big fan of Agent Lee, but Liza Lapira was very good in the last few episodes

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414927.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/414927.page GMT ..i like Tony and Ziva..i think they are good couple..Gibbs and the director his old partner is a good couple just dont break Tony and Ziva up...I love them

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/415818.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/415818.page GMT I don't have much of an opinion but i think either Tony/Ziva or Gibbs/Ziva would be ok. I kinda also agree that Gibbs/Ziva relationship is kinda more father/daughter and Ziva seems to like Tony a lot. Who knows? Maybe as the show progresses there'll be more insight as to all relationships i.e. Gibbs/Ziva, Tony/Ziva or even Gibbs/Abby

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/416048.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/416048.page GMT I felt that the moment that Lee and Ziva shared had more to do with the fact that Lee knew everyones background, which means she knew about what Ziva went through with Ari. Originally Ari was doing whatever she could to protect her half brother and then she ended up doing what she could to protect Gibbs. I think in that aspect thats what Lee was referring too, I don't think it had anything to do with both of them being foreign, I think Lee was American anyways. I also think it may have been Lee's way of playing off of the fact that Ziva is a woman. I still would never see Ziva and Gibbs as an item. Gibbs has these paternal instincts with all the members of his team, so I can't say that I could envision those two as an item. They all are like his children, each playing a different role and serving their own purpose in his family! If ever I were to think Gibbs would have anything close to a relationship with anyone he worked with, it would have been obviously Jenny, and maybe Kate (although I wouldn't have wanted to see that either). welcome to the boards Jellobunny3

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sweetbleu88 wrote: I felt that the moment that Lee and Ziva shared had more to do with the fact that Lee knew everyones background, which means she knew about what Ziva went through with Ari. Originally Ari was doing whatever she could to protect her half brother and then she ended up doing what she could to protect Gibbs. I think in that aspect thats what Lee was referring too, I don't think it had anything to do with both of them being foreign, I think Lee was American anyways. I also think it may have been Lee's way of playing off of the fact that Ziva is a woman. I still would never see Ziva and Gibbs as an item. Gibbs has these paternal instincts with all the members of his team, so I can't say that I could envision those two as an item. They all are like his children, each playing a different role and serving their own purpose in his family! If ever I were to think Gibbs would have anything close to a relationship with anyone he worked with, it would have been obviously Jenny, and maybe Kate (although I wouldn't have wanted to see that either). welcome to the boards Jellobunny3

First off: Thanks! Second: I think what you said about Gibbs' paternal instincts may be more on the mark than my observation. It may turn out that's what happens. I think I'm more of a fan of McGee/Abby fan though

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sweetbleu88 wrote: I still would never see Ziva and Gibbs as an item. Gibbs has these paternal instincts with all the members of his team, so I can't say that I could envision those two as an item. They all are like his children, each playing a different role and serving their own purpose in his family! If ever I were to think Gibbs would have anything close to a relationship with anyone he worked with, it would have been obviously Jenny, and maybe Kate (although I wouldn't have wanted to see that either). welcome to the boards Jellobunny3 [/color]

Ziva really makes me curious.For a woman,who don't pay attention to Gibbs,she notice some very intimate pieces of detail about him.Not to mention she is always somehow on his face,always argue with him....that makes me wonder how she sees him.Gibbs on the other hand,don't show his emotions,and somehow is not interested in her,but his heart speed up,when she was injured in "Recoil"-I know he acts that way to everybody,but the look he gave her,when he said"You OK?",and "I don't want to see you tonight",not to mantion the funny looks he gave her everytime she said"I'm fine"...The all thing is very interesting! As for paternal feeling,Gibbs react that way to all of his team,it's a Marine-and a Boss- thing-he have to be sure all of them are safe and unharmed-that doesn't mean he doesn't have feelings to them.I liked the tension between him and Kate-they probably never would hook up on the show,but their relationship born the best fanfiction writters -the fictions about Gibbs and Ziva are one of the best too.

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tonysgrlncis wrote: ..i like Tony and Ziva..i think they are good couple..Gibbs and the director his old partner is a good couple just dont break Tony and Ziva up...I love them

hi tonysgrlncis! Welcome to Gibbs and Ziva thread...we all love the characters and have a favourite pair...to each his/her own

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Jello_bunny3 wrote: I don't have much of an opinion but i think either Tony/Ziva or Gibbs/Ziva would be ok. I kinda also agree that Gibbs/Ziva relationship is kinda more father/daughter and Ziva seems to like Tony a lot. Who knows? Maybe as the show progresses there'll be more insight as to all relationships i.e. Gibbs/Ziva, Tony/Ziva or even Gibbs/Abby

First of all, welcome to the board and the thread Jello_bunny3 You're right about the fact that anything might happen on the show Its ratings are so good that I don't see it finishing anytime soon, so everything's possible As I said on many occasions on the thread I don't think Gibbs and Ziva have a father/daughter relationship...mostly because of their interaction in the show...Relationships are so complex that I don't think it's fair to label them like that Anyway, welcome again to the thread

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sweetbleu88 wrote:

I felt that the moment that Lee and Ziva shared had more to do with the fact that Lee knew everyones background, which means she knew about what Ziva went through with Ari.

Hi sweetbleu88 Am I the only one who wondered why Agent Lee knew so much about everyone? Personally it annoyed me that she used her knowledge to prove her point....but that's just me

Originally Ari was doing whatever she could to protect her half brother and then she ended up doing what she could to protect Gibbs. I think in that aspect thats what Lee was referring too, I don't think it had anything to do with both of them being foreign, I think Lee was American anyways. I also think it may have been Lee's way of playing off of the fact that Ziva is a woman.

Maybe...but I'm not sure whether the other know that Ziva killed Ari...it's still uncertain

I still would never see Ziva and Gibbs as an item. Gibbs has these paternal instincts with all the members of his team, so I can't say that I could envision those two as an item. They all are like his children, each playing a different role and serving their own purpose in his family! If ever I were to think Gibbs would have anything close to a relationship with anyone he worked with, it would have been obviously Jenny, and maybe Kate (although I wouldn't have wanted to see that either).

I think Gibbs cares about his team members, he feels the need to protect them, but it's part of his job, it's part of his training as a soldier, it's part of who he is...it hasn't to do with viewing them as his kids. I do not think he sees Ziva as a surrogate daughter (well, no surprises here, since it's a shipper thread and we discuss the possibility of a romantic involvment between the two of them :lol

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dani_ncis wrote:

Z - va really makes me curious.For a woman,who don't pay attention to Gibbs,she notice some very intimate pieces of detail about him.Not to mention she is always somehow on his face,always argue with him....that makes me wonder how she sees him.

Yeah, one can't help wondering...especially when she comments about his being "macho" or "manly"

Gibbs on the other hand,don't show his emotions,and somehow is not interested in her,but his heart speed up,when she was injured in "Recoil"-I know he acts that way to everybody,but the look he gave her,when he said"You OK?",and "I don't want to see you tonight",not to mantion the funny looks he gave her everytime she said"I'm fine"...The all thing is very interesting!

I agree.... the way he cried her name twice when he got into the warehouse...wow! It took my breath away for a moment

the fictions about Gibbs and Ziva are one of the best too.

True Very true

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/417309.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/417309.page GMT wow! Didn't expect everyone to have a response to mine! LOL! I do think that Ziva and Gibbs have a special relationship, but that is because they both are similar in many ways, they both share a lot in common, and they both bonded when Ziva had to kill Ari, it was a secret between the two of them, I think thats where his concern for her, and the looks they may or may not share have to do with IMO not the fact that he likes her romantically. I still see familial bonds, but everyone is entitled to their opinion right?! LOL! I don't believe the others knew about Ari and the fact that Ziva killed him, but I do believe that Lee knew because she had inside information on all of them. I enjoy coming on these shipper threads to read what the arguments are as to why some people ship for a particular couple, I may not always agree with them but I can appreciate a good argument as to why people feel that way, and then usually I like to just share my opinion. Some of the characters I can see as a couple more than others. There I think I may have addressed what everyone has said in some form or another.

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DaDriva92 wrote: I think it would be gross :S

Why do you think that way?

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DaDriva92 wrote: I think it would be gross :S But I can imagine Ziva and Tony, everytime they have one of those awkward moments I just hope they're about to do something drastic..

Why do you think it'd be gross?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/419507.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/419507.page GMT I don't think it would be gross. It would be different. However, once you get past thirty a few years difference doesn't mean as much. While Gibbs is protective of Ziva, as he is with all of them, in some ways its as if she is the one he views to be the most adult of the bunch.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/419512.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/419512.page GMT although they might make a good couple it would mess up the chemistry of the team.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420393.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420393.page GMT sweetblue I agree with everything you said except that Lee knew about Ziva killing Ari. Gibbs and Ziva were the only ones in the house.Gibbs reported he did it. And when Lee asked her if she would have done the same thing Ziva didnt answer her. If Ziva's people found out she killed Ari wouldnt that make Ziva a traiter in her fathers eyes and her country?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420572.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420572.page GMT Thank You! I said that because Lee had some classified information. She knew things that most of the others didn't so I wouldn't put the whole Ari thing past she. You raise a good point, especially since there is that long debate as to whether or not Lee is a traitor...ziva could quite possibly be viewed the same if it was found out.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420590.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/420590.page GMT I can't see Ziva and Gibbs together. They both tend to bottle themselves up and I can't see them sharing their emotions enough with eachother for it to go anywhere.The scenes I saw in Shalom and Hiatus seemed more father - daughter than couple to meKate and Gibbs - yesZiva and Gibbs - no

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prmcc26 wrote: although they might make a good couple it would mess up the chemistry of the team.

Maybe it could alter the chemistry of the team, but if the writers did it right, it could work.

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slaveathome wrote: If Ziva's people found out she killed Ari wouldnt that make Ziva a traiter in her fathers eyes and her country?

Maybe...although Ari was a traitor... IMHO a bullet through the head was more merciful than what her father would have done to Ari if she had brought him back to Israel.

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sweetbleu88 wrote: Thank You! I said that because Lee had some classified information. She knew things that most of the others didn't so I wouldn't put the whole Ari thing past she. You raise a good point, especially since there is that long debate as to whether or not Lee is a traitor...ziva could quite possibly be viewed the same if it was found out.

But Ziva did not betray her country, Ari did. She did the right thing IMHO, the only thing she could do. She saved her country, she saved Gibbs, and gave her brother a merciful death...Agent Lee killed two innocent men (I still miss Langer! ) and was betraying her country. The fact that she had a hero's death does not change what she had done. IMHO

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abbykadabby wrote: I can't see Ziva and Gibbs together. They both tend to bottle themselves up and I can't see them sharing their emotions enough with eachother for it to go anywhere.The scenes I saw in Shalom and Hiatus seemed more father - daughter than couple to meKate and Gibbs - yesZiva and Gibbs - no

Hi abbykadabby! You're right, they do tend to bottle themselves up...but if you pay attention, they're able to help each other expressing their emotions...look at Recoil, for example In which way did they seem like father-daughter to you in Hiatus and Shalom?

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Nina1976 wrote:

sweetbleu88 wrote: [col - r=blue]Thank You! I said that because Lee had some classified information. She knew things that most of the others didn't so I wouldn't put the whole Ari thing past she. You raise a good point, especially since there is that long debate as to whether or not Lee is a traitor...ziva could quite possibly be viewed the same if it was found out.[/color]

But Ziva did not betray her country, Ari did. She did the right thing IMHO, the only thing she could do. She saved her country, she saved Gibbs, and gave her brother a merciful death...Agent Lee killed two innocent men (I still miss Langer! ) and was betraying her country. The fact that she had a hero's death does not change what she had done. IMHO

I'm not saying that what they did was the same. I am in no way saying that ziva is a traitor or that what she did is anything close to what Lee did. I'm just saying that whether or not someone is a traitor all depends on who you ask. Depending on who you ask other relatives, other terrorists whatever someone could say that ziva betrayed her family or whatever it is they want to say. I don't think ziva is a traitor at all, I think she did what she had to do and she did the right thing, but someone else could easily say otherwise. It all depends on who you ask and where they stand on an issue. In the US we see Benedict Arnold as a traitor..in France I believe it is, he is seen as a hero. There is a gray area to the whole matter. By the way I miss Langer too, I would have loved to have seen him stick around, to see the dynamic he would have with Gibbs and Tony especially.

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sweetbleu88 [/quote wrote:

I'm not saying that what they did was the same. I am in no way saying that ziva is a traitor or that what she did is anything close to what Lee did. I'm just saying that whether or not someone is a traitor all depends on who you ask. Depending on who you ask other relatives, other terrorists whatever someone could say that ziva betrayed her family or whatever it is they want to say. I don't think ziva is a traitor at all, I think she did what she had to do and she did the right thing, but someone else could easily say otherwise. It all depends on who you ask and where they stand on an issue. In the US we see Benedict Arnold as a traitor..in France I believe it is, he is seen as a hero. There is a gray area to the whole matter. By the way I miss Langer too, I would have loved to have seen him stick around, to see the dynamic he would have with Gibbs and Tony especially.

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression I thought you were saying that Ziva is a traitor in no way I meant that! . I am sure Ziva's father would see her actions as a betrayal (although she saved his job as well)...I just thought that there were many differences between Ziva's situation with Ari and Lee with her daughter/sister... I miss Langer too, they underused Jonathan Lapaglia IMHO...I would have loved to see more of his interaction with Gibbs (which was great last season in Tribes)

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/423367.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/423367.page GMT No worries! I was trying to be clear, I thought maybe something got lost in translation! LOL! They did underuse J. LaPaglia, he would have been the only one out of those three that would have made for good tv if he stuck around.

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sweetbleu88 wrote: No worries! I was trying to be clear, I thought maybe something got lost in translation! LOL! They did underuse J. LaPaglia, he would have been the only one out of those three that would have made for good tv if he stuck around.

I couldn't agree more. He's a good actor...he isn't hard on the eyes and although Seven Days was a bit cheesy, he showed in it that he can do both comedy and angst and romance...and he was adorable in Moonlight last year

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/424705.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/424705.page GMT Actually, I loved Seven Days, and was highly disappointed when it went away. I have always been looking for LaPaglia to find another starring role. I was shocked to find out that he holds a medical degree in Australia and has worked as an E.R. physician. Maybe a medical show, he would definately know what he was talking about.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/424794.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/424794.page GMT Gibbs And Ziva thats hot Thought Gibbs Is Sexy No Doubt And Ziva too as a couple I would Love to see it If only in a Dream Scene Hot!!!!!!!!!

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IluvTony14 wrote: I'm sorry you guys but EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! TIVA 4 EVA!!

Could you please,tell us why you used "ewww"?That's childish-we are all mature people here,and we never actd that way to someone,who disagree with us.If you don't agree,at last tell us why you don't agree with us.Please?!

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superpal43 wrote: Sorry, I just totally don't agree. I think it'd be wrong. Just wrong!

And why is that? Do you have reason for this intense dislike? What is wrong with two adults who might find each other attractive and have a relationship? Wrong is a heavy word, you should, maybe, give reason for it Maria

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/425622.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/425622.page GMT To be honest, I'm sure there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults and all that. However, we are discussing two fictional characters and the same rules hardly apply. While I don't think anyone HAS to further elaborate on personal opinions (though it can be nice when they do), I will do so now. I don't think that Gibbs and Ziva fit. That is to say that on screen, which is the only forum for the two anyway, the two do not seem to be equals and thus not a good social match. Replacing Gibbs with another male from the team, like McGee, and this principle is clearly supported. McGee is far more naive than Ziva and less worldly, in this yes Gibbs may be the better choice. However, there is no indication that any choice should be made and quite frankly, Gibbs has less of a "softer" side to balance out the roughness that both he and Ziva possess and show the world. Both Gibbs and Ziva are strong and yes attractive characters, but they both need the balance of a partner with "more give" in them. As noted in the brief glimpses of Gibbs' past with his wife Shannon. Please forgive errors in grammar and spelling.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/425706.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/425706.page GMT I agree Gibbs & Ziva are not a good pairing thier relationship is built on work outside this forget it. They are too similar. Gibbs needs a women of strength but not with the baggage that Ziva would bring to the relationship, far too similar to Gibbs for comfort. Shannon was an equal but in a very different way. In my view Shannon understood and complimented Gibbs rather than competing with him as Ziva would do.

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Nina1976 wrote:

sweetbleu88 wrote: [col - r=blue]No worries! I was trying to be clear, I thought maybe something got lost in translation! LOL! They did underuse J. LaPaglia, he would have been the only one out of those three that would have made for good tv if he stuck around.[/color]

I couldn't agree more. He's a good actor...he isn't hard on the eyes and although Seven Days was a bit cheesy, he showed in it that he can do both comedy and angst and romance...and he was adorable in Moonlight last year

Oh yea def. easy on the eyes....he looks a lot like his bro too especially the nose. He was adorable in ML as Jackson, tho such a horrible to way to go...You guys on here can be pretty intense. Strong feelings on both sides and I can understand why you all would want a detailed explanation as to why or why not ziva and Gibbs should be together.

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superpal43 wrote: Sorry, I just totally don't agree. I think it'd be wrong. Just wrong!

Why do you think that way?

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M2Van wrote: I agree Gibbs & Ziva are not a good pairing thier relationship is built on work outside this forget it. They are too similar. Gibbs needs a women of strength but not with the baggage that Ziva would bring to the relationship, far too similar to Gibbs for comfort. Shannon was an equal but in a very different way. In my view Shannon understood and complimented Gibbs rather than competing with him as Ziva would do.

I understand your POV,believe me,but I will agree with Scarlett's father ("Gone with the wind") -he told her that good relationship is that relationship,where the persons are simmilar.

I can understand why you all would want a detailed explanation as to why or why not ziva and Gibbs should be together.

hehe-just read the last 2 pages-people post only one word-"gross" or "wrong",and doen't even bother to explain why they think that way.

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superpal43 wrote:

However, we are discussing two fictional characters and the same rules hardly apply

. Hmm...so if we have to take this into consideration, what you write in the rest of the post doesn't apply as well. Don't you think? Either rules apply or not, this goes with every rule, I think

While I don't think anyone HAS to further elaborate on personal opinions (though it can be nice when they do),

Why? I would agree with you if the comments had been at least respectful, but one can't expect to go in a discussion thread say that "x is a gross" without other people asking a simple and, I think, legitimate, question One can say whatever he/she wants but, at the same time, one has the right to ask why the other person has an opinion

I don't think that Gibbs and Ziva fit. That is to say that on screen, which is the only forum for the two anyway, the two do not seem to be equals and thus not a good social match

.I'm sorry, I don't think that I agree with that. If I understood correctly for you Ziva and Gibbs do not fit because they are not equals? In which way they are not equal?

Replacing Gibbs with another male from the team, like McGee, and this principle is clearly supported. McGee is far more naive than Ziva and less worldly, in this yes Gibbs may be the better choice. However, there is no indication that any choice should be made and quite frankly, Gibbs has less of a "softer" side to balance out the roughness that both he and Ziva possess and show the world. Both Gibbs and Ziva are strong and yes attractive characters, but they both need the balance of a partner with "more give" in them. As noted in the brief glimpses of Gibbs' past with his wife Shannon.

First and foremost as for Shannon...we have to remember that the Gibbs we see in flashbacks, is not the same man that we see in the present. That Gibbs lost his wife, his daughter and became a spy ...it can't be compared to a marine who had a perfect life...who had lost that desire for revenge that his father talks about in Heartland. Plus, he's been trying to recreate what we had with a partner with "more give", as you put it, for years...and he didn't succeed. Maybe he'd need someone who understand that kind of darkness and who can pull him back, like Ziva is able to do...and like he can do with her. As for Ziva, we have seen how giving she is with the people she cares about...she looked very sweet and caring with Col. Sanders And...funny how you said that they're not socially equals, but you pointed out how similar they are personally

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sweetbleu88 wrote: Oh yea def. easy on the eyes....he looks a lot like his bro too especially the nose. He was adorable in ML as Jackson, tho such a horrible to way to go...You guys on here can be pretty intense. Strong feelings on both sides and I can understand why you all would want a detailed explanation as to why or why not ziva and Gibbs should be together.

He looks a lot like his brother...you're right He was so adorable in Moonlight, it was such a romantic story... And I still miss Moonlight We can be pretty intense, but I think that it's only fair to ask for explanations...since this is, after all, a discussion thread

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M2Van wrote: I agree Gibbs & Ziva are not a good pairing thier relationship is built on work outside this forget it. They are too similar. Gibbs needs a women of strength but not with the baggage that Ziva would bring to the relationship, far too similar to Gibbs for comfort. Shannon was an equal but in a very different way. In my view Shannon understood and complimented Gibbs rather than competing with him as Ziva would do.

I think that when a relationship is based on trust, deep respect and understanding that goes beyond professional life, anything can happen and I believe that's the case for Gibbs and Ziva.

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emruth wrote: Actually, I loved Seven Days, and was highly disappointed when it went away. I have always been looking for LaPaglia to find another starring role. I was shocked to find out that he holds a medical degree in Australia and has worked as an E.R. physician. Maybe a medical show, he would definately know what he was talking about.

I love too Seven Days, it had good plots and Frank B. Parker rocks! I didn't explain myself, sorry! The sfx could be a bit cheesy, but the stories were always spot on! I agree with you, he'd be great in a medical show...I would watch it religiously

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Nina1976 wrote:

abbykadabby wrote: I can't see Ziva and Gibbs together. They both tend to bottle themselves up and I can't see them sharing their emotions enough with eachother for it to go anywhere.The scenes I saw in Shalom and Hiatus seemed more father - daughter than couple to meKate and Gibbs - yesZiva and Gibbs - no

Hi abbykadabby! You're right, they do tend to bottle themselves up...but if you pay attention, they're able to help each other expressing their emotions...look at Recoil, for example In which way did they seem like father-daughter to you in Hiatus and Shalom?

I just read that and i TOTALLY agree about the father-daughter thing, that was actually my first thought about the nature of their relationship.

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tv_girl wrote: I think that Ziva and Gibbs would make a reaaaaaally awkward and weird coupling. I don't really have any reason for that, that I could explain, it just wouldn't fit right. Some things just weren't meant to go together.

But there has to be something,that bugs you on the thought about them like a couple-what is it?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/427370.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/427370.page GMT Gibbs and Ziva? Are you kidding me? Tony has always had the hots for Ziva. Except for the short time he had that girlfriend of his; I forgot what season that was. Anyway, Ziva always seems to wonder why Tony acts so childish, but I think she really like that part about him. [b]

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tv_girl wrote: I just read that and i TOTALLY agree about the father-daughter thing, that was actually my first thought about the nature of their relationship.

But they are not father and daughter and Gibbs does not treat Ziva as a daughter

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sweetbleu88 wrote: I miss ML too...still ticked off that it got cancelled! Yes it is fair to want an adequate explanation, I understand that.

Thank you . As for Moonlight, to this day I still don't understand why it got axed ...granted, the show needed a good story editor, but it had so much potential, especially now...with the whole Twilight mania

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tv_girl wrote: I think that Ziva and Gibbs would make a reaaaaaally awkward and weird coupling. I don't really have any reason for that, that I could explain, it just wouldn't fit right. Some things just weren't meant to go together.

Hi tv_girl welcome to the thread each and every opinion is accepted, what really matters is respect for other people's opinions As for me, I don't find it awkward and weird...quite the contrary if I must say I think that it might happen, I've seen stranger things happen on tv

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biggfanofcbs wrote: Gib - s and Ziva? Are you kidding me? Tony has always had the hots for Ziva. Except for the short time he had that girlfriend of his; I forgot what season that was. Anyway, Ziva always seems to wonder why Tony acts so childish, but I think she really like that part about him. [b]

Er...actually no, we're not kidding Well, he may have the hots for Ziva, but what he had with Jeanne in the fourth season was important, was meaningful for him, he loved Jeanne ...and it took him a very long time to get over their breakup. Anyway, this is not the place to discuss Tony and Ziva

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ncisbudlol22 wrote: Gibbs and Ziva is really gross. i mean, shes like 20 years younger than him.(no offense) I like the idea of Tony & Ziva. they look better together.also, think back to when they went to the ship where Tony was. He had pics of Ziva in a bikini on his wall. come on, duh he likes her!!!

First, this is not a thread about Ziva and Tony. Second, you say no offence, but your words are quite strong, don't you think? Does age really matter that much? Many couples nowadays are happily married despite the age difference Also, Tony had Abby pictures as well, and he sent her postcards, lots of them Please, remember that not everyone is grossed out by age difference, and that basing a comment on that fact alone is not fair. Anyway, welcome to the thread...

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Also, Tony had Abby pictures as well

"" FOR REAL? I dont remember that but i no he had pics of ziva in a bikini.& i guess it would b ok, but gibbs just got over jenny, did u think of that? also in a lot of ways, i think abby & mcgee should go out. come on, he was staring at her butt in the red jumpsuit things.

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ncisbudlol22 wrote:

Also, Tony had Abby pictures as well

"" FOR REAL? I dont remember that but i no he had pics of ziva in a bikini.& i guess it would b ok, but gibbs just got over jenny, did u think of that? also in a lot of ways, i think abby & mcgee should go out. come on, he was staring at her butt in the red jumpsuit things.

Yes, he had Abby's picture as well, and he sent Abby postcards...Now, I love Abby and McGee together (although part of me will always be a Tabby at heart ), I was just saying that he had other pictures as well.Oh, and do I have to say that Ziva hated those pictures? She threatened McGee when she found out he had them in his pc! As for Jenny and Gibbs...they had broken up long before Jenny died. They didn't get back together, although they had their chances to...He may be grieving for Jenny's death, but he doesn't seem heartbroken over that - and IMHO they should explore his feelings over that, to have a definitive closure over that storyline

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Red_John wrote: Gibbs is Ziva's AND ABBY's surrigate father, to think that they could have a romantic relationship is like okaying incest.

I'm sorry, last time I checked the word and the meaning of incest states that there has to be a blood relation between the people involved in a relationship...and it doesn't seem to be the case. So we're not okaying incest. The fact that Gibbs is older than Abby and Ziva doesn't mean that he is a father figure. Isn't it a bit reductive for the complex, wonderful relationship he has with both of them?

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ncisbudlol22 wrote: Gibbs and Ziva is really gross. i mean, shes like 20 years younger than him.(no offense)

So what?My uncle and his wife has 15 years age gap between them and they are married for 29 years,and still love eachother like in the beginning.Really,no offense and with all due respect,to deny a potentioal relationship because of the age is very unfair.Kate and Gibbs had one of the best chemestry on the show-and they had a big age gap too-does this made the show gross or uninteresting?No,not at all-one of the best scenes on the show were theirs.

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Red_John wrote: He is always there for them because they make him think of the daughter he lost, and what she'd be like if she were still alive. He projects his paternal feelings onto Abby and Ziva. That is his way of dealing.sorry for trying to help you from the inside....I guess I'll keep my mouth shut about the direction of the storyline.

No one said that you had to keep your mouth shut, far from it it's just that we see things differently. Incest is a very strong word that I do not think it applies to Gibbs and his relationship with Abby and Ziva. I see where the storyline of the show is going (Tony and Ziva) this doesn't mean I have to agree with that or that I have to like it I don't see the relationship between Gibbs and Ziva as you described it and I think I have the right not to, don't you think?

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dani_ncis wrote:

ncisbudlol22 wrote: Gi - bs and Ziva is really gross. i mean, shes like 20 years younger than him.(no offense)

So what?My uncle and his wife has 15 years age gap between them and they are married for 29 years,and still love eachother like in the beginning.Really,no offense and with all due respect,to deny a potentioal relationship because of the age is very unfair.Kate and Gibbs had one of the best chemestry on the show-and they had a big age gap too-does this made the show gross or uninteresting?No,not at all-one of the best scenes on the show were theirs.

Totally agree with you, dani

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/430499.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/430499.page GMT Sometimes I think I come from a different planet. In my world a man is allowed to be loving and protective towards a woman without being her father. And age differences... he's an adult, she's an adult. Unless he uses his position to force her to do him sexual favors I cannot see how a few years would matter.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/430579.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/430579.page GMT My husband and I have a 19 year difference. For me the thing with Gibbs and Ziva is not the age difference but the chemistry. I just don't see enough of it to make me a Gibbs/Ziva shipper. With the 1st season repeating on USA this week, I certainly see more chemistry between Gibbs and Kate. To me especially in the 1st episode. They even had a little tension, IMHO. I just think there is more chemistry with Ziva and Tony. Gibbs also had great chemistry with Jenny. Too bad they never really explored that.

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mwoods1977 wrote: My husband and I have a 19 year difference. For me the thing with Gibbs and Ziva is not the age difference but the chemistry. I just don't see enough of it to make me a Gibbs/Ziva shipper. With the 1st season repeating on USA this week, I certainly see more chemistry between Gibbs and Kate. To me especially in the 1st episode. They even had a little tension, IMHO. I just think there is more chemistry with Ziva and Tony.

I agree-they don't have that much scenes,where we can see the tension.But they have most of that,what makes one relationship successfull-they have simmilar POV on life,they trust eachother and they respect eachother.The sexual tension is the only thing,which we don't see on the screen,and I think it's mostly because they are very good with hiding their feelings.For me Gibbs looks at Ziva with a mix of friendship and curiousity-but he defenitely doesn't see her like his daughter-for me he acts to Abby a lot more like a father,than to Ziva.He knows Ziva can handle herself,and he is always there,where she is broken-remember "Recoil" and "Kill Ari II".Ziva is the one,who sometimes is a little ...harsh with Gibbs-no one of the team dare to make Gibbs uneasy.And she is the one,who makes interesting remarks about Gibbs-like about his sixpack. Ziva is more mature than Tony and McGee,and she have the same....bitter...life,like Gibbs-they both lost a lot in this life,and that draw people closer.Yes,this relationship may not turn into something more than a friendship-but I see in life that people,who have different personalities like Tony and Ziva, don't last long-in defence of Tony/Ziva pairing,i'll say that Tony grew up a lot since he met Ziva-that give me hope if they hook together,their relationship will last longer than I expected/and exactly that I like about that pairing-it was nice to see a grown up Tony,who fast overtake Ziva's life experiance/,but for now,Gibbs is the one,who is Ziva's equal on maturity. PS: About Gibbs and Jen,I'm sure Gibbs will not be fond of the idea to take Jen back in his life.

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Usicara wrote: Sometimes I think I come from a different planet. In my world a man is allowed to be loving and protective towards a woman without being her father. And age differences... he's an adult, she's an adult. Unless he uses his position to force her to do him sexual favors I cannot see how a few years would matter.

Thanks.Your post really made my day.

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dani_ncis wrote:

ncisbudlol22 wrote: Gi - bs and Ziva is really gross. i mean, shes like 20 years younger than him.(no offense)

So what?My uncle and his wife has 15 years age gap between them and they are married for 29 years,and still love eachother like in the beginning.Really,no offense and with all due respect,to deny a potentioal relationship because of the age is very unfair.Kate and Gibbs had one of the best chemestry on the show-and they had a big age gap too-does this made the show gross or uninteresting?No,not at all-one of the best scenes on the show were theirs.

I totally agree.For example Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones have a big age gap too,and they are happy(as far as I know).

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431186.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431186.page GMT Ncisislove: I'm delighted to hear that. I love making people's days. And I love your nick...

dani_ncis wrote: For me Gibbs looks at Ziva with a mix of friendship and curiousity-but he defenitely doesn't see her like his daughter-for me he acts to Abby a lot more like a father,than to Ziva.

Um. Lately I do get the impression that relationships that aren't supported by the poster are father/daughter or brother/sister around here. I'm not sure where you get the impression. Maybe my family is strange but we do not flirt and we do exchange details on sexlife or state of lingerie with our family members. Before you consider any pairing incestuous in fanon, please watch the relationship in canon and wonder if you would want a family to behave towards you like those characters behave towards each other. They're close-knit, they love each other. And I very much enjoy watching them. But before I ask my father if he gets a hard-on when I hug him, I'd rather move in with McGee when he gets transferred to his weather station in the antarctic...

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Usicara wrote: Ncisislove: I'm delighted to hear that. I love making people's days. And I love your nick...

dani_ncis wrote: For me Gibbs looks at Ziva with a mix of friendship and curiousity-but he defenitely doesn't see her like his daughter-for me he acts to Abby a lot more like a father,than to Ziva.

Um. Lately I do get the impression that relationships that aren't supported by the poster are father/daughter or brother/sister around here. I'm not sure where you get the impression. Maybe my family is strange but we do not flirt and we do exchange details on sexlife or state of lingerie with our family members. Before you consider any pairing incestuous in fanon, please watch the relationship in canon and wonder if you would want a family to behave towards you like those characters behave towards each other. They're close-knit, they love each other. And I very much enjoy watching them. But before I ask my father if he gets a hard-on when I hug him, I'd rather move in with McGee when he gets transferred to his weather station in the antarctic...

Hi Usicara and welcome to the board! You know? You've just become my hero!

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Usicara wrote: Ncisislove: I'm delighted to hear that. I love making people's days. And I love your nick...

dani_ncis wrote: For me Gibbs looks at Ziva with a mix of friendship and curiousity-but he defenitely doesn't see her like his daughter-for me he acts to Abby a lot more like a father,than to Ziva.

Um. Lately I do get the impression that relationships that aren't supported by the poster are father/daughter or brother/sister around here. I'm not sure where you get the impression. Maybe my family is strange but we do not flirt and we do exchange details on sexlife or state of lingerie with our family members. Before you consider any pairing incestuous in fanon, please watch the relationship in canon and wonder if you would want a family to behave towards you like those characters behave towards each other. They're close-knit, they love each other. And I very much enjoy watching them. But before I ask my father if he gets a hard-on when I hug him, I'd rather move in with McGee when he gets transferred to his weather station in the antarctic...

I didn't wanted to say I see Abby/Gibbs relationship like father/daugther-I only said that they have father/daughter moments- everyone of the team have that kind of moments with Gibbs.And I really can't see their relationship that way,because I never asked my father what's his underwear,like Abby asked Gibbs-if that's father/daugther conversations,I'll b very surprised. I'm sorry,if I didn't explain properly what I wanted to say.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431415.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431415.page GMT The fact that you all have come to the understanding that all television shows aim to have all their characters in sexual relationships disgusts me. No wonder people take issue with american television. I am quite pleased to recall I kept the BBC at close reach, for I beleive I will return to it permenantly. You have succeeded in ruining a perfectly pleasant show for me by making it into THIS.

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Red_John wrote: As I've said, I'll just keep my facts to myself, next time I converse with Cote I'll tell her she has no clue what she's talking about.

Please, don't twist what's been said to make a point We are just discussing a possibility, you are more than welcome to join the discussion in a constructive way...saying that we're okaying incest is not constructive, I think.

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Usicara wrote: Hey Nina! And thank you very much.

You're welcome

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ditte3 wrote: Sorry for writing again,but I read all your latest posts ladies and they are great.Thank you.

Don't apologize, I love reading your posts, the more the better!

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Red_John wrote: Gibbs is Ziva's AND ABBY's surrigate father, to think that they could have a romantic relationship is like okaying incest.

There is a big difference between saying "it is okaying incest" and "it is LIKE okaying incest." Things need to be read in the context that they are presented. Otherwise you get a bunch of people flying off the handle about something that wasn't infact said.

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Usicara wrote: Sometimes I think I come from a different planet. In my world a man is allowed to be loving and protective towards a woman without being her father. And age differences... he's an adult, she's an adult. Unless he uses his position to force her to do him sexual favors I cannot see how a few years would matter.

I absolutely agree with you!Maria

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Red_John wrote: The fact that you all have come to the understanding that all television shows aim to have all their characters in sexual relationships disgusts me. No wonder people take issue with american television. I am quite pleased to recall I kept the BBC at close reach, for I beleive I will return to it permenantly. You have succeeded in ruining a perfectly pleasant show for me by making it into THIS.

Well,i don't see that show to become close to the danger of bringing 2 of the main characters together-they flirt,but that's not hooking up...yet. From my POV,if we think logically,in S1 first ep.-YW - DPB add the reaheaded woman to prevent the tension between Gibbs and Kate.Gibbs and Jen had history,but they didn't get closer to the new relationship.Hollis and Jeanne had better chance to be in the relationship with the characters,because we didn't see them regulary and the chance for them to annoy us is little-but they are out of the show too.I don't think the main couple- Ziva and Tony - will hook up anytime soon,althought everything is possible.About the relationships in general-Tony's relationship with Jeanne made him grow upJethro relationship with Hollis made him think that it's time to leave Shanon and Kelly behind and to move on.I enjoy the cases they solved,but I don't watch the show only fo them anymore-for me the most inrigue part is the characters and their development-that is now,what makes me watch.I see 2 man-Tony and Jethro-both wonderful and funny,and sexy/McGee is cutie and easy can find a woman ,who willingly will share her life with him /-but they don't have someone to share the love they have in them.They can give so much-but they are single.I don't want that to continue-I want they to be happy,because I care for them.We will see more of the person and less of the agent,when the main characters are in a relationship.A little romantic,which will not take too much screen time,will be good for the show.We will how the character develope,instead of only "we solved the case-end of the ep."

Usicara wrote: Dani: I think the point is that they all have relationships that go beyond the normal definitions. I wouldn't want any of them to be in a familiar relationship for the simply reason that they do flirt with each other and sometimes rather bluntly so.

Absolutely agree.*nod* They care for eachother,but sometimes they really,like you said,"sometimes rather bluntly so",flirt with eachother.To me, this show is all about subtext. There is subtext out there for the hetero pairings since in actuality there is no true canon pairing for this show.

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Red_John wrote:

Red_John wrote: Gibbs is Ziva's AND ABBY's surrigate father, to think that they could have a romantic relationship is like okaying incest.

There is a big difference between saying "it is okaying incest" and "it is LIKE okaying incest." Things need to be read in the context that they are presented. Otherwise you get a bunch of people flying off the handle about something that wasn't infact said.

If I misread what you wrote I apologize, I didn't mean to. Would you, please, explain what exactly did you mean? Please, keep in mind, that we're just expressing our opinions, you may disagree...you may find them wrong, but try to respect them

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mwoods1977 wrote: My husband and I have a 19 year difference. For me the thing with Gibbs and Ziva is not the age difference but the chemistry. I just don't see enough of it to make me a Gibbs/Ziva shipper. With the 1st season repeating on USA this week, I certainly see more chemistry between Gibbs and Kate. To me especially in the 1st episode. They even had a little tension, IMHO. I just think there is more chemistry with Ziva and Tony. Gibbs also had great chemistry with Jenny. Too bad they never really explored that.

I totally respect your opinion, although I don't agree with it...but you're right about the chemistry thing, if you don't see it, it's hard to be a shipper of a fanon or canon couple

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431824.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431824.page GMT Dani: I think we're in agreement then? *rereads Red_Jon's post carefully* It's a comparison to okaying incest. We are not okaying incest as that, we are just doing something that is _like_ okaying incest.But if we are just doing something that is like okaying incest, are we still doing something wrong or not? I'm a bit confused, I fear.

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Usicara wrote: Dani: I think we're in agreement then?

Absolutely! And I'm sorry for misunderstanding with Gibbs/Abby relationship-English is not my language.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431931.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/431931.page GMT Oh it's perfectly alright my dear. I'm just making sure that people do not think you are agreeing with them when I'm quite sure that you would not wish to do so. -If anyone is in doubt about my words, please do watch _all_ the episodes, taking the relationship of doubt and asking yourselves if you would want _family members_ to treat each other that way. If not, please drop all charges of incest against the given couple. Rinse and repeat with any couple you consider incestuous. It takes a while if you need to do this with several couples, but if you pay close attention you might get two or three relationships done in one re-watch week. (Actually I think rewatching all episodes will already take more than a week these days, but I do not want to discourage anyone from the good cause.)

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Usicara wrote: Dani: I think we're in agreement then? *rereads Red_Jon's post carefully* It's a comparison to okaying incest.

Then I guess I hadn't misread the post, after all.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/432023.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/432023.page GMT Red's point is that you said that he claimed we were okaying incest. He actually compared what was said to okaying incest.You see, if someone looks like mid-twenties they can actually be late thirties.

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arsinoe wrote: I like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva. I don't know why since on some levels, I just don't think he would involve himself with someone he works with so closely. Yet I like the idea of Ziva and him. They make an interesting couple. What do others think???

Gibbs and Ziva as a couple? Nah. That's gross. But now, ME ane Ziva...well, that's hot! LOL

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/432436.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/432436.page GMT I just wanted to make sure you understand that NCIS is just a show and unfortunately the characters aren't real people-though we wish they were..............real NCIS agents are kind of...........uhhhh. But anyway, you probably cant get a date with any of them............unless they participate in the charity character date auction.

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neldog77 wrote:

arsinoe wrote: I like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva. I don't know why since on some levels, I just don't think he would involve himself with someone he works with so closely. Yet I like the idea of Ziva and him. They make an interesting couple. What do others think???

Gibbs and Ziva as a couple? Nah. That's gross. But now, ME ane Ziva...well, that's hot! LOL

Mmm...why gross? Besides that, I wouldn't mind a me / Gibbs couple either...but why gross?

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Red_John wrote: I just wanted to make sure you understand that NCIS is just a show..............real NCIS agents are kind of...........uhhhh.

Wow...really? They're not real agents? Gosh...

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/433710.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/433710.page GMT Not Oking incest but most people agree there is a tension between them most seem to think sexual may be it is father daughter what ever the case i still think that Mark Harmon is one Hot guy and would Love to meet him in person not for anything other than the fact to say That I have

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Red_John wrote: I just wanted to make sure you understand that NCIS is just a show..............

Really?!?!?!?!?! - !?!?!

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Red_John wrote: I just wanted to make sure you understand that NCIS is just a show and unfortunately the characters aren't real people-though we wish they were..............real NCIS agents are kind of...........uhhhh. But anyway, you probably cant get a date with any of them............unless they participate in the charity character date auction.

Believe me, I KNOW I can't go out with Gibbs ...or any of the characters. i know it's a show.But see,for me the show is not like any others.The character are unique,but still we can see them in the real life.This show is like a real life-well,with a little meander,because of the "this is a show " part.I knew people like Ducky and Abby,like Tony , Ziva ,Kate and McGee-I met them in my life-that's why I like this show.For me it's not Hollywood,not some fiction show-if it was,I'll be not concern about the characters so much.

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dani_ncis wrote: But see,for me the show is not like any others.The character are unique,but still we can see them in the real life. For me it's not Hollywood,not some fiction show-if it was,I'll be not concern about the characters so much.

I believe that when one cares so much about the characters, when one wish for them happiness it means that the writers of the show, the actors who played them have done more than their job...it's a compliment to their talent

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/437302.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/437302.page GMT I don't see them as Gibbs being a father,and the team as his children.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/444581.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/444581.page GMT I agree, I used to see that kind of relationship between Gibbs and Tony, but IMHO the dynamic within the series has lightly changed for the past two seasons But I never saw Gibbs treating Ziva as a daughter... ps: ditte3...I just love your icon That's my favorite picture, ever!

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Nina1976 wrote: I agree, I used to see that kind of relationship between Gibbs and Tony, but IMHO the dynamic within the series has lightly changed for the past two seasons But I never saw Gibbs treating Ziva as a daughter... ps: ditte3...I just love your icon That's my favorite picture, ever!

Thank you.I found it on some site.I don't remember who made the pictures.It is really a sweet picture.

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ditte3 wrote: Thank you.I found it on some site.I don't remember who made the pictures.It is really a sweet picture.

You're welcome! I don't remember either who took that pic...it's very sweet, I just love how they're both smiling

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dlanj wrote: I totally love them as a couple. <3

Welcome to this thread dlanj .Yes they are good together.

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dlanj wrote: I totally love them as a couple. <3

Hi dlanj and welcome to the thread

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/447277.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/447277.page GMT screw an interesting couple, he still had feelings for jenny. plus, you can tell in some episodes, that tonyis hot 4 ziva

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ncisbudlol22 wrote: screw an interesting couple, he still had feelings for jenny. plus, you can tell in some episodes, that tonyis hot 4 ziva

screw an interesting couple? It's not very respectful of other people's opinion! a) he still had feelings for Jenny? If so why didn't he get together with her? He had plenty of chances, but he chose not to.b) Tony is hot for Ziva? Well, he said he's got standard, otherwise he'd date Ziva...not very hot IMHO

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OYDV wrote: Gibbs and Ziva??? No way......I could see Gibbs and Kate as a couple, but never with Ziva....

I started watching NCIS after Kate died, from what I saw from reruns, though, they had a lot of chemistry and it's been a shame that it wasn't further explored...but, I'm curious as to why you don't like Gibbs with Ziva. Just curious

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Nina1976 wrote:

OYDV wrote: Gibbs and Ziva??? No way......I could see Gibbs and Kate as a couple, but never with Ziva....

I started watching NCIS after Kate died, from what I saw from reruns, though, they had a lot of chemistry and it's been a shame that it wasn't further explored...but, I'm curious as to why you don't like Gibbs with Ziva. Just curious

I'm starting to think that chemestry is the only thing,which is requirement for a relationship. I agree about Kate-but there's no way I could enjoy this 'ship as much as I do if Kate wasn't a strong female lead.Ziva is a strong female lead-I think that's obvious on the show. I also think that Gibbs after three divorces would know when to compromise and his personality is more similar to Ziva's than Tony's is and Gibbs and Ziva are more serious although they both have a softer side. One of the things I like about Kate's relasionship with Gibbs was trust-Ziva have the same with Gibbs-their relationship lay and is build on trust.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/447834.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/447834.page GMT I've only been watching for about a month, but it's readily apparent that Gibbs will never enter a romantic relationship with a woman under his command. Jenny Shepard was different; they were partners. Gibbs would never screw up the effective working of his team by hooking up with a subordinate. Besides, he's a father-figure to all of them except, of course, Ducky and Vance.Somebody asked earlier if Gibbs and Ziva had ever had a specific conversation about a father/daughter dynamic between them. Not as far as I know, and that's because the writers are better than that. They show rather than tell.

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dani_ncis wrote: I'm starting to think that chemestry is the only thing,which is requirement for a relationship.

No, it isn't! I said the word chemistry for lack of a better term... Trust, mutual understanding, similar values are key in a relationship

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marinesis wrote: Somebody asked earlier if Gibbs and Ziva had ever had a specific conversation about a father/daughter dynamic between them. Not as far as I know, and that's because the writers are better than that. They show rather than tell.

Hi marinesis! Welcome to the thread! The writers of NCIS are extremely good both at showing and telling As for Ziva and Gibbs relationship, there have been actual lines of dialogues coming from Ziva, which aren't exactly what a daughter would say about her father Ziva said that Gibbs' six pack is better than Tony's, for example When asked who Gibbs was in Recoil (season 5 episode 16), when she had to give an answer, the first thing that came to her mind was: "an ex boyfriend "Gibbs is very protective of all the members of his team, but this IMHO doesn't make him a father figure

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/448004.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/448004.page GMT I can't see Gibbs & Ziva togather as anything more then working partners. Now Ziva & DiNozo I might be able to understand. They have a relationship that is kind of "the guy that thinks like a teenager with an over active libido & the one lady that can control him. The seem to have a care & respect for each other that goes beond work. I could also see McGee & Abby as more then working partners. They seem to be protective & caring for each other. But I think if there started to be romantic undertones to the show, it woud distroy it (the show). One thing we don't need is for it to become a soap-opriea.

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marinesis wrote: I've only been watching for about a month, but it's readily apparent that Gibbs will never enter a romantic relationship with a woman under his command. Jenny Shepard was different; they were partners. Gibbs would never screw up the effective working of his team by hooking up with a subordinate. Besides, he's a father-figure to all of them except, of course, Ducky and Vance.Somebody asked earlier if Gibbs and Ziva had ever had a specific conversation about a father/daughter dynamic between them. Not as far as I know, and that's because the writers are better than that. They show rather than tell.

I can bet Gibbs was the leader in their mission in Paris-he was the agent with more experiance,so it's nornal he to be the team leader and he was the one,who made the final desicions.He and Jen had a relationship-Jen left him-that's why/that was never mention,but there were a strong indication/Gibbs made his rule #12-that's why he didn't want to be involved in a relationshi-not because the woman is under his command-that didn't stop him in Jen's case.Nina,the reply about chemestry wasn't ment to you,but to the reply you quoted.It said there was a chemestry between Kate and Gibbs,but not between Ziva and Gibbs-just wanted to point out that the chemestry is not all in one relationship.

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misterjames7 wrote: I can't see Gibbs & Ziva togather as anything more then working partners. The seem to have a care & respect for each other that goes beond work.

Between Ziva and Gibbs there is a lot more deep respect and care-because Ziva killed to sve Gibbs life,and later,in "Hiatus",she helped him to bring back his memory.She never did such things to Tony.She and Tony have other,yes,strong connection,but not like the one between Gibbs and Ziva.

misterjames7 wrote: But I think if there started to be romantic undertones to the show, it woud distroy it (the show). One thing we don't need is for it to become a soap-opriea.

I can't agree with this.The person shows like a character,when he is in a relationship.Yes,they act like a family-but they are first co-workers/because the job came first/,then they are friends-that's one of the reasons Tony to recieve so many slaps on the back of the head by Gibbs-some of the times hejust manage to be off topic.Same is with Abby-but she is always a Gibbs favorite,that's why he doesn't slap her like Tony.A little romantic,which will not take too much screen time,will be good for the show.We will how the character develope and we will be able to see a person behind the agent-like it was ,when Tony dated Jeanne,and Gibbs Hollis.

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misterjames7 wrote: The seem to have a care & respect for each other that goes beond work. But I think if there started to be romantic undertones to the show, it woud distroy it (the show). One thing we don't need is for it to become a soap-opriea.

So Ziva and Gibbs don't have care and respect that goes beyond work? No one wants NCIS to turn into a soap opera...but as ditte3 said, a little romance might give spice and salt to the show

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dani_ncis wrote: Nina,the reply about chemestry wasn't ment to you,but to the reply you quoted.It said there was a chemestry between Kate and Gibbs,but not between Ziva and Gibbs-just wanted to point out that the chemestry is not all in one relationship.

okay And of course I agree with you

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dani_ncis wrote: A little romantic,which will not take too much screen time,will be good for the show.We will how the character develope and we will be able to see a person behind the agent-like it was ,when Tony dated Jeanne,and Gibbs Hollis.

I couldn't agree more with you
It'd be nice to see more of their personal lives...it'd add something to the characters

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ditte3 wrote: A lttle romance will give spice and salt to a show.

I totally agree!Maria

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ncissw32 wrote: i think its akward he treats her like a daughter or family kinda like abby

Hi ncissw32 and welcome. We respect your opinion,but we don't see it that way.

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ncissw32 wrote: i think its akward he treats her like a daughter or family kinda like abby

But he firts with Abby-how that could be seen like a father behaviour?

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ditte3 wrote:

ncissw32 wrote: i think its akward he treats her like a daughter or family kinda like abby

Hi ncissw32 and welcome. We respect your opinion,but we don't see it that way.

What ditte3 said welcome to the thread ncissw32

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niki45502 wrote: I see Ziva and Gibbs in a more family way...Kate and Gibbs had chemistry but I think Ziva and Tony should get together. I can see the attraction between them.

Hi niki45502 Gibbs and Ziva family? Mmm---I really can't see them like that

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Jethro-Tony wrote: I personally do not like the Gibbs/Ziva pairing though I do like it if Abby is thrown in the mix. You may be able to find fanfiction of the Gibbs/Ziva pairing at ncisfiction.com

Hi Jethro-Tony There's some good stuff on ncisfiction.com, it's true

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lubbeelou wrote: hmmmm i dont really think Gibbs & Ziva, however Tony & Ziva maybe

Hi lubbeelou For me it's the exact opposite

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livlil wrote: Thats a horrible idea. 1st of all, Ziva is not a red head. GIBBS LIKES RED HEADS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! its just a horrible idea!!! thank u.

Oh...I did not notice that Col.Mann was a red head ... It's just a horrible idea ... without a reason ? Maria

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livlil wrote: Thats a horrible idea. 1st of all, Ziva is not a red head. GIBBS LIKES RED HEADS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! its just a horrible idea!!! thank u.

Strongly disagree-he liked Kate a lot,and flirted with her-and she has a dark hair-he is nort atracted to the readheads, he like them because his first wife was a readhead . The spirit is what he is looking for-not the color of the hair. Not to mention that Hollis was a blondy,and in "Dopelganger" he flirts-imagine that -with the blondy,who turns to be a murder.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469692.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469692.page GMT I don't see anything strange about a very good-looking man who happens to look older than his years, goes with a young, talented, experienced, young woman, who happens to have lived more than most people her age. Especially when they have a lot in common, think the same, finish off their respective sentences, see things the same way, respect each other, and are very professional. I think these two characters Ziva and Gibbs can be (if the writers agree) together in many ways, which makes the show all the more interesting. There was a hint somewhere that they are soulmates, I believe. I would see a relationship as theirs very normal, and organic. It would be very natural that there would be an attraction between them. Which at the moment there is, but it has not developed yet.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469758.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469758.page GMT Hiand welcome leroyswoman,I absolutely agree with you.I don't see anything wrong in such arelationship(they would have).Jethro is handsome,Ziva is pretty.They know,trust and respect each other.Sometimes we can even see somevery good scenes with them.I know she had feelings for Tony and looked sometimes jealous of the woman around him,but I noticed that she is aware of Gibbs good looks and I giggled a lot watching the episode Murder,where that young girl Rose had a crush on Gibbs.Ziva was quite annoyed.Even jealous.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469790.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469790.page GMT thank you for welcoming me here. yes, ditte3, your comments are very true. That little scene in Murder did give us a different perspective on Ziva as a woman. And I agree that she seemed jealous. It even made me realize that probably in the future we can get more intense scenes with Gibbs and Ziva, in all aspects. For starters, I would very much like to see them in a face-off of some sort, mainly of their wits and intelligence, and leadership.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469817.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469817.page GMT I would like to see them together more.They are great together IMO.I was thinking about how everyone,including Gibbs and Ziva said good bye to eachother,thinking that they will not see each other for a long time or almost never.I think all the characters missed each other.Maybe being apart made them think of each other(Gibbs and Ziva too)in a new way.I mean distance makes the hart go fonder.I like tje phone scene in Last Man Standing.Gibbs calls her.(I wonder how that phone call would have been if Michael Rivkin and Ziva's father weren't present.For a while she just simply gave answers,but when Gibbs said they mossed her she jumped up,picked the phone and said:I miss you too.All of you,even Tony.etc.I also loves the hug in the end.OK maybe I see to much into it.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469844.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469844.page GMT ditte3, I don't think you see too much into it, cause I see the same thing. I think we are seeing what the writers, director, producers, want us to see, and then they want to know our reactions. I, like you, want to see more scenes with Gibbs and Ziva together and I want to see their relationship develop. It would make it more interesting for me, at least.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469859.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469859.page GMT Yeah me too.I think Ziva had feelings for Tony.I think she wants a good relationship.She sees that Tony was in love with Jeanne and has changed a lot.But I don't think and Ziva doesn't think that Tony has the same felings towards her.In las episode she asked Tony if he nwanted a family or something like that.We can see many things into it including TIVA,but it says for me for sure that she's thinking of a real relationhip.This scene reminds me a litle when Gibbs asked her if she wanted children.I think she also grew in character,and being in love with Roy and losing him made her think about her life and love.Sory for talking too much.I think Gibbs is more a soulmate to her than Tony.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469904.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/469904.page GMT You are not talking too much, ditte3. I think there are a lot more things we could be saying here. I will always remember when the beautiful wife from Africa (I don't have the list of episodes with me, so I can't say the name of it) who came looking for her long lost husband, and she is talking to Ziva about what a soulmate is, and just when the lady was telling Ziva that she will know when someone is her soulmate Gibbs sticks his head in the doorway. That was a Zibbs moment! It really took me by surprise, and I felt the producers and writers were teasing us. Cause it was then that I realized how good Ziva and Gibbs would be together, and that they were truly soulmates, but are not realizing it yet. (And they still aren't), But at the end of the episode, there was Ziva all into her thoughts on the sidewalk in front of the house, and Tony passes by. She looks at him with the corner of her eye. Seems to me like wondering (sort of) if he is her soulmate.

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leroyswoman wrote: You are not talking too much, ditte3. I think there are a lot more things we could be saying here. I will always remember when the beautiful wife from Africa (I don't have the list of episodes with me, so I can't say the name of it) who came looking for her long lost husband, and she is talking to Ziva about what a soulmate is, and just when the lady was telling Ziva that she will know when someone is her soulmate Gibbs sticks his head in the doorway. That was a Zibbs moment! It really took me by surprise, and I felt the producers and writers were teasing us. Cause it was then that I realized how good Ziva and Gibbs would be together, and that they were truly soulmates, but are not realizing it yet. (And they still aren't), But at the end of the episode, there was Ziva all into her thoughts on the sidewalk in front of the house, and Tony passes by. She looks at him with the corner of her eye. Seems to me like wondering (sort of) if he is her soulmate.

Oh when I saw that scene my jaw has dropped.It was really unexpected.Then whenin the end Ziva tested Tony if he is her soulmate.Well for me it didn't seem so.

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Natk711 wrote: I think Tony and Ziva both have a thing for each other.

Hi Natk711.I didn't say Ziva and Tony don't have feelings for each other.I said that Tony really loved Jeanne.He grew in character.Ziva saw how much he loved that woman.He also fell for a guy,Rooy,who was really kinda soulmate to her.I like Tony Ziva flirting,but I don't see that real kind of relationship between them.Sorry for that.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470174.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470174.page GMT I think they have feelings for each other, but not in "that way", (sort of). But I can see Tony in a future epi looking for Jeanne again. He really loved her, no question, and that kind of love you can never forget. Besides, anybody can fall in love with Tony, he really is handsome, but Ziva (as a character) needs a man she can rely on and Tony IMO is not ready for that.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470308.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470308.page GMT ditte3, I like Tony and Ziva flirting too, but to me it's just like Tony and Kate flirting; not getting anywhere.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470317.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/470317.page GMT I also like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva. He is a person who is haunted by his past of his beloved Shannon and Kelly being murdered. I think Ziva is the one person who deeply feels his pain. I watch and tape all the show on usa network, and the chemistry is great. I also think that McGee and Abby would make a good couple. Tony also feels something for Ziva,but he keeps his feelings secret. This is a great show and I hope it continues for a long time. The cast is perfect for each other.memaw48

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leroyswoman wrote: ditte3, I like Tony and Ziva flirting too, but to me it's just like Tony and Kate flirting; not getting anywhere.

absolutely.We think the same way.Just like then,I thougth Kate and Gibbs were great together(really),now I think Gibbs and Ziva are better together than Tony and Ziva.

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joanne3148 wrote: I also like the idea of Gibbs and Ziva. He is a person who is haunted by his past of his beloved Shannon and Kelly being murdered. I think Ziva is the one person who deeply feels his pain. I watch and tape all the show on usa network, and the chemistry is great. I also think that McGee and Abby would make a good couple. Tony also feels something for Ziva,but he keeps his feelings secret. This is a great show and I hope it continues for a long time. The cast is perfect for each other.memaw48

Hi joanne3148. I'm hapy you like Gibbs and Ziva together.I also think it's a great show.All the characters are so loveable.when Kate died and Ziva came I thought I wouldn't like her.But I couldn't help but like her.She's a great girl indeed.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/471409.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/471409.page GMT When Kate died and Ziva joined the team in Silver War (great ep), I really didn't get her character until the elevator scene with Gibbs, and I was comparing her with Kate all the time. The ending of that ep made me think that maybe Ziva was not going to be a team member for long. But now I know that the Ziva character did wonders for the show.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/471645.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/471645.page GMT She beame really a part of the team.I think after season five eeryon in the team,-including Jethro-realied they miss her and each other.

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ditte3 wrote: She beame really a part of the team.I think after season five eeryon in the team,-including Jethro-realied they miss her and each other.

Oh yeah! totally. She is not Kate. I won't be comparing them two. Ziva is different and IMO suits better for Jethro as a partner. Reason why I insist, there should be more intense scenes written out for them together. As for the TIVA moment in Silent Night, I wouldn't say it was a TIVA moment at all. I would say that if it were me in that car with Tony, I would realize that he is not interested. Caring, but not interested.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472144.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472144.page GMT I'm sure Ziva noticed that he's not interested in family things.(Tony)

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I don't see anything strange about a very good-looking man who happens to look older than his years, goes with a young, talented, experienced, young woman, who happens to have lived more than most people her age. Especially when they have a lot in common, think the same, finish off their respective sentences, see things the same way, respect each other, and are very professional. I think these two characters Ziva and Gibbs can be (if the writers agree) together in many ways, which makes the show all the more interesting. There was a hint somewhere that they are soulmates, I believe. I would see a relationship as theirs very normal, and organic. It would be very natural that there would be an attraction between them. Which at the moment there is, but it has not developed yet.

Couldn't say it better.I hope you will not mind if i repost your answer to some posts,wich says "Gibbs and Ziva is gross",or "he can be her father"-we have a lot of these here.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472243.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472243.page GMT don't mind at all! Please do.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472259.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/472259.page GMT i think they are the best couple for the series.

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lunytigger wrote: i think they are the best couple for the series.

TRUE.Welcome lunytigger.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/473974.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/473974.page GMT I like the idea of gibbs and ziva.i think that is a good idea.Even though toni, magee, abby and everyone else would think it's weird

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475213.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475213.page GMT I can't see this at all. she doesn't have red hair. What is between gibbs and Ziva is respect. respect and trust. i am sure that can be said to be a great foundation for a relationship. I personally don't think that would be good nor fitting.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475330.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475330.page GMT Hi kayla_palmer.Good to know you find Gibbs and Ziva together a good idea. Hi JohanKris.During the 6 seasons of NCIS there were several non-redhaired women to whom Jethro was attracted to.

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JohanKris wrote: I can't see this at all. she doesn't have red hair. What is between gibbs and Ziva is respect. respect and trust. i am sure that can be said to be a great foundation for a relationship. I personally don't think that would be good nor fitting.

I already read that in other post,so I'll repeat myself.

livlil wrote: Thats a horrible idea. 1st of all, Ziva is not a red head. GIBBS LIKES RED HEADS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! its just a horrible idea!!! thank u.

Strongly disagree-he liked Kate a lot,and flirted with her-and she has a dark hair-he is nort atracted to the readheads, he like them because his first wife was a readhead . The spirit is what he is looking for-not the color of the hair. Not to mention that Hollis was a blondy,and in "Dopelganger" he flirts-imagine that -with the blondy,who turns to be a murder.

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dani_ncis wrote:

JohanKris wrote: I can't see this at all. she doesn't have red hair. What is between gibbs and Ziva is respect. respect and trust. i am sure that can be said to be a great foundation for a relationship. I personally don't think that would be good nor fitting.

I already read that in other post,so I'll repeat myself.

livlil wrote: Thats a horrible idea. 1st of all, Ziva is not a red head. GIBBS LIKES RED HEADS EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! its just a horrible idea!!! thank u.

Strongly disagree-he liked Kate a lot,and flirted with her-and she has a dark hair-he is nort atracted to the readheads, he like them because his first wife was a readhead . The spirit is what he is looking for-not the color of the hair. Not to mention that Hollis was a blondy,and in "Dopelganger" he flirts-imagine that -with the blondy,who turns to be a murder.

Well said dani_ncis.I think he was searching Shannon in redheads.But it's impossible to find a woman like her.Every human is unique.sorry for being so poetical.I know Shannon will always be in his heart,but he has to step further.I wish him happiness.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475446.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475446.page GMT I wouldn't say it's gross, but it's not something I'd get excited about. To me his soulmate died in Season 2, and there is no true replacement.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475987.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/475987.page GMT Welcome esyvinski.I know how you feel.I missed Kate a lot for a long time and thought nobody can replace her.OK it's true Ziva is not Kate,but she's just as wonderful person like she was.Jethro must find someone to be happy with,as well as Ziva.

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dani_ncis wrote: Strongly disagree-he liked Kate a lot,and flirted with her-and she has a dark hair-he is nort atracted to the readheads, he like them because his first wife was a readhead

You focused on the wrong part of my post. That was a joke, hence the carefully placed smilie. I just posted my thoughts after that. I personally neither see this happen not want it to happen. I am more on the lines of wondering if they will dig up a new regular or a semi-regular to hook up with Gibbs. I was of the impression that Mark is more into giving direction of the show, so I gather it will be his call.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/476368.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/476368.page GMT Jen Shepard forced Ziva into Jethro's team because... she liked her, she wanted Ziva to learn from the best like she did, (and in the process she got to be Jethro's lover, and although she still had feelings for him, she did avoid him because of her position as Director (?), although temptation was there for both of them); to me all are lame excuses. I concluded that it was really because she knew Ziva would be good for Jethro mentally and emotionally, which we all know has been proven time and again. Jenny's death made it more clear to me. We all know how good Gibbs and Ziva are at concealing their true feelings (specially Ziva) when others are watching. But when noone is watching it's a whole new ballgame. They are the only two characters who know all about each other. Their relationship has evolved and grown naturally, like in real life.

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leroyswoman wrote: Jen Shepard forced Ziva into Jethro's team because... she liked her, she wanted Ziva to learn from the best like she did, (and in the process she got to be Jethro's lover, and although she still had feelings for him, she did avoid him because of her position as Director (?), although temptation was there for both of them); to me all are lame excuses. I concluded that it was really because she knew Ziva would be good for Jethro mentally and emotionally, which we all know has been proven time and again. Jenny's death made it more clear to me. We all know how good Gibbs and Ziva are at concealing their true feelings (specially Ziva) when others are watching. But when noone is watching it's a whole new ballgame. They are the only two characters who know all about each other. Their relationship has evolved and grown naturally, like in real life.

I like how open Ziva is when there are just her and Jethro.

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ditte3 wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: Jen Shepard forced Ziva into Jethro's team because... she liked her, she wanted Ziva to learn from the best like she did, (and in the process she got to be Jethro's lover, and although she still had feelings for him, she did avoid him because of her position as Director (?), although temptation was there for both of them); to me all are lame excuses. I concluded that it was really because she knew Ziva would be good for Jethro mentally and emotionally, which we all know has been proven time and again. Jenny's death made it more clear to me. We all know how good Gibbs and Ziva are at concealing their true feelings (specially Ziva) when others are watching. But when noone is watching it's a whole new ballgame. They are the only two characters who know all about each other. Their relationship has evolved and grown naturally, like in real life.

I like how open Ziva is when there are just her and Jethro.

Exactly, ditte3! To me it is totally obvious. I expect the writers to take their relationship to another level (doesn't have to be romantic right now).

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JohanKris wrote:

dani_ncis wrote: Stron - ly disagree-he liked Kate a lot,and flirted with her-and she has a dark hair-he is nort atracted to the readheads, he like them because his first wife was a readhead

You focused on the wrong part of my post. That was a joke, hence the carefully placed smilie.

Sorry for the misunderstanding-but for me that smile is not an indication for a joke-that or that smiles really speaks to me that the person is just kidding.If you see the previous posts,you will see people use that smile to put some weight/accent on their statement .

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/476850.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/476850.page GMT The more you watch one of the episodes the more you realize that there are things that you didn't notice at first. It's not so much the words, it's the looks, and the expressions, and the hands. Things that are not obvious. Sometimes I was totally sure about the meaning of a look and in the second viewing, it doesn't mean the same thing. Plus there are things that are implied. (I love those). It was implied that something is going on between Ziva and Tony because Ziva's dad discovered that he visited her once a week. But, nothing in their demeanor showed that anything other than friendship was going on, even when no one was around. Not so with Ziva and Gibbs.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/478804.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/478804.page GMT daddy would chioce gibbs for her over tony

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leroyswoman wrote: The more you watch one of the episodes the more you realize that there are things that you didn't notice at first. It's not so much the words, it's the looks, and the expressions, and the hands. Things that are not obvious. Sometimes I was totally sure about the meaning of a look and in the second viewing, it doesn't mean the same thing. Plus there are things that are implied. (I love those). It was implied that something is going on between Ziva and Tony because Ziva's dad discovered that he visited her once a week. But, nothing in their demeanor showed that anything other than friendship was going on, even when no one was around. Not so with Ziva and Gibbs.

Exactly the way I see things. marysuethecat made a great videos about Ziva and Gibbs-she showed the looks between them,the little things I didn't see at all-they are called Far Away and Carry On ,and are really good.I was-and still am- a big Kate/Gibbs shipper,and at the first scene between Ziva and Gibbs I became a Ziva/Gibbs shipper/for the record,I like Tony and Ziva too-mostly because their relationship is different than Tony and Kate childish behaviour-Tony and Ziva have a real mature and interesting relationship/Ziva and Gibbs sweets better for me-if I have to choose beween Tony and Ziva and Ziva and Gibbs,I choose Gibbs/Ziva-it's not like Tony and Ziva don't have chemestry,just I like Gibbs and Ziva more.

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michelle_01 wrote: daddy would chioce gibbs for her over tony

hahaha-I agree! Attention!New great Zibbs fics Overseas by YelinaS.Caine Tango by taylorgibbs The second one is really HOT !

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dani_ncis wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: The more you watch one of the episodes the more you realize that there are things that you didn't notice at first. It's not so much the words, it's the looks, and the expressions, and the hands. Things that are not obvious. Sometimes I was totally sure about the meaning of a look and in the second viewing, it doesn't mean the same thing. Plus there are things that are implied. (I love those). It was implied that something is going on between Ziva and Tony because Ziva's dad discovered that he visited her once a week. But, nothing in their demeanor showed that anything other than friendship was going on, even when no one was around. Not so with Ziva and Gibbs.

Exactly the way I see things. marysuethecat made a great videos about Ziva and Gibbs-she showed the looks between them,the little things I didn't see at all-they are called Far Away and Carry On ,and are really good.I was-and still am- a big Kate/Gibbs shipper,and at the first scene between Ziva and Gibbs I became a Ziva/Gibbs shipper/for the record,I like Tony and Ziva too-mostly because their relationship is different than Tony and Kate childish behaviour-Tony and Ziva have a real mature and interesting relationship/Ziva and Gibbs sweets better for me-if I have to choose beween Tony and Ziva and Ziva and Gibbs,I choose Gibbs/Ziva-it's not like Tony and Ziva don't have chemestry,just I like Gibbs and Ziva more.

Great!!! I knew I wasn't just seeing what I wanted to see! It was not in my head. It's there; plain and simple. I'll make it a point to watch the Far Away and Carry On videos. And, oh, I so agree with your analysis of all these relationships. I just don't know how to put it into words. Thanx.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/478923.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/478923.page GMT Gibbs and Ziva? I'd rather see Gibbs and Jen's ghost get together and I DESPISE creepy.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479409.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479409.page GMT Hmm maybe not gross but I think Ziva and Tony make a way cuter couple! I think Gibbs looked good with Jenny, so it sucks that she died.

I'd rather see Gibbs and Jen's ghost get together

That would be a good idea though!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479468.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479468.page GMT Seriously...Ziva and Tony are the only logical way to go.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479718.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/479718.page GMT Joined the show midstream and am in love. As for Gibbs/Ziva, a big no. I believe he has more of a family relationship, like sister. I think it should be Tony/Ziva, I think they have both shown a little feeling for each other, in their eyes when they meet.

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CSI_Hart wrote: Hmm maybe not gross but I think Ziva and Tony make a way cuter couple! I think Gibbs looked good with Jenny, so it sucks that she died.

I'd rather see Gibbs and Jen's ghost get together

That would be a good idea though!

Are we thinking about the same person who left him a "Dear John" letter,always interfere with his case and flirted with him ,althought,like she said, there will not be"off the job",who didn't tell Gibbs or anybody else that his life was in danger?If that's the same woman,I don't think it's a good idea.

swiggett2000 wrote: Seriously. - .Ziva and Tony are the only logical way to go.

Why?BTW , I found NCIS to be one of the best illogical shows,if we are talking about feelings.

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bilwil62 wrote: Although Gibbs and Ziva would be interesting, Ziva is inlove with Danoza.

Danoza? I supose you mean Tony?If that's true,we never saw anything between them-I mean,outside of allUnder Cover " ep. in S3.They don't even kiss and Ziva said to her father in "Shalom " and to Gibbs that she and Tony are not involved .

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/480763.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/480763.page GMT Soooooo... everybody's choosing sides. We'll probably see Ziva with ... ... ... McGee!Nah. I'll take it back. The way Hollywood insists on sticking scripts up your nose nowadays it will probably be Ziva with Abby and Gibbs with that stuffed shirt who replaced Jen. They already screwed up Bones that way.

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emoelmo21 wrote: I think it is extremaly creepy if gibbs and ziva were an item. I mean they are like family. The only couple i want to see is abbey and mgee( Tim). Also gibbs and ziva come from totaly different worlds it would just be weird. Anyway the only person i could see with gibbs is the dead deractor.

For a family members they have a really a lot conversations about sex,and they flirt a lot with eacother.About Jen-I think you forget she was the person who left him a "Dear John" letter,always interfere with his case and flirted with him ,althought,like she said, there will not be"off the job",and didn't tell Gibbs or anybody else that his life was in danger because she didn't do her job in Paris.Gibbs didn't trust her,and the trust is a key for Gibbs in one relationship-I don't think he will be fond of the idea of him and Jen together.

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emoelmo21 wrote: I think it is extremaly creepy if gibbs and ziva were an item. I mean they are like family. The only couple i want to see is abbey and mgee( Tim). Also gibbs and ziva come from totaly different worlds it would just be weird. Anyway the only person i could see with gibbs is the dead deractor.

They are very interesting family-they ask eachother about their underwear and what turn them on-like Abby,always are curious about their boss personal life and are not afraid to ask and mock him about his marriages-like Kate,and they sometimes mock their boss about his good shape and his age -like Ziva.At last I don't act that way to my family members. About Jen-I agree with dani-Gibbs don't trust her-especially in the light of the facts she reject him twice.I don't think he forgive easily-especially in the light of the fact how she treated his team.

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dani_ncis wrote:

bilwil62 wrote: Although Gibbs and Ziva would be interesting, Ziva is inlove with Danoza.

Danoza? I supose you mean Tony?If that's true,we never saw anything between them-I mean,outside of allUnder Cover " ep. in S3.They don't even kiss and Ziva said to her father in "Shalom " and to Gibbs that she and Tony are not involved .

I think we have seen a lot between them. But in the end this can be just as much as anyone want to see as to what they saw. goes for the one on the page before talking about gibbs/Kate too. The actors try to portray things, the writers try to allude things and we viewers interpret that in different ways. Many times we probably interpret it in just the way we WANT IT to be, as much as the way it is.

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JohanKris wrote:

dani_ncis wrote: D - noza? I supose you mean Tony?If that's true,we never saw anything between them-I mean,outside of allUnder Cover " ep. in S3.They don't even kiss and Ziva said to her father in "Shalom " and to Gibbs that she and Tony are not involved .

I think we have seen a lot between them. But in the end this can be just as much as anyone want to see as to what they saw. goes for the one on the page before talking about gibbs/Kate too. The actors try to portray things, the writers try to allude things and we viewers interpret that in different ways. Many times we probably interpret it in just the way we WANT IT to be, as much as the way it is.

Actually,about Kate and Gibbs tension ,DPB commented on it in few interviews-it was not only based on the actor's play.I'm Tony/Ziva shipper too,so I can say that yes,there IS a tension-but there IS a tension between Ziva and Gibbs too-yes,that tension doen't possess the same sexual charge like bwteen Tony and Ziva,but still-it exist. And the tension is really strong-watch "Swtch"/I think there was the famous scene in the elevator,and later in the car,when Ziva was talking about her father/

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ncisislove wrote:

JohanKris wrote: I think we have seen a lot between them. But in the end this can be just as much as anyone want to see as to what they saw. goes for the one on the page before talking about gibbs/Kate too. The actors try to portray things, the writers try to allude things and we viewers interpret that in different ways. Many times we probably interpret it in just the way we WANT IT to be, as much as the way it is.

Actually,about Kate and Gibbs tension ,DPB commented on it in few interviews-it was not only based on the actor's play.I'm Tony/Ziva shipper too,so I can say that yes,there IS a tension-but there IS a tension between Ziva and Gibbs too-yes,that tension doen't possess the same sexual charge like bwteen Tony and Ziva,but still-it exist. And the tension is really strong-watch "Swtch"/I think there was the famous scene in the elevator,and later in the car,when Ziva was talking about her father/

Just saying about whatever we see. We can always make distinctions between what we see (which is different from person) and to what they mean. I am not denying that they meant to have Kate and Gibbs tension, I just didn't see it myself back when I watched those seasons. That the current tension now is between tony and Ziva should be pretty clear.Switch, that was a long time ago, in fact the third episode with Ziva in it. Three years ago. The innuendo between most characters have changed quite a bit since then. Just like any tension between Ziva and tony doesn't feel to be sexual anymore. More emotional. While I love this Tiva thing, I feel they neglected the others relations a bit. But all that may be just forthcoming. This is the good thing when there isn't as much a main cast as in other shows, they can just switch (pun!) attention and make it about Abby/Gibbs/Ducky/McGee/Other. Something like the "Jeanne" occuring character for someone.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/482086.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/482086.page GMT It's all about the job, the duty to perform, the knowledge, the standards, the morale, the country. That in essence are what Ziva and Gibbs stand for. In the end, they belong together. Whatever happens til then are good storylines, tensions (sexual or not) with one or the other, or who ever is slated to appear, special appearances, and a whole lot of patriotism. I believe that is the point this series is making, so I, for one, will enjoy each and every episode cause they reflect what my country is going thru now, seen through the eyes of the creators, writers, producers, cast, and crew. But when the time comes to give it a rest, I know Ziva and Gibbs will be together.

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JohanKris wrote: I think we have seen a lot between them. But in the end this can be just as much as anyone want to see as to what they saw. goes for the one on the page before talking about gibbs/Kate too. The actors try to portray things, the writers try to allude things and we viewers interpret that in different ways. Many times we probably interpret it in just the way we WANT IT to be, as much as the way it is.

Exactly. I was noticing how different people seem to get different things out of the same situations, each seeing what he or she wants to see. It's almost as if some thought NCIS was real life and it is possible to figure out what characters are thinking and feeling when they are really trying to figure out what the writers are concocting - however well or badly.

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Deon00777 wrote: In case you people haven't noticed Gibbs is sort of a bravo. I mean, you people can fantizise, but Gibbs will probably stay single the rest of NCIS.

He became bravo after the death of his family-before that he was a loving father and husband,and judging from his behaviour toward children and injured people,he still has a heart.Gibbs is "hard shell soft core" kind of guy.

JohanKris wrote: Switch, that was a long time ago, in fact the third episode with Ziva in it. Three years ago. The innuendo between most characters have changed quite a bit since then.

But her relationship with Gibbs didn't changed.I see underlying conflict between Gibbs and Ziva, brought on by a secret shared. A secret that somehow brings them close but also makes them vulnerable. THAT makes their realtionship so strong-Tony and Ziva don't have that strongkind of relationship until "Recoil".About Kate and Gibb-check your PM.

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ncisislove wrote: But her relationship with Gibbs didn't changed.I see underlying conflict between Gibbs and Ziva, brought on by a secret shared. A secret that somehow brings them close but also makes them vulnerable. THAT makes their realtionship so strong-Tony and Ziva don't have that strongkind of relationship until "Recoil".

I don't really see a "conflict" between Gibbs and Ziva. I only ever saw mutual respect and how she early on didn't really get him. As you said, their relationship didn't change. Exactly! is what I would say. Tony and Ziva have changed, a lot. they walked down a long road. From how she toyed and teased him to the current situation with a unsaid love. They are also the two persons on the show that changed the most since she came on the show.

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JohanKris wrote: I don't really see a "conflict" between Gibbs and Ziva.I only ever saw mutual respect and how she early on didn't really get him. As you said, their relationship didn't change. Exactly! is what I would say.

if something didn't happen,that doesn't mean it's can't happen-I was talking about the "who kill Ari" situation-there is always a possibility something to happen ,considering this unclear situation. And I want to be clear-I'm not talking between them exist a romatic feelings-they are alike,and that brings them together -don't you ever in your life felt close with a person,who you barely knew,and after you start to know him better, the admiration for him grew?Stuff like this happen in life,and that's the way I see the relationship between them.The growing admiration can and in the same time can't mean that there exist romantic feelings-but there is always a possibility for that.You know what the men say-"if a woman starts to sympathize with you,then her heart is half yours".

JohanKris wrote: Tony and Ziva have changed, a lot. they walked down a long road. From how she toyed and teased him to the current situation with a unsaid love. They are also the two persons on the show that changed the most since she came on the show.

Yes,they changed a lot-the trust between them is still in progress.Remember/ SPOILER/how Ziva attacted the guards in Dagger?Stuff like that makes Tony/Ziva relationship more stronger-but still,that bond is not like between Ziva and Gibbs.Ziva fought for Tony, after she knew him well -Ziva killed her own brother for a person she barely knew-Gibbs- before she knew him well - in that lies the big difference .

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ncisislove wrote:

JohanKris wrote: I don't really see a "conflict" between Gibbs and Ziva.I only ever saw mutual respect and how she early on didn't really get him. As you said, their relationship didn't change. Exactly! is what I would say.

JohanKris wrote: Tony and Ziva have changed, a lot. they walked down a long road. From how she toyed and teased him to the current situation with a unsaid love. They are also the two persons on the show that changed the most since she came on the show.

Yes,they changed a lot-the trust between them is still in progress.Remember/ SPOILER/how Ziva attacted the guards in Dagger?Stuff like that makes Tony/Ziva relationship more stronger-but still,that bond is not like between Ziva and Gibbs.Ziva fought for Tony, after she knew him well -Ziva killed her own brother for a person she barely knew-Gibbs- before she knew him well - in that lies the big difference .

Precisely, thank you for putting it so well. There is a big difference between both relationships. Gibbs and Ziva's relationship is stronger and based on reality, not on a "what-if".

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ncisislove wrote: Yes,they changed a lot-the trust between them is still in progress.Remember/ SPOILER/how Ziva attacted the guards in Dagger?Stuff like that makes Tony/Ziva relationship more stronger-but still,that bond is not like between Ziva and Gibbs.Ziva fought for Tony, after she knew him well -Ziva killed her own brother for a person she barely knew-Gibbs- before she knew him well - in that lies the big difference .

Now you hit the slippery floor. As you said, she fought FOR Tony. She didn't kill Ari FOR Gibbs, she killed him because of what he was. As said, she barely knew Gibbs, but she didn't let that stand in the way of her duty. I'd still agree that they got a powerful secret, but that I feel will instead be used to push Ziva and Tony away from each other if they get to close. If it will be used at all.

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JohanKris wrote: Now you hit the slippery floor. As you said, she fought FOR Tony. She didn't kill Ari FOR Gibbs, she killed him because of what he was. As said, she barely knew Gibbs, but she didn't let that stand in the way of her duty. I'd still agree that they got a powerful secret, but that I feel will instead be used to push Ziva and Tony away from each other if they get to close. If it will be used at all.

I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.She has a heart,and she mayby saw something in Gibbs,which made her to kill,not to wound , Ari.And "who kill Ari" is a great opportunity to bring some tension on the show-I think the writters will use it.Yes,revealing of this secret can bring to Tony/Ziva story some tension,but will bring far more tension to Gibbs/Ziva relationship -and will make their relation far more comlicated than Tony and Ziva/or Ziva and McGee,or Ziva and Abby...- the relationship between them will be the same like between Tony and Ziva-that secret will affect their relation with the same force,like between Ziva and Tony.Gibbs and Ziva,on the other hand- that I want to watch,if this secret is revealed/

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NCIS_Abq wrote: No that wouldn't be a good idea. Gibbs is too old and has had 4 wives. And Col. Mann and we haven't heard from her since she retired in season 5. Ziva is too interested in DiNozzo. Gibbs also has a rule about not dating co-workers.

Too old?!We live in 21 century-why the age has to be important in one relationship?If the people in one couple are mature enough,I don't see a problem!And Gibbs' rule #12 "never date a co-worker" is made after Jen sent him a "Dear John" letter-before that relationship Gibbs obviously had no problems to date colleague,since he dated Jen while they were on a mission.We never said Ziva is not interest in Tony-but she also take an interest in Gibbs.

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IMHO, I agree with anyone who thinks Gibbs and Ziva is a bad idea. As a couple, yes, they look great and there is probably some chemistry but that doesn’t mean it will be acted on. .

That's why we are talking about possibility for that relationship.

I agree with the age thing…Gibbs isIMHO, I agree with anyone who thinks Gibbs and Ziva is a bad idea. As a couple, yes, they look great and there is probably some chemistry but that doesn’t mean it will be acted on. I agree with the age thing…Gibbs is about 20 years older than Ziva. While Ziva is more mature than most people her age, look at the other women we’ve seen Gibbs with. Jenny and his third ex-wife, Stephanie, are probably the closest in age to Ziva and they’re probably 10 years older than she is. about 20 years older than Ziva. While Ziva is more mature than most people her age, look at the other women we’ve seen Gibbs with. Jenny and his third ex-wife, Stephanie, are probably the closest in age to Ziva and they’re probably 10 years older than she is.

To take dani_ncis words,to deny a potential relationship because of the age is unfair-if there is a chemestry and understanding between the people in one couple,then the age doesn't matter.My parents have 15 years age gap-and they are sill together after 20years of their marriage.i agree about Hollis-she is a great match for Gibbs-but Ziva is a strong woman too-just like was and Kate,and Gibbs had no problems to flirt with Kate even after he hired her,and he obviously doesn't have anything against dating co-workers,because he had a relationship with Jen-his rule #12 is made becaus Jen ended the relationship in a painful way,not because Gibbs had doubts about the relationship between colleagues/well,after Jen he have doubts,but before that he did't have./

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JohanKris wrote: She didn't kill Ari FOR Gibbs, she killed him because of what he was. As said, she barely knew Gibbs, but she didn't let that stand in the way of her duty. I'd still agree that they got a powerful secret, but that I feel will instead be used to push Ziva and Tony away from each other if they get to close. If it will be used at all.

So far so good.

I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.

Right. Mossad training is directed primarily at wounding dangerous traitors and putting them some place where they have to feed them for the rest of their life and hope they don't escape.

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JimLLL wrote:

I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.

Right. Mossad training is directed primarily at wounding dangerous traitors and putting them some place where they have to feed them for the rest of their life and hope they don't escape.

It's not about Mossad training -it's about the fact Ziva has a heart and is not a cold killer-not to mention this is her beloved brother we are talking aboit.

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ncisislove wrote:

JimLLL wrote: I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.

Right. Mossad training is directed primarily at wounding dangerous traitors and putting them some place where they have to feed them for the rest of their life and hope they don't escape.

It's not about Mossad training -it's about the fact Ziva has a heart and is not a cold killer-not to mention this is her beloved brother we are talking aboit.

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dani_ncis wrote: It's not about Mossad training -it's about the fact Ziva has a heart and is not a cold killer-not to mention this is her beloved brother we are talking aboit.

It's not about being nice; it's about knowing your duty and doing it - a totally unfamiliar subject in popular America today that has been replaced by squeezing money and/or power from anyone smaller than you, at any cost.

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JimLLL wrote:

dani_ncis wrote: It's not about Mossad training -it's about the fact Ziva has a heart and is not a cold killer-not to mention this is her beloved brother we are talking aboit.

It's not about being nice; it's about knowing your duty and doing it - a totally unfamiliar subject in popular America today that has been replaced by squeezing money and/or power from anyone smaller than you, at any cost.

Just for the reccord-i,like some of the viewers ,am not from America. I didn't say anything about beeing nice-the question is if Ziva can kill her beloved brother for someone she barely knew-duty or not,I don't think it's a easy decision-for anyone.

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dani_ncis wrote: Just for the reccord-i,like some of the viewers ,am not from America. I didn't say anything about beeing nice-the question is if Ziva can kill her beloved brother for someone she barely knew-duty or not,I don't think it's a easy decision-for anyone.

OK, not from America, "has a heart, "not a cold killer," etc. Just ways of saying she's too "nice" to kill a dangerous terrorist-traitor unless it's for the inane idea of being in love with someone she just met and has locked horns with several times.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/487450.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/487450.page GMT We all see what we want to see. Ever since Tony and Ziva went undercover in "under cover" as married assassins, we have seen the tension. It is obvious that they have chemistry but there is something beneath the surface that hasn't been explored yet between Gibbs and Ziva. I think the fact that they have had simliar relationships that didn't last is something that should be explored and dealt with. From there only time will tell. True, Jen and Hollis were good for Gibbs, but he will always love Shannon. All of his wives/girlfriends have either been red heads or blondes, so something different would be good. I am probably going out on a limb here but my gut tells me that in the final show (years from now) they will bring Shannon and Kelly back, that they were either in the witness protection program or Kelly survived and had amnesia. I also think that this will finally make Ziva admit her feelings to Tony about Gibbs but now that his family is back that it is best not to tell Gibbs how she feels and that Tony has always been there for her. But she might be too late because I feel like they will be bring Jeanne back too. Abby and McGee well duh that is obvious. They definately click. I am liking director Vance. We need to see more of him. Ducky needs a woman. Ok, sorry got off topic there. Um, back to Gibbs and Ziva, um definately! It could work. The writers of NCIS are creative. I think Mark Harmon and Cote de Pablo have chemistry anyways.

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JoAnna1275 wrote: We all see what we want to see. Ever since Tony and Ziva went undercover in "under cover" as married assassins, we have seen the tension. It is obvious that they have chemistry but there is something beneath the surface that hasn't been explored yet between Gibbs and Ziva. I think the fact that they have had simliar relationships that didn't last is something that should be explored and dealt with. From there only time will tell. True, Jen and Hollis were good for Gibbs, but he will always love Shannon. All of his wives/girlfriends have either been red heads or blondes, so something different would be good. I am probably going out on a limb here but my gut tells me that in the final show (years from now) they will bring Shannon and Kelly back, that they were either in the witness protection program or Kelly survived and had amnesia. I also think that this will finally make Ziva admit her feelings to Tony about Gibbs but now that his family is back that it is best not to tell Gibbs how she feels and that Tony has always been there for her. But she might be too late because I feel like they will be bring Jeanne back too. Abby and McGee well duh that is obvious. They definately click. I am liking director Vance. We need to see more of him. Ducky needs a woman. Ok, sorry got off topic there. Um, back to Gibbs and Ziva, um definately! It could work. The writers of NCIS are creative. I think Mark Harmon and Cote de Pablo have chemistry anyways.

I don't agree with everything, but that there is "something beneath the surface" between Gibbs and Ziva is something that I have noticed the writers toy and dance around occasionally. They are trying to please us shippers: sometimes Tiva, sometimes Zibbs. There are always hints here and there, teasers every now and then. BUT, knowing that Ziva will never show her true feelings no matter what, except to Gibbs (not always, of course, we know that she is unpredictable at times, even to Gibbs) well... it is obvious that we can never be too sure that the Tiva situation exists at all. And I have always suspected too that Jeanne is Tony's soulmate. As I've said before, in the end there will be Ziva and Gibbs. Now I add, or nothing at all.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/487729.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/487729.page GMT This is strictly my opinion on the subject of Zibbs vs. Tiva. Gibbs and Ziva are a much better fit with each other. They have both had to sacrifice a part of themselves for their duties. They've both done ugly things, that required them to be hard in a way Tony is not capable of being. They've taken lives for no reason beyond an order from a superior. They've both lost family to tragic circumstances and they've both sought vengence rather than "justice." There is a level of trust and understanding between them that I don't see with Tony and Ziva. Their chemistry isn't the loud, in your face kind of teasing that people see with Tony and Ziva, it's something much more understated. It's quiet and solid. The kind of thing that will endure. When Ziva was in trouble with the FBI, she ran to Gibbs' house. She called Gibbs, not Tony even though Tony was closer. She never hesitates to show her vulnerabilities to Gibbs. While she may have shown a softer side to Tony, at times, she's never opened up to him the way she does with Gibbs. When Tony was dating Jeanne, Ziva tried several times to show a softer side by offering him advice when he was having trouble. He was dismissive and condescending. Not exactly behavior that speaks of trust and respect, two things that are essential in any relationship. Anyway, that's just my take on it.

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leroyswoman wrote: I wonder...What ever made Ziva take refuge in NCIS to get away from Mossad? Because she wanted to learn from the best? Hardly. She is the best already. Because of Tony? I don't think so.

That is an easy one. She had to get away from Mossad because of her father and her half brother. Her conversation with Gibbs in the elevator confirmed that. If she came for anyone in NCIS as that time, then that person was Jenny.

ncisislove wrote:

Joha - Kris wrote: Now you hit the slippery floor. As you said, she fought FOR Tony. She didn't kill Ari FOR Gibbs, she killed him because of what he was. As said, she barely knew Gibbs, but she didn't let that stand in the way of her duty. I'd still agree that they got a powerful secret, but that I feel will instead be used to push Ziva and Tony away from each other if they get to close. If it will be used at all.

I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.She has a heart,and she mayby saw something in Gibbs,which made her to kill,not to wound

Why would she treat Gibbs in a special way? Why would she betray herself and not finish it off if there were someone else there? I feel you are just projecting your own feelings here. You like Gibbs and want these things to be true, when there is no foundation for this in particular. "She have a heart, that made her kill her brother for Gibbs". doesn't make any sense at all.

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luvthejem wrote: Gibbs and Ziva are a much better fit with each other. They have both had to sacrifice a part of themselves for their duties. They've both done ugly things, that required them to be hard in a way Tony is not capable of being.

Like throwing away the one he loved.

luvthejem wrote: It's quiet and solid. The kind of thing that will endure.

Like between siblings and friends.

luvthejem wrote: When Ziva was in trouble with the FBI, she ran to Gibbs' house. She called Gibbs, not Tony even though Tony was closer.

Her first reaction was actually to run to ncis. But because she was sought by FBI she couldn't and had to seek help outside the agency.

luvthejem wrote: She never hesitates to show her vulnerabilities to Gibbs. While she may have shown a softer side to Tony, at times, she's never opened up to him the way she does with Gibbs.

When has she actually opened up to Gibbs apart from early season 3?

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luvthejem wrote: This is strictly my opinion on the subject of Zibbs vs. Tiva. Gibbs and Ziva are a much better fit with each other. They have both had to sacrifice a part of themselves for their duties. They've both done ugly things, that required them to be hard in a way Tony is not capable of being. They've taken lives for no reason beyond an order from a superior. They've both lost family to tragic circumstances and they've both sought vengence rather than "justice." There is a level of trust and understanding between them that I don't see with Tony and Ziva. Their chemistry isn't the loud, in your face kind of teasing that people see with Tony and Ziva, it's something much more understated. It's quiet and solid. The kind of thing that will endure. When Ziva was in trouble with the FBI, she ran to Gibbs' house. She called Gibbs, not Tony even though Tony was closer. She never hesitates to show her vulnerabilities to Gibbs. While she may have shown a softer side to Tony, at times, she's never opened up to him the way she does with Gibbs. When Tony was dating Jeanne, Ziva tried several times to show a softer side by offering him advice when he was having trouble. He was dismissive and condescending. Not exactly behavior that speaks of trust and respect, two things that are essential in any relationship. Anyway, that's just my take on it.

Can't not agree. If you look at the big picture, their relationship is implied in no subtle way. In a working environment you can always tell who is with who, or not, despite the pretenses. Plus, we all know that not all the Giblets need a father figure.

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JimLLL wrote:

dani_ncis wrote: Just for the reccord-i,like some of the viewers ,am not from America. I didn't say anything about beeing nice-the question is if Ziva can kill her beloved brother for someone she barely knew-duty or not,I don't think it's a easy decision-for anyone.

OK, not from America, "has a heart, "not a cold killer," etc. Just ways of saying she's too "nice" to kill a dangerous terrorist-traitor unless it's for the inane idea of being in love with someone she just met and has locked horns with several times.

where did you read all that?!I
never said she is too nice to kill-I only said it is never easy to kill someone you care about,no matter what training you have .Let me clear things-can you kill your brother/sister/or a parent easy,without a second thought?I think it is never a easy decision.And I never said anythuing about "inane idea of being in love with someone she just met and has locked horns with several times."! I never said they have a romantic feelings-in most of my post I'm talking about possibilities-where in my posts you read something about that "inane idea of being in love "?!

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ncisislove wrote:

Joha - Kris wrote: Now you hit the slippery floor. As you said, she fought FOR Tony. She didn't kill Ari FOR Gibbs, she killed him because of what he was. As said, she barely knew Gibbs, but she didn't let that stand in the way of her duty. I'd still agree that they got a powerful secret, but that I feel will instead be used to push Ziva and Tony away from each other if they get to close. If it will be used at all.

I can't agree she didn't kill for Gibbs-yes,she killed her brother,because he was a liar,because he used her and because he was dangerous,but if someone was on Gibbs place,if someone different than Gibbs was in danger,I don't think she would've kill for him-probably she would wound him,but kill him-not likely.She has a heart,and she mayby saw something in Gibbs,which made her to kill,not to wound

Why would she treat Gibbs in a special way? Why would she betray herself and not finish it off if there were someone else there? I feel you are just projecting your own feelings here. You like Gibbs and want these things to be true, when there is no foundation for this in particular. "She have a heart, that made her kill her brother for Gibbs". doesn't make any sense at all.

My dear friend,we don't know eachother so well,so please,no offence,but don't assume that i'm "just projecting your own feelings here. You like Gibbs and want these things to be true.."If I can see that there is no romance between them ...yet/lol/ ,then I can see what the fact Zva killed for a completely stranger means for Gibbs and Ziva. Tp pherefraze paraphrase Gibbs word in JAG to Rab"could you kill your brother for a stranger?" My point was she can kill /she can wounded Ari-why she chose to kill him,especially in the light how close they were-Ari was very special person for her.Why she chose to kill,if she had a second option,which was to keep him alive/and the punishment will be even worst ,because Mossad don't take lightly the betrayal/.The one of the answers is because he will be a constant danger for Gibbs-and for her countlry.

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ncisislove wrote: My point was she can kill /she can wounded Ari-why she chose to kill him,especially in the light how close they were-Ari was very special person for her.Why she chose to kill,if she had a second option,which was to keep him alive/and the punishment will be even worst ,because Mossad don't take lightly the betrayal/.The one of the answers is because he will be a constant danger for Gibbs-and for her countlry.

I just don't see how that is different in any way from if that person had been ducky, Tony or Abby. I can't see her having had reacted in any other way had it been them. Hence why I say she did it for herself. Or her country if you will. I am sure she would have prefered someone else doing it, if possible. although I am sure she wanted to hear the confession herself.

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JohanKris wrote:

ncisislove wrote: My point was she can kill /she can wounded Ari-why she chose to kill him,especially in the light how close they were-Ari was very special person for her.Why she chose to kill,if she had a second option,which was to keep him alive/and the punishment will be even worst ,because Mossad don't take lightly the betrayal/.The one of the answers is because he will be a constant danger for Gibbs-and for her countlry.

I just don't see how that is different in any way from if that person had been ducky, Tony or Abby. I can't see her having had reacted in any other way had it been them. Hence why I say she did it for herself. Or her country if you will. I am sure she would have prefered someone else doing it, if possible. although I am sure she wanted to hear the confession herself.

Yes,I agree with almost you said-I have just one thing-if Tony,Ducky or Abby were on Gibbs place,I'm not sure Ziva will kill Ari.Wounded him-yes,but kill him..I doubt it.He acted like a bastard to Gibbs,and made him suffer-that was a part of Ziva's decision to kill,not to wound.Yes,I know my point is questionable,but "my gut" says that Ziva sympathize with Gibbs more because of the way Ari treated Gibbs,and because of his past.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/488574.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/488574.page GMT Hi everyone and happy belated Christmas! Wow...I've been out - damn cold from hell- for a few weeks, and I see that there are tons of new posts! I don't think I can ever catch up with all the posts...so...leroyswoman: hi and welcome! I've been reading your posts, and I can't help loving them I agree with basically everything you say dani, ditte3, ncisislove: I missed you guys! As for the whole Ari thing...and why Ziva killed him and for whom/what...well, I think Gibbs put it quite clearly: "You killed Ari---to save me"I don't remember Ziva denying that, or saying that she had killed her own half-brother for any other reason. As for projecting feelings and seeing what we want to see...well, some people on this board see Gibbs and Ziva as father/daughter ...when there hasn't been any objective, undeniable, solid evidence of that on the show.That's projecting feelings too

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Nina1976 wrote: dani, ditte3, ncisislove: I missed you guys!

*tackle hug*hey,we missed you too! Hope you are OK now.

Nina1976 wrote: As for the whole Ari thing...and why Ziva killed him and for whom/what...well, I think Gibbs put it quite clearly: "You killed Ari---to save me"I don't remember Ziva denying that, or saying that she had killed her own half-brother for any other reason.

hehe-first post-and strictly to the point!!!

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Nina1976 wrote: Hi everyone and happy belated Christmas! Wow...I've been out - damn cold from hell- for a few weeks, and I see that there are tons of new posts! I don't think I can ever catch up with all the posts...so...leroyswoman: hi and welcome! I've been reading your posts, and I can't help loving them I agree with basically everything you say dani, ditte3, ncisislove: I missed you guys! As for the whole Ari thing...and why Ziva killed him and for whom/what...well, I think Gibbs put it quite clearly: "You killed Ari---to save me"I don't remember Ziva denying that, or saying that she had killed her own half-brother for any other reason. As for projecting feelings and seeing what we want to see...well, some people on this board see Gibbs and Ziva as father/daughter ...when there hasn't been any objective, undeniable, solid evidence of that on the show.That's projecting feelings too

Thanx. I'm happy to be here.

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Nina1976 wrote: As for projecting feelings and seeing what we want to see...well, some people on this board see Gibbs and Ziva as father/daughter ...when there hasn't been any objective, undeniable, solid evidence of that on the show.That's projecting feelings too

The undeniable truth is that not even the actors know. The producer and the scriptwriters is the ones playing ball and they like to confuse us. Like in how agent afloat seemed to be a straight "Ziva likes Tony", but still they push out that thing about Ziva meeting and having someone in Israel. They put out hints in many directions and likes to play with the viewers, just to get us excited. They see how long they can tease us with something until they need a resolution. then possible they make sure to get back to a status quo. since Mark Harmon is among the producers now it will be interesting to see were he want his character to go. Personally I feel he really would need a new family and kids, to replace what he lost. thats just me though.Also, I am on the Tiva fence, I will fight you to the end! with sharp words and loads of wit.

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JohanKris wrote: The undeniable truth is that not even the actors know.

Yes, that much is true...but I was talking about the characters

Like in how agent afloat seemed to be a straight "Ziva likes Tony", but still they push out that thing about Ziva meeting and having someone in Israel. They put out hints in many directions and likes to play with the viewers, just to get us excited. They see how long they can tease us with something until they need a resolution. then possible they make sure to get back to a status quo.

So nothing is decided, yet and since the show is nowhere near its end (Shane Brennan recently said that he doesn't see why the show can't go on for other 5/6 seasons or something along these lines ), we cannot rule anything out...whether it's Tony/Ziva, Gibbs/Ziva or ...Ziva/Palmer

since Mark Harmon is among the producers now it will be interesting to see were he want his character to go.

I'm curious too, since he has such a long experience in the business...I'm sure we'll be pleasantly surprised

Personally I feel he really would need a new family and kids, to replace what he lost. thats just me though.

I just wish he had some well deserved happiness...and to me Ziva could make him happy...

Also, I am on the Tiva fence, I will fight you to the end! with sharp words and loads of wit.

I'm Zibbs, always been, ever since Kill Ari... but I won't use sharp words , I like wit, though...

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leroyswoman wrote: Thanx. I'm happy to be here.

You're welcome, and it's good to have you here

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/489392.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/489392.page GMT Read "somewhere" (read: the Tiva thread) that even Cote de Pablo is for Tiva because of what some people think she meant in the interview in the 5th season DVD. Knowing how secretive the whole production has been in the recent past and nowadays, I can only say that there is a 50-50 chance any which way. I would never be disappointed if that matter is never resolved, as long as there is hope for any of the two options (personally I'm all for Zibbs). On the other hand, if the producers decide on a Tiva solution I believe the show as a whole will make very little sense to me. Because then Kate would have died for nothing, Jeanne is somebody we should forget easily, killing Ari was pointless, "humanizing(?)" (for lack of a better word right now) a Mossad officer would be the purpose of the show; Gibbs should have stayed in Mexico, (I can go on and on). I vote for hope, you cannot get more real than that.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/489708.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/489708.page GMT OK, I keep hearing about how a top Mossad killer could have wounded Ari except for her feelings for Gibbs. Again I agree it might as well have been another team member. Ziva is a killer, not a wounder. It is her duty to kill a dangerous terrorist/traitor as she was trained to do. (And it isn't only most Americans who have utterly no clue about the meaning of duty.)Further, he had his finger on the trigger and the gun aimed. Had she been foolish enough to merely wound him at that advanced stage of the situation he would, without a doubt, have pulled the trigger - according to HIS training and hatred - and killed whoever he was aiming at, be it Gibbs or someone else.So when Gibbs memory came back enough to remember her saving his life he was certainly stating fact. A fact that would not be if she had ignored her deeply instilled Mossad duty - if she has merely wounded Ari.Deeply trained Israeli professionals, especially Mossad, simply do not play tiddley winks with duty. They know they cannot afford such hesitations such as McGee showed after being grilled for killing a cop or any departure from what they all know works. This is why I mentioned the popular American scene earier. There was a time when Americans had the same knowledge of the seriousness of stakes. Now they, like most Europeans, have no sense of duty, no grasp of what freedom costs - only an aim to live it up this minute or a rush to buy the next electronic gadget or shoot-em up game.For people like Gibbs and Ziva life goes far deeper. That is what makes them trust each other. That's what makes them "fit." Will it lead them to the horizontal tango? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe they'll know not to ruin a good relationship by messing around with it.

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JimLLL wrote: OK, I keep hearing about how a top Mossad killer could have wounded Ari except for her feelings for Gibbs. Again I agree it might as well have been another team member. Ziva is a killer, not a wounder. It is her duty to kill a dangerous terrorist/traitor as she was trained to do. (And it isn't only most Americans who have utterly no clue about the meaning of duty.)Further, he had his finger on the trigger and the gun aimed. Had she been foolish enough to merely wound him at that advanced stage of the situation he would, without a doubt, have pulled the trigger - according to HIS training and hatred - and killed whoever he was aiming at, be it Gibbs or someone else.So when Gibbs memory came back enough to remember her saving his life he was certainly stating fact. A fact that would not be if she had ignored her deeply instilled Mossad duty - if she has merely wounded Ari.Deeply trained Israeli professionals, especially Mossad, simply do not play tiddley winks with duty. They know they cannot afford such hesitations such as McGee showed after being grilled for killing a cop or any departure from what they all know works. This is why I mentioned the popular American scene earier. There was a time when Americans had the same knowledge of the seriousness of stakes. Now they, like most Europeans, have no sense of duty, no grasp of what freedom costs - only an aim to live it up this minute or a rush to buy the next electronic gadget or shoot-em up game.For people like Gibbs and Ziva life goes far deeper. That is what makes them trust each other. That's what makes them "fit." Will it lead them to the horizontal tango? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe they'll know not to ruin a good relationship by messing around with it.

...and? Does this mean that you are a Tiva shipper in the Zibbs thread?

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leroyswoman wrote: Read "somewhere" (read: the Tiva thread) that even Cote de Pablo is for Tiva because of what some people think she meant in the interview in the 5th season DVD.

Seems to be what she want.

leroyswoman wrote: Knowing how secretive the whole production has been in the recent past and nowadays, I can only say that there is a 50-50 chance any which way.

Watching season 6 I would say it is heavily tilted in Tiva favour.

leroyswoman wrote: I would never be disappointed if that matter is never resolved, as long as there is hope for any of the two options (personally I'm all for Zibbs).

Never resolved is IMO boring, especially in a longer run. Just as with any plot it can't be left open forever, people will lose interest.

leroyswoman wrote: On the other hand, if the producers decide on a Tiva solution I believe the show as a whole will make very little sense to me. Because then Kate would have died for nothing, Jeanne is somebody we should forget easily, killing Ari was pointless, "humanizing(?)" (for lack of a better word right now) a Mossad officer would be the purpose of the show; Gibbs should have stayed in Mexico, (I can go on and on). I vote for hope, you cannot get more real than that.

I can't really see much of connections here. I must assume you see Kate death only as being pointless because you saw her as someone for Gibbs. Tiva wouldn't make it any less pointless. (death is usually pointless) Jeanne is pretty long gone, time heal all wounds. Killing Ari certainly wasn't pointless... A mossad officier doesn't need to be humanized. As for Gibbs staying in Mexico, I am sure you didn't want that, which is pretty much the reason he came back.

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JohanKris wrote:

luvthejem wrote: Gibbs and Ziva are a much better fit with each other. They have both had to sacrifice a part of themselves for their duties. They've both done ugly things, that required them to be hard in a way Tony is not capable of being.

Like throwing away the one he loved.

luvthejem wrote: It's quiet and solid. The kind of thing that will endure.

Like between siblings and friends.

luvthejem wrote: When Ziva was in trouble with the FBI, she ran to Gibbs' house. She called Gibbs, not Tony even though Tony was closer.

Her first reaction was actually to run to ncis. But because she was sought by FBI she couldn't and had to seek help outside the agency.

luvthejem wrote: She never hesitates to show her vulnerabilities to Gibbs. While she may have shown a softer side to Tony, at times, she's never opened up to him the way she does with Gibbs.

When has she actually opened up to Gibbs apart from early season 3?

Okay, there are miles of difference between breaking someone's heart and ending a life. The two don't even come close to comparable.Do you see no similaritites in Ziva's relationship with Tony to that of siblings? The way they constantly try to irritate each other, the way they constantly bicker and sometimes they seem to disagree just to disagree. Are you telling me that a trained Mossad officer couldn't have disappeared without a trace, if she'd wanted to? Actually, her first stop was the Israeli Consulate. But when she found out she was wanted she went somewhere she felt safe, to contact someone that she thought could help her. She opted for Gibbs. She was crying in Gibbs hospital room in Hiatus. Or, when she called him to ask for help in Shalom. There was definite vulnerability in that call.

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JimLLL wrote: OK, I keep hearing about how a top Mossad killer could have wounded Ari except for her feelings for Gibbs. Again I agree it might as well have been another team member. Ziva is a killer, not a wounder. It is her duty to kill a dangerous terrorist/traitor as she was trained to do. (And it isn't only most Americans who have utterly no clue about the meaning of duty.)

To be killer doesn't mean she can kill a person she care about easy.

JimLLL wrote: Further, he had his finger on the trigger and the gun aimed. Had she been foolish enough to merely wound him at that advanced stage of the situation he would, without a doubt, have pulled the trigger - according to HIS training and hatred - and killed whoever he was aiming at, be it Gibbs or someone else.That doesn't mean she had to kill him-like ncisislove stated ,Mossad revenge for betrayal is far more worse option than to kill her brother.So when Gibbs memory came back enough to remember her saving his life he was certainly stating fact. A fact that would not be if she had ignored her deeply instilled Mossad duty - if she has merely wounded Ari.

That doesn't mean she had to kill him.If she wounded Ari,that is not betrayl to Mossad-Mossad revenge to Ari for betrayal is far more worse option than to kill her brother.

JimLLL wrote: Deeply trained Israeli professionals, especially Mossad, simply do not play tiddley winks with duty. They know they cannot afford such hesitations such as McGee showed after being grilled for killing a cop or any departure from what they all know works. This is why I mentioned the popular American scene earier. There was a time when Americans had the same knowledge of the seriousness of stakes. Now they, like most Europeans, have no sense of duty, no grasp of what freedom costs - only an aim to live it up this minute or a rush to buy the next electronic gadget or shoot-em up game.

In my POV that depence on the person-some people are good to kill a person they don't know anything about,and find it difficult to shot a person they care about.Depence what do you believe Ziva is like a person-I believe that Ziva most probably is a person,who will wound a person she care about-if she kill him/her ,there has to be a strong reason for that-other than the duty.Like I said,depence on your POV on Ziva.

JimLLL wrote: For people like Gibbs and Ziva life goes far deeper. That is what makes them trust each other. That's what makes them "fit." Will it lead them to the horizontal tango? Maybe. Maybe not.

You will probably not believe it,but exactly that most of us pointed in the posts above.

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luvthejem wrote: Okay, there are miles of difference between breaking someone's heart and ending a life. The two don't even come close to comparable.

Yes. But we are not measuring **** now are we?

luvthejem wrote: Do you see no similaritites in Ziva's relationship with Tony to that of siblings? The way they constantly try to irritate each other, the way they constantly bicker and sometimes they seem to disagree just to disagree.

Season 3 have passed. It was a long time ago. Not much bickering now, not even any irritation. Season 6 it is expecially different.While that is not how I play it with my sisters, I am sure some siblings bicker like that.While between Gibbs and Ziva there is not much apart from the working relationship and them respecting each other.

luvthejem wrote: Are you telling me that a trained Mossad officer couldn't have disappeared without a trace, if she'd wanted to?

I am saying she didn't want to. Because of her friends in NCIS. What she wanted was...

luvthejem wrote: Actually, her first stop was the Israeli Consulate. But when she found out she was wanted she went somewhere she felt safe, to contact someone that she thought could help her. She opted for Gibbs.

Your memory forgot one thing. She did go to their consulate, the purpose was to find out about the agent she saw. But she didn't begin with opting for Gibbs. The first thing she told the guys at the Israeli consulate was that she had to go to NCIS. That was her FIRST option. When they said that she was wanted she had to find another option. That option was Gibbs, he owned her a big favour after all (he said that himself) and was one of the few outside law enforment with the knowledge to help her.

luvthejem wrote: She was crying in Gibbs hospital room in Hiatus. Or, when she called him to ask for help in Shalom. There was definite vulnerability in that call.

Opening up for Gibbs.

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cazmcc wrote: sorry if I have a grammar mistake because I am not good in English very well ,because I`m Bulgarian

OMG-me too! Welcome to this forum.

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ncisislove wrote:

cazmcc wrote: sor - y if I have a grammar mistake because I am not good in English very well ,because I`m Bulgarian

OMG-me too! Welcome to this forum.

hahaha-me too! Welcome to this forum,cazmcc!I hope you will like it here.

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JohanKris wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: Read "somewhere" (read: the Tiva thread) that even Cote de Pablo is for Tiva because of what some people think she meant in the interview in the 5th season DVD.

Seems to be what she want.

leroyswoman wrote: Knowing how secretive the whole production has been in the recent past and nowadays, I can only say that there is a 50-50 chance any which way.

Watching season 6 I would say it is heavily tilted in Tiva favour.

leroyswoman wrote: I would never be disappointed if that matter is never resolved, as long as there is hope for any of the two options (personally I'm all for Zibbs).

Never resolved is IMO boring, especially in a longer run. Just as with any plot it can't be left open forever, people will lose interest.

leroyswoman wrote: On the other hand, if the producers decide on a Tiva solution I believe the show as a whole will make very little sense to me. Because then Kate would have died for nothing, Jeanne is somebody we should forget easily, killing Ari was pointless, "humanizing(?)" (for lack of a better word right now) a Mossad officer would be the purpose of the show; Gibbs should have stayed in Mexico, (I can go on and on). I vote for hope, you cannot get more real than that.

I can't really see much of connections here. I must assume you see Kate death only as being pointless because you saw her as someone for Gibbs. Tiva wouldn't make it any less pointless. (death is usually pointless) Jeanne is pretty long gone, time heal all wounds. Killing Ari certainly wasn't pointless... A mossad officier doesn't need to be humanized. As for Gibbs staying in Mexico, I am sure you didn't want that, which is pretty much the reason he came back.

Do you really believe that having Tony and Ziva together as a couple is the whole point of NCIS?

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leroyswoman wrote: Do you really believe that having Tony and Ziva together as a couple is the whole point of NCIS?

No. I said nothing of the sort. I find it a logical and interesting turn that i prefer to happen. The whole point of NCIS is to deliver entertainment. a dose of drama and a dose of humour.Now ask yourself if those things really won't make any sense if they managed to come together (which most things point towards).

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JohanKris wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: Do you really believe that having Tony and Ziva together as a couple is the whole point of NCIS?

No. I said nothing of the sort. I find it a logical and interesting turn that i prefer to happen. The whole point of NCIS is to deliver entertainment. a dose of drama and a dose of humour.Now ask yourself if those things really won't make any sense if they managed to come together (which most things point towards).

Thank you for your honesty. I respect your point of view. I prefer to think that NCIS is more about how we handle ourselves in times of war, crisis, etc., within our nation and in relation to other nations. I don't see any romantic relationship between any of the characters as pivotal; except in the case of the main character which is Gibbs. I understand that it would be so much fun if Tony and Ziva had a great relationship, but to me that would make the show too much of a soap opera (plus in my experience watching other series, when the guy gets the girl, it's all over, no more fun, nor hope, no intrigue, not interesting at all). (Honestly, I would stop watching). I would not understand a relationship between a committed soldier, assassin, duty first and foremost and all that, and a cop who has to get whacked on the head when straying from the matter at hand, and refuses a great promotion because of some reason we still don't know (maybe Jeanne). I would lose respect for the Ziva character, the show and what it stands for, to me. (I come from a military family). I wrote in an earlier post that Tony would have to be more like Gibbs IMO to move on to the next level. I still think that. We might be seeing more of Tiva, but for me realistically and logically Ziva and Gibbs would be more appropriate. I add: I'm not ready to see a series finale yet, so get on with whatever comes as long as the purpose is intact and the people rally around that purpose. (and... it would be great to see a little more intense Zibbs moments please, it would be nice for some of us die hard fans.) Thank you.

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leroyswoman wrote:

Nina1976 wrote: Hi everyone and happy belated Christmas! Wow...I've been out - damn cold from hell- for a few weeks, and I see that there are tons of new posts! I don't think I can ever catch up with all the posts...so...leroyswoman: hi and welcome! I've been reading your posts, and I can't help loving them I agree with basically everything you say dani, ditte3, ncisislove: I missed you guys! As for the whole Ari thing...and why Ziva killed him and for whom/what...well, I think Gibbs put it quite clearly: "You killed Ari---to save me"I don't remember Ziva denying that, or saying that she had killed her own half-brother for any other reason. As for projecting feelings and seeing what we want to see...well, some people on this board see Gibbs and Ziva as father/daughter ...when there hasn't been any objective, undeniable, solid evidence of that on the show.That's projecting feelings too

Thanx. I'm happy to be here.

Hi leroyswoman,dani,Nina,ncislove and everyone else new to the thread and everyone I didn't mention.I missed you too.I read your posts.I like that we can discuss Zibbs relationship here.As I said earlier I like Zova and Tony together in the show,but it doesn't seem too mature to me,I prefer Zibbs.

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dani_ncis wrote: *tackle hug*hey,we missed you too! Hope you are OK now.

Much much better, thanks

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JohanKris wrote:

luvthejem wrote: It's quiet and solid. The kind of thing that will endure.

Like between siblings and friends. Or soulmates

luvthejem wrote: When Ziva was in trouble with the FBI, she ran to Gibbs' house. She called Gibbs, not Tony even though Tony was closer.

Her first reaction was actually to run to ncis. But because she was sought by FBI she couldn't and had to seek help outside the agency. And with all the contacts she had, with all the knowledge she had acquired during her years in Mossad she asked to be saved to a retired NCIS agent who lived in Mexico?

luvthejem wrote: She never hesitates to show her vulnerabilities to Gibbs. While she may have shown a softer side to Tony, at times, she's never opened up to him the way she does with Gibbs.

When has she actually opened up to Gibbs apart from early season 3? Hiatus, Shalom, Recoil...which was last year, so it's not early in season 3

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leroyswoman wrote: Read "somewhere" (read: the Tiva thread) that even Cote de Pablo is for Tiva because of what some people think she meant in the interview in the 5th season DVD. Knowing how secretive the whole production has been in the recent past and nowadays, I can only say that there is a 50-50 chance any which way. I would never be disappointed if that matter is never resolved, as long as there is hope for any of the two options (personally I'm all for Zibbs). On the other hand, if the producers decide on a Tiva solution I believe the show as a whole will make very little sense to me. Because then Kate would have died for nothing, Jeanne is somebody we should forget easily, killing Ari was pointless, "humanizing(?)" (for lack of a better word right now) a Mossad officer would be the purpose of the show; Gibbs should have stayed in Mexico, (I can go on and on). I vote for hope, you cannot get more real than that.

leroyswoman, thank you, thank you, thank you for what you said! You expressed my thoughts way better than I could have ever hoped to (especially the part underlined!

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JimLLL wrote: OK, I keep hearing about how a top Mossad killer could have wounded Ari except for her feelings for Gibbs. Again I agree it might as well have been another team member. Ziva is a killer, not a wounder. It is her duty to kill a dangerous terrorist/traitor as she was trained to do. (And it isn't only most Americans who have utterly no clue about the meaning of duty.)Further, he had his finger on the trigger and the gun aimed. Had she been foolish enough to merely wound him at that advanced stage of the situation he would, without a doubt, have pulled the trigger - according to HIS training and hatred - and killed whoever he was aiming at, be it Gibbs or someone else.So when Gibbs memory came back enough to remember her saving his life he was certainly stating fact. A fact that would not be if she had ignored her deeply instilled Mossad duty - if she has merely wounded Ari.

But Ziva wasn't part of the team, yet. We'll never know if she'd have done the same for the others. You know? I really don't understand why digging into Ziva's motivations for killing Ari. She did what she had to do, she did it to save an innocent man, and this act, this choice, however heartbreaking created a bond that is still there, is undeniable...to me is very simple.

For people like Gibbs and Ziva life goes far deeper. That is what makes them trust each other. That's what makes them "fit." Will it lead them to the horizontal tango? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe they'll know not to ruin a good relationship by messing around with it.

Why should they mess around with it if they see life in the same way, if they trust each other? *confused*

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JohanKris wrote:

While between Gibbs and Ziva there is not much apart from the working relationship and them respecting each other. So no care for each other, no trust? Funny the hug at the end of the first episode of this year seemed so hearfelt

luvthejem wrote: Are you telling me that a trained Mossad officer couldn't have disappeared without a trace, if she'd wanted to?

I am saying she didn't want to. Because of her friends in NCIS. What she wanted was... ...Gibbs In fact she called him asking him to save her Your memory forgot one thing. She did go to their consulate, the purpose was to find out about the agent she saw. But she didn't begin with opting for Gibbs. The first thing she told the guys at the Israeli consulate was that she had to go to NCIS. That was her FIRST option. When they said that she was wanted she had to find another option. That option was Gibbs, he owned her a big favour after all (he said that himself) and was one of the few outside law enforment with the knowledge to help her. We don't know for sure how many people Ziva knew outside law enforcement who could help her, giving her background it seems logical that had to be more than "few", yet she chose the only one she could trust...Gibbs.

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cazmcc wrote: I` m Denitsa and I like idea for Gibbs and Ziva It will be funny But I miss so much Jenny sorry if I have a grammar mistake because I am not good in English very well ,because I`m Bulgarian

hi cazmcc and welcome to the forum and the thread!

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leroyswoman wrote: ...and? Does this mean that you are a Tiva shipper in the Zibbs thread?

I haven't got the faintest clue what your question means.

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Nina1976 wrote:

JohanKris wrote:

While between Gibbs and Ziva there is not much apart from the working relationship and them respecting each other. So no care for each other, no trust?

None? She had varying and growing degrees of care and trust for everyone on the team by this time - as a result of the working relationship.

Funny the hug at the end of the first episode of this year seemed so hearfelt

Of course there's a huge difference between this much later episode and the time when "she killed her brother for love of Gibbs" when she hardly knew him. The latter is a real stretch.As for the hug, I found that to be very weird when I first saw it. Ziva collapsing with uncontrollable sobs into the arms of a man who was hardly more than a mental patient at the time? It didn't fit. Surely the script writers meant SOMETHING. I'll have to admit, "something between them" is one of the very few interpretations I can dream up for that, even though (or maybe because) it seems out of place and uncharacteristic for both of them.

luvthejem wrote: Are you telling me that a trained Mossad officer couldn't have disappeared without a trace, if she'd wanted to?

Actually disappear is exactly what she did until she could get help.

We don't know for sure how many people Ziva knew outside law enforcement who could help her, giving her background it seems logical that had to be more than "few", yet she chose the only one she could trust...Gibbs.

I dare say she chose the only one who could actually do it - as far as she knew. She had no way of knowing the team had secretly sworn to help her illegally. (not a judgment of their pact - only the situation they faced.)

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leroyswoman wrote: when the guy gets the girl, it's all over, no more fun, nor hope, no intrigue, not interesting at all). (Honestly, I would stop watching). I would not understand a relationship between a committed soldier, assassin, duty first and foremost and all that, and a cop who has to get whacked on the head when straying from the matter at hand,

ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

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JimLLL wrote: ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

Well, it depends on many factors...some shows jump the shark when the guy gets the girl, others don't. IMHO with Tony and Ziva the problem is that IMHO there's no solid basis to their relationship...they're too different to build a lasting relationship

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Nina1976 wrote:

JimLLL wrote: ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

Well, it depends on many factors...some shows jump the shark when the guy gets the girl, others don't. IMHO with Tony and Ziva the problem is that IMHO there's no solid basis to their relationship...they're too different to build a lasting relationship

I just don't see them as soulmates.

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Nina1976 wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: Read "somewhere" (read: the Tiva thread) that even Cote de Pablo is for Tiva because of what some people think she meant in the interview in the 5th season DVD. Knowing how secretive the whole production has been in the recent past and nowadays, I can only say that there is a 50-50 chance any which way. I would never be disappointed if that matter is never resolved, as long as there is hope for any of the two options (personally I'm all for Zibbs). On the other hand, if the producers decide on a Tiva solution I believe the show as a whole will make very little sense to me. Because then Kate would have died for nothing, Jeanne is somebody we should forget easily, killing Ari was pointless, "humanizing(?)" (for lack of a better word right now) a Mossad officer would be the purpose of the show; Gibbs should have stayed in Mexico, (I can go on and on). I vote for hope, you cannot get more real than that.

leroyswoman, thank you, thank you, thank you for what you said! You expressed my thoughts way better than I could have ever hoped to (especially the part underlined!

So glad we are like-minded.

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JimLLL wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: when the guy gets the girl, it's all over, no more fun, nor hope, no intrigue, not interesting at all). (Honestly, I would stop watching). I would not understand a relationship between a committed soldier, assassin, duty first and foremost and all that, and a cop who has to get whacked on the head when straying from the matter at hand,

ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

(not that shocked, but almost)

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Nina1976 wrote:

JimLLL wrote: ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

Well, it depends on many factors...some shows jump the shark when the guy gets the girl, others don't. IMHO with Tony and Ziva the problem is that IMHO there's no solid basis to their relationship...they're too different to build a lasting relationship

I agree totally. Tony is too much of an oddball. Too many issues. No relationship can last with a guy with that many issues.

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Nina1976 wrote: We don't know for sure how many people Ziva knew outside law enforcement who could help her, giving her background it seems logical that had to be more than "few", yet she chose the only one she could trust...Gibbs.

Outside law enforcement with sufficient knowledge to actually help her. I doubt the list is long and yes the choice of Gibbs was quite natural. Just saying that her first choice was not to go for him, it was more like the last solution. she even said that herself.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/491877.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/491877.page GMT i think that Ziva and Gibbs would be a good match but ziva likes tony!! when Jeanna(unsure on spelling) left ziva was quite involed in trying to see what tony was feeling. he asked her if she has ever lied to a loved one. she said yes. he asked her what happened when they found out, she said they never did. she was either refering to Ari or her liking Tony. Plus he acts like he likes her to. i think ziva and gibbs would be a good ,atch, but tony and ziva would be a better one!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/492151.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/492151.page GMT I think Gibbs and Ziva are only good for fanfiction because it's clear for me that the authors are trying to put Tony and Ziva together and it's been like that from season three Ziva was clearly put in the show to be the right match for Tony, in fact Cote de Pablo made the audiction for the role with Michael Weatherly. Like it or not, it's the reality. And i can't see Gibbs with anyone really. It's like House. They are lonely people that like to be alone. Putting them in a long lasting relationship would ruin the characters for me. Ah and for the record, Cote de Pablo is for Tiva, not only for the season 5 DVDs but for a lot of others declarations that she has made in her interviews. This year came out a whole article about Tiva (from the Tv Week australian) and she clearly said that she would have wanted a relationship between them. (i don't know if the link work but here is the article: http://tonyziva.eiencafe.com/i
ndex.php? - =3It also come out a French article where it said that more of 75% of fans want Tiva and some people bet on them on Las Vegas. And Cote also said this in a recent interview about season six: Also the relationship she has with Gibbs (Harmon), like a father figure and with Tony (Weatherley) like a Romeo-Juliet incestuous brother/sister thing So she also think that for Ziva, Gibbs is like a father And in effect the writers didn't do anything in the show to think otherwise...

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jessystorm wrote: I think Gibbs and Ziva are only good for fanfiction because it's clear for me that the authors are trying to put Tony and Ziva together and it's been like that from season three Ziva was clearly put in the show to be the right match for Tony, in fact Cote de Pablo made the audiction for the role with Michael Weatherly. Like it or not, it's the reality. And i can't see Gibbs with anyone really. It's like House. They are lonely people that like to be alone. Putting them in a long lasting relationship would ruin the characters for me. Ah and for the record, Cote de Pablo is for Tiva, not only for the season 5 DVDs but for a lot of others declarations that she has made in her interviews. This year came out a whole article about Tiva (from the Tv Week australian) and she clearly said that she would have wanted a relationship between them. (i don't know if the link work but here is the article: http://tonyziva.eiencafe.com/i
ndex.php? - =3It also come out a French article where it said that more of 75% of fans want Tiva and some people bet on them on Las Vegas. And Cote also said this in a recent interview about season six: Also the relationship she has with Gibbs (Harmon), like a father figure and with Tony (Weatherley) like a Romeo-Juliet incestuous brother/sister thing So she also think that for Ziva, Gibbs is like a father And in effect the writers didn't do anything in the show to think otherwise...

What the actors think of their characters, what they'd like to happen to their characters is not always what the producers are going to do. In other words: Cote can say whatever she wants, that doesn't mean that the writers share her same view. By the way, the fact that in the same sentence she says that both Tony and Gibbs are "family" isn't good for neither of our ships...if you choose to give credit to what she says, which I don't. Also, Gibbs is not a loner by choice...he had a family, he's been trying to recreate what he had for years, si I wouldn't say he's exactly a loner and isn't House having a thing with Cuddy nowadays?Anyway, I respect your opinion, but since this is a Zibbs thread, you might find out that there are people who don't love Tiva

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the fact that in the same sentence she says that both Tony and Gibbs are "family" isn't good for neither of our ships...

The fact is that for Tony she said Romeo and Juliet and Incestuous brother and sister so they aren't really a family for her.However you are right, what the actors think is not canon, but the writers are increasing the tension between Tony and Ziva, and this is a fact, Tiva fan or not And i know that there are fans that don't like Tiva but since i read that you were talking about what Cote said in the DVD's of season 5 that you have read in our topic, i have to say something But donìt worry because after this post i will not return in this topic

he's been trying to recreate what he had for years,

But he always failed that because he will never be able to forget Shannon. For me she will always be the great love of his life.

and isn't House having a thing with Cuddy nowadays?

They kissed but i don't think that they will never be together (maybe in the last episode of the series, but not before), and even if they do, it will not last

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jessystorm wrote:

The fact is that for Tony she said Romeo and Juliet and Incestuous brother and sister so they aren't really a family for her.

Exactly, just like Gibbs isn't really a father for Ziva, Tony isn't a brother...

However you are right, what the actors think is not canon, but the writers are increasing the tension between Tony and Ziva, and this is a fact, Tiva fan or not

They're teasing the audience, that's for sure

And i know that there are fans that don't like Tiva but since i read that you were talking about what Cote said in the DVD's of season 5 that you have read in our topic, i have to say something

It wasn't me

But he always failed that because he will never be able to forget Shannon. For me she will always be the great love of his life.

Absolutely, but this doesn't mean that he couldn't find someone else...like Ziva for example

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ditte3 wrote: I wish you all a Happy New Year.May all your wishes come true.

Thank you! Happy New Year to you too

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Nina1976 wrote:

jessystorm wrote: I think Gibbs and Ziva are only good for fanfiction because it's clear for me that the authors are trying to put Tony and Ziva together and it's been like that from season three Ziva was clearly put in the show to be the right match for Tony, in fact Cote de Pablo made the audiction for the role with Michael Weatherly. Like it or not, it's the reality. And i can't see Gibbs with anyone really. It's like House. They are lonely people that like to be alone. Putting them in a long lasting relationship would ruin the characters for me. Ah and for the record, Cote de Pablo is for Tiva, not only for the season 5 DVDs but for a lot of others declarations that she has made in her interviews. This year came out a whole article about Tiva (from the Tv Week australian) and she clearly said that she would have wanted a relationship between them. (i don't know if the link work but here is the article: http://tonyziva.eiencafe.com/i
ndex.php? - =3It also come out a French article where it said that more of 75% of fans want Tiva and some people bet on them on Las Vegas. And Cote also said this in a recent interview about season six: Also the relationship she has with Gibbs (Harmon), like a father figure and with Tony (Weatherley) like a Romeo-Juliet incestuous brother/sister thing So she also think that for Ziva, Gibbs is like a father And in effect the writers didn't do anything in the show to think otherwise...

What the actors think of their characters, what they'd like to happen to their characters is not always what the producers are going to do. In other words: Cote can say whatever she wants, that doesn't mean that the writers share her same view. By the way, the fact that in the same sentence she says that both Tony and Gibbs are "family" isn't good for neither of our ships...if you choose to give credit to what she says, which I don't. Also, Gibbs is not a loner by choice...he had a family, he's been trying to recreate what he had for years, si I wouldn't say he's exactly a loner and isn't House having a thing with Cuddy nowadays?Anyway, I respect your opinion, but since this is a Zibbs thread, you might find out that there are people who don't love Tiva

Well said (or written)!!! Just what I was thinking. Thank you, thank you. The big picture is crucial. The producers have a responsibility to ALL of us. Not some of us. I love especially what you say about Cote. She can say whatever she wants, but she is not the writer nor the producer. And I seriously doubt she is really interested in the outcome of her character with Tony or whoever. This is her big crossover chance, I don't think she wants to blow it by taking sides with fans. Vale?

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ditte3 wrote:

Nina1976 wrote:

Ji - LLL wrote: ALL OVER? Where's your experience?When the "guy gets the girl" is actually often precisely when the terror begins!

Well, it depends on many factors...some shows jump the shark when the guy gets the girl, others don't. IMHO with Tony and Ziva the problem is that IMHO there's no solid basis to their relationship...they're too different to build a lasting relationship

I just don't see them as soulmates.

True, but there was a time when I just couldn't see Tony not being a total a______. Still it seems to be happening.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/495798.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/495798.page GMT i think that it would never happen. Gibbs likes red heads except Kernel Mann who was blonde. Not only that but tony and ziva are the ones always playing grab ass..lol

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latada646 wrote: i think that it would never happen. Gibbs likes red heads except Kernel Mann who was blonde. Not only that but tony and ziva are the ones always playing grab ass..lol

He flirted with the blony in "Dopelganger",and with Kate-even she was his subordinate.The likes readheads only because his first wife was a readhead.

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divocean wrote: One of the things that makes Gibbs, is his inablitiy to make comittents, If you change that you change Gibbs, so I think a Gibbs- Ziva relationship would have to be the beginning of the end of Ziva.

Gibbs was more open before Shanon and Kelly's deaths-Gibbs we know became after their deaths,so if he fall in love again,he can be open,friendly and good with other people,if he sees the person he loves worth it.I think Ziva worth it.

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Trollars123 wrote: sorry but gross

Why?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/500627.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/500627.page GMT I personally think it would be scary and wrong! I like him single with Abby as his female sanity person. Like a daughter. There are times, though, that I can see them becoming more than that .

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fredisred wrote: I personally think it would be scary and wrong! I like him single with Abby as his female sanity person. Like a daughter. There are times, though, that I can see them becoming more than that .

He reacted the same way to Kate-and nothing happen.Why Gibbs and Ziva would be scary and wrong?

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dani_ncis wrote:

fredisred wrote: I personally think it would be scary and wrong! I like him single with Abby as his female sanity person. Like a daughter. There are times, though, that I can see them becoming more than that .

He reacted the same way to Kate-and nothing happen.Why Gibbs and Ziva would be scary and wrong?

I second what you said. I don't understand it either!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/501681.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/501681.page GMT Have ya'll seen the way that Tony and Ziva act around each other? They were ment for each other. She has the biggest crush on Tony! Ziva and Tony should be together and Gibbs should stay the way he is. And, why put Ziva through the tourture of being the fifth wife? I don't think that either of them could handle living with each other with him being Marines and her being Mossad. They are fine if they work together but if they are around each other for too long there is tension and head slapping and that is not good in the relationship that ya'll are suggesting. And have you heard some of the stuff he says to Abby? Gibbs: "Do I need to start smackin' you like I do DiNozzo?" Abby: "You wouldn't! You would?" Gibbs: "It won't be on the head." (If any one knows the name of the episode that this is from I don't remember. Thanks.)I mean, really! The only things he has ever given Ziva is a few smacks on the head and some comfort when she is crying. That is all. Now compare that to all of teh things that he has given Abby. Caf-Pow!s, "My girl" in sign language, "You're my favorite", a place to stay in Bloodbath , in the episode Driven when she was in the car and it filled with the fumes, and on, and on, and on. If he ends up with any one, it will be Abby but that is not even likely because of the father-daughter relationsip that they have. Abby reminds Gibbs of what Kelly might have been like. He has signed "I love you" to Abby on more than one occation. What has he done to Ziva that is comperable to that?And nither of them are red-heads.

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fredisred wrote: Have ya'll seen the way that Tony and Ziva act around each other? They were ment for each other. She has the biggest crush on Tony! Ziva and Tony should be together and Gibbs should stay the way he is. And, why put Ziva through the tourture of being the fifth wife? I don't think that either of them could handle living with each other with him being Marines and her being Mossad. They are fine if they work together but if they are around each other for too long there is tension and head slapping and that is not good in the relationship that ya'll are suggesting.

He headslap the people from his ream-do you think if they are together,Ziva will still be in the team?!And why do you think Ziva can't handle Gibbs?He slap Tony and McGee a lot more times than Ziva.Ziva easily can handle Gibbs,becuse she is mature enough to handle Tony well.

fredisred wrote: The only things he has ever given Ziva is a few smacks on the head and some comfort when she is crying. That is all. Now compare that to all of teh things that he has given Abby. Caf-Pow!s, "My girl" in sign language, "You're my favorite", a place to stay in Bloodbath , in the episode Driven when she was in the car and it filled with the fumes, and on, and on, and on. If he ends up with any one, it will be Abby but that is not even likely because of the father-daughter relationsip that they have. Abby reminds Gibbs of what Kelly might have been like. He has signed "I love you" to Abby on more than one occation. What has he done to Ziva that is comperable to that?And nither of them are red-heads.

A few?!He cover up for her,when Ziva killed her half brother Ari because he would kill Gibbs-do you think he will do that for every person ?!He said " We missed you,Ziva" to her by the phone-and he rarely admit those things-remember S1-"Missing",when Tony tryed to make him admit that Gibbs was worried for him-did Gibbs said it?No-and Tony's life was in danger-will b completely understandable,if Gibbs said those words.Gibbs may say those things to Abby,they may flirt,but they are never seductive-.Gibbs never acted serious to Abby's advances-he never was serious with her,opossite to his behaviour to Kate. about the readheads- do we watch the same show?The show,where Gibbs flirted with Kate in Yankee White/and sometimes later/,who is brunette,where he flirted and kissed the blond woman in "Doppelganger",and dated Hollis Mann,who happen to be blond too???If this is the show,then obviously Gibbs don't have a thing only for readheads.

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fredisred wrote: Gibbs was never interested in a relationship with Kate and look at how well the relationship with Mann turned out to work.

But ncisislove was talking about atraction-not relationship.He is atracted to brunettes,as well as to blondies.Since he is Kate's boss,I don't think he will start a relationship wih her .Both Kate and Gibbs were understandably wary of co-worker relationships Gibbs had his problems with Jen/his partner and ex-lover/; Kate had her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/. Neither was about to make a move, especially within only two years of knowing one another. About his realstionship with Hollis didn't know that Gibbs have to deal -again/wich is more painfull/-with the loss of his wife and daughter-he didn't tell her anything about that-she only knew that there is some part of him she couldn't reach,and questioned herself why is that-she didn't know he remembered the all thing only a few months before he met her,and the memory is still hurting him.Gibbs has his reasons to be close off,because he had to deal with the loss of Shanon and Kelly all over again-that's why he wasn't ready for a new relationship.But he never said that to Hollis-maybe because he didn't have a clue it will be so difficult to let go-for the second time.Their relationship was honest and mature.I thought that Mann's chemistry w/Gibbs was wonderful, and wish that she would return to the series. She helped him start to focus on coming to terms with his loss, and I can't help but feel that her being brought back would contribute more.

fredisred wrote: His thing may not only be for redheads but he has nothing but professional respect for Ziva. And if he had a relationsip with either of them it would be breaking rule number 12: Never date a co-worker. He made that one after he was "partners" with the Director.

We are aware of the reason for rule#12-and we never said anything about romantic feelings-The thing with Gibbs and Ziva is that they are too alike,and they understand eachother completely.Their bond is more strong than the bond between Tony and Ziva,or McGee and Ziva-I see Gibbs to have that strong bond only wth Abby,and with Kate-when she was alive.

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fredisred wrote:

Have ya'll seen the way that Tony and Ziva act around each other?

Yes, and that's exactly why I am not a shipper

Ziva and Tony should be together and Gibbs should stay the way he is.

I do not agree with that

And, why put Ziva through the tourture of being the fifth wife?

Because as shippers we think that she might be the one?

I don't think that either of them could handle living with each other with him being Marines and her being Mossad.

Funny, I think that it's because of their background that I think that they'd handle living together pretty well

They are fine if they work together but if they are around each other for too long there is tension and head slapping and that is not good in the relationship that ya'll are suggesting.

Last time Gibbs headslapped Ziva was in third season, I think...

The only things he has ever given Ziva is a few smacks on the head and some comfort when she is crying.

And he's come back from retirement to help her, and he gave her faith in her judgment back in Recoil, and he's been there for her , always.

That is all.

No, I'm sorry, it's not There's more than that.

Now compare that to all of teh things that he has given Abby.

No one here has ever doubted that he cares a lot for Abby, but since this is not a Gabby thread, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we do not talk about all Gibbs has ever done for Abby

What has he done to Ziva that is comperable to that?

I wasn't aware that it was a contest

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dani_ncis wrote:

fredisred wrote: Gibbs was never interested in a relationship with Kate and look at how well the relationship with Mann turned out to work.

But ncisislove was talking about atraction-not relationship.He is atracted to brunettes,as well as to blondies.Since he is Kate's boss,I don't think he will start a relationship wih her .Both Kate and Gibbs were understandably wary of co-worker relationships Gibbs had his problems with Jen/his partner and ex-lover/; Kate had her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/. Neither was about to make a move, especially within only two years of knowing one another.

Of course I was talking about atraction-if we are talking about his marriages,the problem there is different-his first wife was a readhead,and Gibbs,trying to reconstruct his marriage with Shanon,married to readheads-but that doesn't mean he doesn't notice women with different color.I always thought Gibbs is a man,who have subtle eye for the women?Watch "Faking It",when Gibbs and Mike Franks drink a beer-infron of them pass 2 women,and Gibbslooked at them with interest,when they wolked by them.

dani_ncis wrote: [

fredisred wrote: His thing may not only be for redheads but he has nothing but professional respect for Ziva. And if he had a relationsip with either of them it would be breaking rule number 12: Never date a co-worker. He made that one after he was "partners" with the Director.

We are aware of the reason for rule#12-and we never said anything about romantic feelings-The thing with Gibbs and Ziva is that they are too alike,and they understand eachother completely.Their bond is more strong than the bond between Tony and Ziva,or McGee and Ziva-I see Gibbs to have that strong bond only wth Abby,and with Kate-when she was alive.

I'll repeat myself:He cover up for her,when Ziva killed her half brother Ari because he would kill Gibbs-do you think he will do that for every person ?!He said " We missed you,Ziva" to her by the phone-and he rarely admit those things-remember S1-"Missing",when Tony tryed to make him admit that Gibbs was worried for him-did Gibbs said it?No-and Tony's life was in danger-will b completely understandable,if Gibbs said those words.He was there for her in "Recoil",when she doubted herself-yes,IMHO all that can be compare to he way he treats Abby.

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leroyswoman wrote:

So glad we are like-minded.

Me too

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504439.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504439.page GMT We are all definately entitled to our opinions. We have all seen the way Tony and Ziva flirt with one another but still they wouldn't be good together. Abby and McGee or even Abby and Gibbs would be kind of cool. Ziva and Gibbs would be even better. They have better chemistry. They need to bring Jeanne back for Tony because they were a good match. Either way, everyone on NCIS rules. I sent Mark Harmon a fan letter and I hope I get a t-shirt out of it with the whole cast's signature on it. The age difference between Gibbs and Ziva shouldn't matter. It is definately a new era. Zibbs forever! LOL

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504607.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504607.page GMT Also, Shannon was a redhead like Jen was so he has a little bad luck with redheads. Hollis was ok but not sure why she isn't on there anymore. He gets along better with brunettes hint (Abby, Kate & Ziva). I think his ex-wives also had dark red hair or were blondes.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504632.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504632.page GMT Not gross, but I don't think so. I like the sexual tension between Ziva and Tony, and I would like them to eventually be a couple. I think Gibbs acts more like a surrogate father for her since she seems to have issues with her own.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504938.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/504938.page GMT Ziva has alot to learn about life and where she fits in.She said so herself, before she came to NCIS she was just a killer, now she has another way of life. Her father sees her as a weapon, but the team see her as family.Gibbs has too many skeletons and memories to share with someone like Ziva, who I think needs a little joviality in her life. I don't necessarily think she should hook up with Tony, although so far all signs are pointing to her doing so, but she certainly doesn't need a straight arrow like Gibbs as a lover.

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fatbertal wrote: Not gross, but I don't think so. I like the sexual tension between Ziva and Tony, and I would like them to eventually be a couple. I think Gibbs acts more like a surrogate father for her since she seems to have issues with her own.

Hi fatbertal Although I respect your POV, I really can't see Gibbs as Ziva's surrogate father, mostly because I have never seen him acting that way toward her

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pahpah93 wrote: Ziva has alot to learn about life and where she fits in.She said so herself, before she came to NCIS she was just a killer, now she has another way of life. Her father sees her as a weapon, but the team see her as family.Gibbs has too many skeletons and memories to share with someone like Ziva, who I think needs a little joviality in her life. I don't necessarily think she should hook up with Tony, although so far all signs are pointing to her doing so, but she certainly doesn't need a straight arrow like Gibbs as a lover.

Well, but I don't see her finding any real happiness with someone like Tony, either... Yes, she'd deserve more joviality in her life (but so would Gibbs after all he's been through), but I think she needs stability as well, she needs to trust the man she's with, even to be herself, and I'm sorry but I can't see that trust between Tony and Ziva

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Nina1976 wrote:

pahpah93 wrote: Ziva has alot to learn about life and where she fits in.She said so herself, before she came to NCIS she was just a killer, now she has another way of life. Her father sees her as a weapon, but the team see her as family.Gibbs has too many skeletons and memories to share with someone like Ziva, who I think needs a little joviality in her life. I don't necessarily think she should hook up with Tony, although so far all signs are pointing to her doing so, but she certainly doesn't need a straight arrow like Gibbs as a lover.

Well, but I don't see her finding any real happiness with someone like Tony, either... Yes, she'd deserve more joviality in her life (but so would Gibbs after all he's been through), but I think she needs stability as well, she needs to trust the man she's with, even to be herself, and I'm sorry but I can't see that trust between Tony and Ziva

I think Gibbs and Ziva could make each other happy,but it needs time.I don't think forcing Gibbs works.He has wounds on his soul,he needs ... a soulmate.Ziva Maybe.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507291.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507291.page GMT I think that Gibbs and Ziba would never work out!!! I can't think that that relationship wouldn't last that long even if they did get together and then it would be realy acward at work

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507419.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507419.page GMT "she needs to trust the man she's with, even to be herself, and I'm sorry but I can't see that trust between Tony and Ziva" - Nina1976Maybe, but what about when Tony and Jeanne? He fell really hard for her, though it was extremely difficult for him to admit. Couldn't this occur between him and Ziva?

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507432.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507432.page GMT Very Interesting idea...but I think that would ruin the team and there would be no more Tony/Ziva sexual tension and playfulness. I would never want to see Tony & Ziva together because it would ruin their dynamics.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507568.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507568.page GMT I think Gibbs and Ziva got a father-daugther thing goin. No hook-up. Ziva should just be with Tony, but then there would be no more funny-sexual-funny-stuff.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507575.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507575.page GMT I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507880.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507880.page GMT McGeek and Abby should hook-up again, it was fun. They look good together in a nerd/goth/freacky kind of way.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507953.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/507953.page GMT Hi everyone! Was out for the Xmas season. Hope everyone has had a great end of year experience. I see there are a lot of Tiva shippers here. I welcome them to their opinions. It's a good exercise for us Zibbsers. I hold my ground and repeat, there may be teasing and flirting all over the place, but the main purpose of the show must stay intact. Otherwise, I will completely lose interest, and see it as a joke. And I also repeat: Ziva and Gibbs should end together as it has been implied (insinuated) throughout some episodes. We may not get to see it fully, it could be an aftermath of the series, but it is there. It is a strong possibility. IMHO, in real life, once you have lived the way those two have lived they can NEVER turn back to innocence and normalcy, nor lead happy lives with a partner who is unable to understand fully because of lack of experience. Tony is great and I love him, but NOT for Ziva. BTW, "Caged" was great! Loved McGee and this new aspect of his. Better discuss in the episode thread.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508512.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508512.page GMT hi.I loved Caged too.McGee was a sweetie.He always is.In this episode he was really mature.He did his job.Back to our couple.I think Ziva wants a family.We could see that she deals with the thought in 'Silent Night'.it's hard for Gibbs to have a real family after what he's been through.If he'd find the right woman he could be happy again.

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ddemey222 wrote: I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show.

Thank you for your opinion. I agree in part. I believe couples should not be an important part of the show, unless it is a part of the job. Tony and Jeanne together was an inevitable couple, and the most endearing and true. On the other hand, if any couple is necessary for a character's well-being, it should be Ziva and Gibbs.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508534.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508534.page GMT Hello everyone hope you had a good New Year. Ziva and Gibbs work very close together. They seem to know about what each other are doing more than the others. Hence the Zibbs fans. Tony and Ziva have all the bantering and small Tiva scenes. Hence the Tiva. Im a Tiva fan but Zibbs would be fun to see. I would like to see Gibbs and Ziva try to keep it hidden. Ive even seen some that want Tony and Gibbs together. Tibbs wouldnt work. Tony is a womanizer and Gibss is too. What I am getting at is while Ive been waiting for Tiva moments or Zibbs moments Ive missed the fun and story part of the show. Ive acctualy been disapointedbecause there were no Tiva moments. But when I went back and watched the show It was really good. So I dont care who the writers put together. I just like the show.

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ditte3 wrote: hi.I loved Caged too.McGee was a sweetie.He always is.In this episode he was really mature.He did his job.Back to our couple.I think Ziva wants a family.We could see that she deals with the thought in 'Silent Night'.it's hard for Gibbs to have a real family after what he's been through.If he'd find the right woman he could be happy again.

Yes, I agree that Ziva thinks about having kids, but not just yet, that would be her exit from NCIS, and I think there is more Mossad Ziva for a while. Ziva likes Tony a lot, but her relationship with him is too superficial for serious personal conversations. She is more comfortable with Gibbs and he with her. I'm sorry for hardcore Tiva shippers, but that's the way it is being conveyed. About Gibbs, I don't know if it's hard for him anymore to think about a solid partnership and maybe a child. I feel that Gibbs is getting over the excruciating pain of losing his wife and daughter, which dragged and dragged along for too long. Honestly, it was getting boring. So, I truly believe that we may be pleasantly surprised. Gibbs has been portrayed as having commitment issues in past episodes. But, now that Mark Harmon is in one of the producers' seats (he is one of the producers of Caged) ... well... you can tell that something fresh and new is happening in NCIS. A more balanced Gibbs is what I'm seeing. I don't think a new relationship with any other female Coronel or Lieutenant or Director will be focused on anymore. Not necessary. Too much of that in season 4 and 5. I do have other expectations ...!!!!!! We may see a little bit of more flirting with Ziva and Tony, but you know what? I think sweet McGee should have a shot at heavy flirting with Ziva, too, (a little bit) to solidify his new attitude. Just a thought, folks!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508558.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/508558.page GMT [b]"I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show"I completely agree. The only time a relationship would achieve a serious level is to include it the way that Bellisario included it in JAG (when the show was coming to an end) I PRAY THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!!!!! so it would be safe to say that the relationships as they are now would be best.

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ImustNCISt wrote: [b]"I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show"I completely agree. The only time a relationship would achieve a serious level is to include it the way that Bellisario included it in JAG (when the show was coming to an end) I PRAY THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!!!!! so it would be safe to say that the relationships as they are now would be best.

Good point! With a little tease here and there but nothing definitive until The End which hopefully will be in a future far, far away. In the mean time, I will continue to push for Zibbs.

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ImustNCISt wrote: [b]"I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show"I completely agree. The only time a relationship would achieve a serious level is to include it the way that Bellisario included it in JAG (when the show was coming to an end) I PRAY THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!!!!! so it would be safe to say that the relationships as they are now would be best.

One of the best ways to know one person is to see him/her in a relationship.For me will be great if I see ibbs and Ziva,because they are my favorite characters on the show.

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dani_ncis wrote:

ImustNCISt wrote: [b]"I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show"I completely agree. The only time a relationship would achieve a serious level is to include it the way that Bellisario included it in JAG (when the show was coming to an end) I PRAY THAT NEVER HAPPENS!!!!!! so it would be safe to say that the relationships as they are now would be best.

One of the best ways to know one person is to see him/her in a relationship.For me will be great if I see ibbs and Ziva,because they are my favorite characters on the show.

Precisely! There is nothing else to look for now. And thank you for your input.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/509177.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/509177.page GMT NO! Ziva belongs with Tony! In "Cloak" they're in the elevator and Tony goes, "I'm tired of pretending" and Ziva goes, "Me too." And she means something different from him. She loves him! Sort of....

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McGeek4ever wrote: NO! Ziva belongs with Tony! In "Cloak" they're in the elevator and Tony goes, "I'm tired of pretending" and Ziva goes, "Me too." And she means something different from him. She loves him! Sort of....

She may loves him,but he doeasn't loves her...yet. Until that yet is valid ,there is always a hope.

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McGeek4ever wrote: NO! Ziva belongs with Tony! In "Cloak" they're in the elevator and Tony goes, "I'm tired of pretending" and Ziva goes, "Me too." And she means something different from him. She loves him! Sort of....

Aha! Sort of... cause we're never sure. Sure she likes him, but he is not ready and maybe he'll never be. Besides Tony and Jeanne were perfect. On the other hand, Gibbs likes Ziva ... a lot. You know you've seen the signs. See how the producers play with us? You're welcome to linger around here any time.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/511343.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/511343.page GMT I'm sorry but Gibbs and Ziva? I love them both but Ziva and DiNozzo would make a far better couple. Anyway, doesn't Gibbs like redheads? Oh, and he's kind of old and she's young. Doesn't work out too well.Tony and Ziva all the way!!!

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setiri wrote: I'm sorry but Gibbs and Ziva? I love them both but Ziva and DiNozzo would make a far better couple. Anyway, doesn't Gibbs like redheads? Oh, and he's kind of old and she's young. Doesn't work out too well.Tony and Ziva all the way!!!

You're new in the forums?

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setiri wrote: I'm sorry but Gibbs and Ziva? I love them both but Ziva and DiNozzo would make a far better couple. Anyway, doesn't Gibbs like redheads? Oh, and he's kind of old and she's young. Doesn't work out too well.Tony and Ziva all the way!!!

LOL I think we are talking about rdifferent shows-in my NCIS show Gibbs flirted with Kate,who happen to be brunette,with the blond in "Doppelganger" and even had a blong girlfrien in S4&5... And to reject a potentiol relationship because of the age is unfair-what the age have to do in one relationship?This is somethig like...to judge one of the partners,because he has different color of the skin than the other /no offence-you have every right to have your own opinion-that's only my POV /.If that was true,then we will not have "Gone with the wind" and "Jane Eyre".I'll tell you the same thing what Gerald O'Hara told his daugther-one relationship can be successful,if the people are alike-like Gibbs and Ziva.Some of us don't prefer young men with too much personality for their own good and only one thing on their minds ,we prefer something aged and subtle.I said several times that most of my favorite actors are 40+ -like Gibbs once said"old doesn't mean I'm not sexy.... I paraphrasd his answer in Bete Noire,but for me the real man have to be 40+...years.

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dani_ncis wrote:

setiri wrote: I'm sorry but Gibbs and Ziva? I love them both but Ziva and DiNozzo would make a far better couple. Anyway, doesn't Gibbs like redheads? Oh, and he's kind of old and she's young. Doesn't work out too well.Tony and Ziva all the way!!!

LOL I think we are talking about rdifferent shows-in my NCIS show Gibbs flirted with Kate,who happen to be brunette,with the blond in "Doppelganger" and even had a blong girlfrien in S4&5... And to reject a potentiol relationship because of the age is unfair-what the age have to do in one relationship?This is somethig like...to judge one of the partners,because he has different color of the skin than the other /no offence-you have every right to have your own opinion-that's only my POV /.If that was true,then we will not have "Gone with the wind" and "Jane Eyre".I'll tell you the same thing what Gerald O'Hara told his daugther-one relationship can be successful,if the people are alike-like Gibbs and Ziva.Some of us don't prefer young men with too much personality for their own good and only one thing on their minds ,we prefer something aged and subtle.I said several times that most of my favorite actors are 40+ -like Gibbs once said"old doesn't mean I'm not sexy.... I paraphrasd his answer in Bete Noire,but for me the real man have to be 40+...years.

yessss!!!! thank you for telling it like it is. There is hardly any age difference between Gibbs and Ziva, and I add that Ziva is too much of a woman for Tony who is still a child in so many ways that make him so annoying to watch sometimes.

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leroyswoman wrote: Yeah! and I'll continue to repeat the same things as long as it takes. Do you think that maybe the other side considers us a threat.

Definitely!Don't you noice that the people,who post here,have only 2-5 posts on this board?!Their almost first post is here-because Ziva and Gibbs have a future-otherwise they will look at this thread and will leave it alone-something like McGee/Ziva and Abby/Gibbs thread.Our thread have maybe more posts than Ziva and Tony!

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dani_ncis wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: Yeah! and I'll continue to repeat the same things as long as it takes. Do you think that maybe the other side considers us a threat.

Definitely!Don't you noice that the people,who post here,have only 2-5 posts on this board?!Their almost first post is here-because Ziva and Gibbs have a future-otherwise they will look at this thread and will leave it alone-something like McGee/Ziva and Abby/Gibbs thread.Our thread have maybe more posts than Ziva and Tony!

Yeah! At least our posts are substantial and have solid evidence to prove what we say.

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ddemey222 wrote: I don't think there should be any couples things on NCIS. It would ruin the whole show.

Ru kidding me! the show would be realy fun if it had couples! but i guess the fun of wishing that some would get together would be more fun too.

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leroyswoman wrote:

dani_ncis wrote: [qu - te=leroyswoman] Yeah! and I'll continue to repeat the same things as long as it takes. Do you think that maybe the other side considers us a threat.

Definitely!Don't you noice that the people,who post here,have only 2-5 posts on this board?!Their almost first post is here-because Ziva and Gibbs have a future-otherwise they will look at this thread and will leave it alone-something like McGee/Ziva and Abby/Gibbs thread.Our thread have maybe more posts than Ziva and Tony!

Yeah! At least our posts are substantial and have solid evidence to prove what we say.

Well you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

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rosaines wrote: McGeek and Abby should hook-up again, it was fun. They look good together in a nerd/goth/freacky kind of way.

Haha yeah i think that would be realy funny

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stevebabe wrote: Well you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

Did I miss something?I suppose you are one of the writters,and that's makes you so certainTony and Ziva will hook up? i think the idea of a certain couple of the show is a wishful thinking.If you notice,the writters like to play with this aspect of the show,but the main love interests were not a main characters on the show.From my POV,if we think logically,in YW DPB add the reaheaded woman to prevent the tension between Gibbs and Kate.Gibbs and Jen had history,but they didn't get closer to the new relationship.Hollis and Jeanne had better chance to be in the relationship with the characters,because we didn't see them regulary and the chance for them to annoy us is little-but they are out of the show too.,The writters don't want to fall in Mac/Harm/JAG/ trap-they stated that a few times in interviwes.

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stevebabe wrote: Well you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

Interesting...The last time a checked,on Tony/Ziva thread didn't exist posts like "you know what...Gibbs and Ziva are going to get together...not Tony and Ziva."I can't understand,sinse Ziva/Gibbs shipper don't post such things on Tony/Ziva thread,Tiva shippers come here to only to declare love for their couple.Can you show at last some respect,when you are on this thread?!If you don't agree with us,there is a Tony/Ziva thread-go there-there is no need to come here only to say you think your couple will hook up-your posts are pointless that way. Yes,I know this post is quite offended,but really-if you want to debate on this thread,let your argument be mature-the things like"he is too old" and Z and T will hook up" are not arguments-Abby said herself "dating older men is a singh of maturity",and like dani pointed out,you are not one a writters of the show to say which couple will hook up.If you want to debate about Ziva and Gibbs will not/or yes,definitely will hook up,I gladly will read your posts.

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leroyswoman wrote: yessss!!!! thank you for telling it like it is. There is hardly any age difference between Gibbs and Ziva, and I add that Ziva is too much of a woman for Tony who is still a child in so many ways that make him so annoying to watch sometimes.

I think it is quite a stretch to say that there hardly is any age difference between the characters. Lets not forget that there are to begin with 28 years between the characters. So even if we cut some years down for Gibbs and add some for Ziva it will be around 15 years. that is quite some age difference. That is not say a relationship like that couldn't work, because it can. Still, I think it is more fair to conclude that there is a age difference but that this doesn't stand in their way. IMO. Tony and Ziva have been touted as a love interest from their first episode together. Also in this season I think they have taken a step further.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/512069.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/512069.page GMT I think the fun is in the jounrey these characters take because when they get there it tends to spell the send of this type of show no matter how good the writers are just look at JAG and Moonlighting to name just 2 shows.As to Ziva & Gibbs, I don not think it would work. Yes she does understand him on many levels, something missing in Hollis who was too controlling and pushy for me. But I think Ziva would like a family and I cannot see Gibbs agreeing to children. I am in the camp that thinks Gibbs should be involved with someone who already has a child as part of the package. Gibbs then does not have to make that decison the child is there. I think fear would hold Gibbs back, the fear of loosing another child. I think this fear is at the base of all his relationships with women.In someways Ziva and Gibbs are the same. They are "broken" on a personal level. Ziva by betrayal (Ari, her father) and Gibbs by loss (Kelly and Shannon). This brings understanding and trust but I don't think it is the basis for a longterm relationship. In a women, Gibbs needs quiet strength, understanding, patience and acceptance of who he is not what they want him to be. That is don't try to change him, accept that part of his heart will always be Kelly and Shannon's, there is alot left for someone willing to be patient.Ziva maybe happy in the US for awhile but in the end I think someone like her, bound up with duty to Israel would want to live there. I can't see Gibbs in Israel.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/512471.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/512471.page GMT I can see Gibbs in Israel. He just needs a basement to build his boat. I've been reading a lot of posts in this topic today and after 4 pages I skipped to the last one. So what I'll be saying might have been said before. Gibbs and Ziva do have some chemistry, but it doesn't mean it's of a romantic kind. Ziva sees the man , not just the boss and she likes what she sees. Tony is more like the annoying boy from next door that doesnt' get the hint. "You're hot, but you need to grow up!" Ziva sees him as a clown. Gibbs sees Ziva as someone capable to take care of herself, but is there to give guidance. She's a killer and is becoming a good investigator. She can handle him if needed. Hollis Mann was SO wrong. She's to pushy. You could see Gibbs didn't like her listening to that tape. She wanted a commitment he wasn't ready for. And who said he was afraid of loosing another child so he never tried? In EX-File he spoke with his ex-wive about children. They tried for a baby during that marriage, but it didn't happen. He needs a partner that understands him and let him work on that boat. Hollis complained about "why all there dates always ended up in his basement working on his boat". He was testing her. She didn't pass his test. Ziva doesn't question him about that boat. She knows why. She is like him. A closet full with dusty old skeletons, but life goes on. They do have a lot of age-difference, but we have all seen that before. A much younger woman dating an older guy. Do not forget. Because there is snow on the roof, doesn't mean the furnace isn't hot! And from all the flash-backs we saw from the Gibbs/Jen paris thing IT'S HOT!!!A romance between caracters on the show is interesting, but also very constricting. If they do that, it can get messy. But they can hint at it. They can make it something secret without showing the audience if it's true. It would drive Tony crazy not knowing if they are dating or not. They can make Abby look like she knows, but isn't telling. And all the shippers can have fun with it writing fanfic to their hearts' delight. It will tickle the romantic part of our brains without turning this wonderfull show into a soap-opera. If we want soap we'll be watching something else.FranBB

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M2Van wrote: I think the fun is in the jounrey these characters take because when they get there it tends to spell the send of this type of show no matter how good the writers are just look at JAG and Moonlighting to name just 2 shows.As to Ziva & Gibbs, I don not think it would work. Yes she does understand him on many levels, something missing in Hollis who was too controlling and pushy for me. But I think Ziva would like a family and I cannot see Gibbs agreeing to children. I am in the camp that thinks Gibbs should be involved with someone who already has a child as part of the package. Gibbs then does not have to make that decison the child is there. I think fear would hold Gibbs back, the fear of loosing another child. I think this fear is at the base of all his relationships with women.In someways Ziva and Gibbs are the same. They are "broken" on a personal level. Ziva by betrayal (Ari, her father) and Gibbs by loss (Kelly and Shannon). This brings understanding and trust but I don't think it is the basis for a longterm relationship. In a women, Gibbs needs quiet strength, understanding, patience and acceptance of who he is not what they want him to be. That is don't try to change him, accept that part of his heart will always be Kelly and Shannon's, there is alot left for someone willing to be patient.Ziva maybe happy in the US for awhile but in the end I think someone like her, bound up with duty to Israel would want to live there. I can't see Gibbs in Israel.

I can understand and respect your opinion, but it is not substantiated enough. I advise you in a very kind way to read all the posts in this thread, because there have been others who have argued your very valid point, and we have answered accordingly. This is the Gibbs and Ziva thread for Zibbs shippers. But, I am glad that you, as well as others, are participating in a very proper and polite manner. I believe I am not wrong when I say that NCIS' is not a soap opera, couples are just a minor issue
, and that the main purpose is to portray naval and marine criminal and otherwise situations, dealing with inner and outer intelligence, as well as other nations, in an understandable manner for the viewer, and under patriotic duty. That is the basic situation.On the other hand, and because we all know from experience that long hours, days, and weeks, life threatening situations, and extreme stress in a working environment, tend to facilitate romantic notions, we expect hooks up now and then. We, in the Zibbs thread, believe that the perfect hook up is between Gibbs and Ziva, hands down!, for all the reasons stated throughout this thread. You can stay and lurk and linger, and I do appreciate your comments.

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stevebabe wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: [qu - te=dani_ncis][qu - te=leroyswoman] Yeah! and I'll continue to repeat the same things as long as it takes. Do you think that maybe the other side considers us a threat.

Definitely!Don't you noice that the people,who post here,have only 2-5 posts on this board?!Their almost first post is here-because Ziva and Gibbs have a future-otherwise they will look at this thread and will leave it alone-something like McGee/Ziva and Abby/Gibbs thread.Our thread have maybe more posts than Ziva and Tony!

Yeah! At least our posts are substantial and have solid evidence to prove what we say.

Well you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

State your name, rank and number...now!

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ncisislove wrote:

stevebabe wrote: - ell you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

Interesting...The last time a checked,on Tony/Ziva thread didn't exist posts like "you know what...Gibbs and Ziva are going to get together...not Tony and Ziva."I can't understand,sinse Ziva/Gibbs shipper don't post such things on Tony/Ziva thread,Tiva shippers come here to only to declare love for their couple.Can you show at last some respect,when you are on this thread?!If you don't agree with us,there is a Tony/Ziva thread-go there-there is no need to come here only to say you think your couple will hook up-your posts are pointless that way. Yes,I know this post is quite offended,but really-if you want to debate on this thread,let your argument be mature-the things like"he is too old" and Z and T will hook up" are not arguments-Abby said herself "dating older men is a singh of maturity",and like dani pointed out,you are not one a writters of the show to say which couple will hook up.If you want to debate about Ziva and Gibbs will not/or yes,definitely will hook up,I gladly will read your posts.

I'm sorry i insulted you

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michelle3246 wrote: But it looks like Tony has a thing for Ziva, don't you guys think so? The way Gibbs treats Ziva is more like he does to Abby, you know, as a daughter or family. This idea of Gibbs and Ziva as a couple seems a little bit akward to me....

I agree, I think the age diference is a big deal in this case. Also I think Gibbs does act like a father to his whole team everyone one of them, some more than others but they are all a family and they all know the inns and outs of each other's habits.... like a family. But because there is some love tenson between Tony and Ziva. Or so it would seem

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stevebabe wrote:

I agree, I think the age diference is a big deal in this case.

Why? Ziva is not underage. If age difference is such a big deal, then Tiva shippers shouldn't exist either, since Tony is older than Ziva as well, we should all root for a hot romance between Ziva and Mr. Palmer

Also I think Gibbs does act like a father to his whole team everyone one of them, some more than others but they are all a family and they all know the inns and outs of each other's habits.... like a family.

Or friends...or people who care about each other

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/514795.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/514795.page GMT [b]eww totaly not hes like a dad to her and abby her and tony

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stevebabe wrote:

ncisislove wrote: - nteresting...The last time a checked,on Tony/Ziva thread didn't exist posts like "you know what...Gibbs and Ziva are going to get together...not Tony and Ziva."I can't understand,sinse Ziva/Gibbs shipper don't post such things on Tony/Ziva thread,Tiva shippers come here to only to declare love for their couple.Can you show at last some respect,when you are on this thread?!If you don't agree with us,there is a Tony/Ziva thread-go there-there is no need to come here only to say you think your couple will hook up-your posts are pointless that way. Yes,I know this post is quite offended,but really-if you want to debate on this thread,let your argument be mature-the things like"he is too old" and Z and T will hook up" are not arguments-Abby said herself "dating older men is a singh of maturity",and like dani pointed out,you are not one a writters of the show to say which couple will hook up.If you want to debate about Ziva and Gibbs will not/or yes,definitely will hook up,I gladly will read your posts.

I'm sorry i insulted you

Apology accepted-and I really appreciate the fact you posted it here.Thank you.

stevebabe wrote:

mic - elle3246 wrote: But it looks like Tony has a thing for Ziva, don't you guys think so? The way Gibbs treats Ziva is more like he does to Abby, you know, as a daughter or family. This idea of Gibbs and Ziva as a couple seems a little bit akward to me....

I agree, I think the age diference is a big deal in this case. Also I think Gibbs does act like a father figure to his whole team everyone one of them, some more than others but they are all a family and they all know the inns and outs of each other's habits.... like a family. But because there is some love tenson between Tony and Ziva. Or so it would seem

ncissw32 wrote: [b]eww totaly not hes like a dad to her and abby her and tony

The age differance is a big deal only in the case one of the peopel is not mture enough.Do you think Ziva is not matureOr Gibbs?they both are adults,right?And both had to exept a lot of loss in their lifes-I don't see why the age in that case has to matter.There is a differance between father and father figure.Gibbs acts like a father to the team,because that's his job-he is the Boss-how can you expect him to behave-to allaw everyone to do what he/she wants and not to care about them?I'm a teacher-I act that way to my studemts in school-but theat doen't mean I don't have a really big frienship with some of my stdents outside of the school.When they are at aschool,'m like a mother to them-outside of the schooll I'm a friend.

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M2Van wrote: Thank you for your response Leroyswoman, but quite frankly I don't have the time to read all 42 pages. My opinion was not based on specifc espidodes or events but rather the overall series and how I see the characters.

Our position is based on the ep.and overall series and how I see the characters too.I like actualy the fact we have a different opinions,and you didn't simply post"that's wrong and will never happen",like most people here.Thank you. About "I cannot see Gibbs agreeing to children." I would agree-partly.I mean,you definitely have a point,but I' not so sure Gibbs don't want children-he is so good with children,and although he is kind of afraid to have -again-his own child -he deserves to be father again-he have a lot paternal feelings in himself.Yes,I can see him with someone , who already has a child ,but I think will be better for him if he have an childof his own.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/515338.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/515338.page GMT In brief, Ziva has shown no sexual or romantic interest in Gibbs (while she has shown some towards Tony).However, she did call Gibbs virile in Caged so she obviously recognizes his charms! I haven't noticed Mark Harmon playing Gibbs as interested in Ziva either. But I wouldn't say he behaves in a fatherly way (like sometimes he seems to with Abby). More like a mentor. I'd guess the writers will continue with TIVA for the next several episodes anyhow because a Gibbs/Ziva romance is unlikely on the show unless Mark Harmon wants it. And I don't see how the actress could keep a straight face after all the jokes he's pulled on her. However, I don't see why a difference in age would prevent Gibbs and Ziva from having a relationship. What CSI fans guessed about the secret romance with Sara? Ann

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Nina1976 wrote:

stevebabe wrote:

I agree, I think the age diference is a big deal in this case.

Why? Ziva is not underage. If age difference is such a big deal, then Tiva shippers shouldn't exist either, since Tony is older than Ziva as well, we should all root for a hot romance between Ziva and Mr. Palmer

Also I think Gibbs does act like a father to his whole team everyone one of them, some more than others but they are all a family and they all know the inns and outs of each other's habits.... like a family.

Or friends...or people who care about each other haha, thats true I have freinds who realy care about me. And I gues the age realy dosent matter that much because people get in relationships with people who are much different in age as them. Well, maybe i just dont see them together (Gibbs and Ziva)

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/518046.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/518046.page GMT I am completely new to this thread but am not for Gibbs and Ziva relationship. I think that Gibbs is concerned for all of his staff in the way he needs to be for each of their personalities but to cross the professional boundaries and be in a relationship with Ziva not only creates tension with his other employees but also blurs the line between him and Ziva and when the time comes and he and she need their heads to be "in the game", are they going to be thinking properly about the case or about each others welfare?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/519187.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/519187.page GMT I think that they have some kind of father/daughter relationship. I like they way Gibbs looks out for Ziva and tries to protect her.The way he helped her to get into the team and when he tried to help her in Shalom was very father/protector like.I like the relationship they have but I just can't see them actually getting together and having a romantic relationship but that's just my opinion.

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leroyswoman wrote:

stevebabe wrote: [qu - te=leroyswoman][qu - te=dani_ncis][qu - te=leroyswoman] Yeah! and I'll continue to repeat the same things as long as it takes. Do you think that maybe the other side considers us a threat.

Definitely!Don't you noice that the people,who post here,have only 2-5 posts on this board?!Their almost first post is here-because Ziva and Gibbs have a future-otherwise they will look at this thread and will leave it alone-something like McGee/Ziva and Abby/Gibbs thread.Our thread have maybe more posts than Ziva and Tony!

Yeah! At least our posts are substantial and have solid evidence to prove what we say.

Well you know what!? Tony and Ziva are going to get together.... not Gibbs and ziva!

State your name, rank and number...now!

haha thats a good one!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/520849.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/520849.page GMT Wow, there are so many pages on this thread. I don't like the idea of Ziva and Gibbs or even Ziva and Tony. I like the dynamics of how the show is, mixing those relationships in romance for me would spell the end of the show. I think on many occasions shows "hook up" there main characters and then they can never go back. I enjoy the fact they have seperate lives outside of their work. The hidden feelings Ziva has for Tony are fine. I don't think Gibbs would ever get involved with a member of his team. I know he was involved with Jenny, but that was a different time and place, a different Gibbs. Someone had mentioned that Gibbs said he owed Ziva for saving his life by killing Ari. Ziva has already had Gibbs pay that back in the first episode of Season 4. I think Gibbs does feel like Abbey as a daughter type, but no one could replace Kelly, no matter how close Gibbs is to his team, I don't think he would ever say...Abbey you're like a daughter, etc. He cares for his team, but won't let himself get too close because of his past. There was the episode with Abbey's crazy ex where Gibbs went into father mode, but I think we got to really see a different side of him in the Requim episode with Maddie. His connection with her was greater than his team because she knew Kelly was her best friend. Anyhow, I got a little off subject. As far as Gibbs and Ziva NO WAY.

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M2Van wrote: Thank you for your response Leroyswoman, but quite frankly I don't have the time to read all 42 pages. My opinion was not based on specifc espidodes or events but rather the overall series and how I see the characters.

Again, thank you for your very personal opinion.

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pizza_slayer wrote: In brief, Ziva has shown no sexual or romantic interest in Gibbs (while she has shown some towards Tony).However, she did call Gibbs virile in Caged so she obviously recognizes his charms! I haven't noticed Mark Harmon playing Gibbs as interested in Ziva either. But I wouldn't say he behaves in a fatherly way (like sometimes he seems to with Abby). More like a mentor. I'd guess the writers will continue with TIVA for the next several episodes anyhow because a Gibbs/Ziva romance is unlikely on the show unless Mark Harmon wants it. And I don't see how the actress could keep a straight face after all the jokes he's pulled on her. However, I don't see why a difference in age would prevent Gibbs and Ziva from having a relationship. What CSI fans guessed about the secret romance with Sara? Ann

I agree with some of what you write here cause that's the way it seems ...sometimes. (The writers and producers continue toying with the fans). IMO and being a Zibbs shipper I can say here (in a nutshell), in this very appropriate thread that, Ziva is sassy and single, and men in the show tend to gravitate towards her whether to hate her or to love (like) her. Hence, Abby didn't like her, remember? A pinch of jealousy there. Can you blame Ziva for being Ziva and Cote being good at being Ziva? (Check the ratings after the Ziva character was integrated to the show). It is obvious that Gibbs likes Ziva, but he has control, and more importantly, he teaches control. There is always a giveaway here and there. (Writers ideas, I suppose). If it is true that Mark Harmon has a say in the production process, I expect him to stay true to the purpose of the show and as real as it could be. (Which I believe is one of NCIS' strongholds internationally). This is one of the reasons I continue to say that, realistically, Tony should go out and look for, and find Jeanne, his soulmate. Plus, there are times when Ziva tries to confide personal things to Gibbs or Tony and they both brush her off. Literally. We the fans and viewers get confused. (IMO, a very soapy strategy which I am not too fond of). I mean, who is to say that Ziva intended to confess to Tony her love for him in the "I'm tired of pretending" scene? Maybe she is tired of concealing her love and admiration for Gibbs, her soulmate!!!!! and wanted her partner to help her. Who knows?!?!?! There is something else that sticks with me. If the show is as realistic as I think it is, the who-really-killed-Ari situation will be brought up in the future.

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leroyswoman wrote: I mean, who is to say that Ziva intended to confess to Tony her love for him in the "I'm tired of pretending" scene? Maybe she is tired of concealing her love and admiration for Gibbs, her soulmate!!!!! and wanted her partner to help her. Who knows?!?!?! There is something else that sticks with me. If the show is as realistic as I think it is, the who-really-killed-Ari situation will be brought up in the future.

I agree with thaat will all my heart!It's always about interpretation. I mean-Ziva and Tony talked about soulmates-we think "oh,there is something there"BUT when the woman said to Ziva"Have you met your soul mate,miss?"-at that point Gibbs opens the door,and we think-oh,there has to be something/because we don't believe in coincidences. / The same thing we can see in "Black Water" scene,where Kate had to go out with the suspect -when she was dressing,Tony decided to make her look hot-on that scene all aKate/Tony shippers said"oh,that was hot",BUT Kate listen to Gibbs opinion /"You looked better the other way,Kate"/,and rearranged her hair and clothes-that scene warmed Kate/Gibbs shippers heart.These 2 scenes are fine example how on one scene can exist 2 completely different POV.It's all about the interpretation.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/522653.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/522653.page GMT Jeanne and Tony are over.It could never be what it was because now Jeannes father is dead murdered by Jenny. At first Jeanne blamed Tony out of guilt. Tony loved Jeanne, but he knew just as Fornell said (You know it could never work). Why because he would have to leave all ties with NCIS and any of his police training to become an Internet Professor. Jeanne is not going to forget her father and how he died Tony will allways be tied to that. As much as they loved each other in the past the end of their relationdhip would only be a nightmare for both of them. As bad as it was the way Tony said goodbye to Jeanne it was better for her so she could get on with her life. As much as they loved each other too much has happened for them to just forgive and forget. I did not like the Frog storyline it ruined too many lives. Gibbs and Ziva understand each other. Tony and Ziva work well together. Its anybodys guess who will end up together. But it cant be Tony and Jeanne that story wouldnt work. Allthough Cort is in tonights show about Duckythat should be good. Sorry for my rambling .

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slaveathome wrote: Jeanne and Tony are over.It could never be what it was because now Jeannes father is dead murdered by Jenny. At first Jeanne blamed Tony out of guilt. Tony loved Jeanne, but he knew just as Fornell said (You know it could never work). Why because he would have to leave all ties with NCIS and any of his police training to become an Internet Professor. Jeanne is not going to forget her father and how he died Tony will allways be tied to that. As much as they loved each other in the past the end of their relationdhip would only be a nightmare for both of them. As bad as it was the way Tony said goodbye to Jeanne it was better for her so she could get on with her life. As much as they loved each other too much has happened for them to just forgive and forget. I did not like the Frog storyline it ruined too many lives. Gibbs and Ziva understand each other. Tony and Ziva work well together. Its anybodys guess who will end up together. But it cant be Tony and Jeanne that story wouldnt work. Allthough Cort is in tonights show about Duckythat should be good. Sorry for my rambling .

Okay, I got it. But remember if the writers want it to work, they'll make it happen no matter what. I loved Tony-in-love with Jeanne. He became another person. Unfortunately, he slipped back to his silly old self when he chose it. We can never know for sure what he is doing when not at the shipyard or in the field. We just don't know what any of them do at home. And while we're rambling here, I find Cort really sexy. Can't wait for tonite's episode.

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dani_ncis wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: I mean, who is to say that Ziva intended to confess to Tony her love for him in the "I'm tired of pretending" scene? Maybe she is tired of concealing her love and admiration for Gibbs, her soulmate!!!!! and wanted her partner to help her. Who knows?!?!?! There is something else that sticks with me. If the show is as realistic as I think it is, the who-really-killed-Ari situation will be brought up in the future.

I agree with thaat will all my heart!It's always about interpretation. I mean-Ziva and Tony talked about soulmates-we think "oh,there is something there"BUT when the woman said to Ziva"Have you met your soul mate,miss?"-at that point Gibbs opens the door,and we think-oh,there has to be something/because we don't believe in coincidences. / The same thing we can see in "Black Water" scene,where Kate had to go out with the suspect -when she was dressing,Tony decided to make her look hot-on that scene all aKate/Tony shippers said"oh,that was hot",BUT Kate listen to Gibbs opinion /"You looked better the other way,Kate"/,and rearranged her hair and clothes-that scene warmed Kate/Gibbs shippers heart.These 2 scenes are fine example how on one scene can exist 2 completely different POV.It's all about the interpretation.

Can't agree more!! That is one of the keys of this show: There are no coincidences. Therefore, everything has to be interpreted according to "them" or according to us. I wouldn't have it any other way. This is what has me hooked. All the intrigue and the viewers not being sure about anything unless a character explains it to us. The obvious usually is not the truth (another key). The show is never, ever, predictable. So anything can happen. Thus, Ziva/Gibbs seems more and more possible, and probable, with each new episode.

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michelle3246 wrote: But it looks like Tony has a thing for Ziva, don't you guys think so? The way Gibbs treats Ziva is more like he does to Abby, you know, as a daughter or family. This idea of Gibbs and Ziva as a couple seems a little bit akward to me....

I agree. I think Gibbs and Ziva being a couple would be extremely awkward, but somehow Tony and Ziva would be a good match. That's what I was think, like "Why would Ziva and Gibbs have a thing for each other, I thought it was Tony and Ziva?" I guess I should start watching more closely..

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ncissw32 wrote: [b]eww totaly not hes like a dad to her and abby her and tony

Haha i agree and I love your picture!

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stevebabe wrote:

ncissw32 wrote: [b]eww totaly not hes like a dad to her and abby her and tony

Haha i agree and I love your picture!

Excuse me,but to deny a potential relationship because of the age is unfair-if people are mature,the age don't have a place in the relationship.

No way, bring back the director. I think she is still alive. It should be Ziva and Tony

The same woman,who sent him a Dear John letter,always interfere with his professional and personal life,althought she said she is not interested in relationship with him/"there will be not "off the job"-Kill AriI/,who didn't tell him or someone else his life may be in danger?!No,thank you-she is too irresponsible and indecisive for my taste.

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MGyo wrote:

michelle3246 wrote: But it looks like Tony has a thing for Ziva, don't you guys think so? The way Gibbs treats Ziva is more like he does to Abby, you know, as a daughter or family. This idea of Gibbs and Ziva as a couple seems a little bit akward to me....

I agree. I think Gibbs and Ziva being a couple would be extremely awkward, but somehow Tony and Ziva would be a good match. That's what I was think, like "Why would Ziva and Gibbs have a thing for each other, I thought it was Tony and Ziva?" I guess I should start watching more closely..

I thought Tony and Kate had a thing, too. I guess it's up to the writers. Judging from last nights epi (which I loved BTW), we don't know for sure, do we?

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leroyswoman wrote: I thought Tony and Kate had a thing, too. I guess it's up to the writers. Judging from last nights epi (which I loved BTW), we don't know for sure, do we?

Just for the record - DPB commented on the chemestry between Gibbs and Kate in a few interviews.I didn't read anything from DPB,which shows he thought for a possible relationship between Tony and Kate.

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leroyswoman wrote:

MGyo wrote:

m - chelle3246 wrote: But it looks like Tony has a thing for Ziva, don't you guys think so? The way Gibbs treats Ziva is more like he does to Abby, you know, as a daughter or family. This idea of Gibbs and Ziva as a couple seems a little bit akward to me....

I agree. I think Gibbs and Ziva being a couple would be extremely awkward, but somehow Tony and Ziva would be a good match. That's what I was think, like "Why would Ziva and Gibbs have a thing for each other, I thought it was Tony and Ziva?" I guess I should start watching more closely..

I thought Tony and Kate had a thing, too. I guess it's up to the writers. Judging from last nights epi (which I loved BTW), we don't know for sure, do we?

Ahh! Don't tell me yet! I didn't get to see it because American Idol started. Thank God for On Demand! I'll probably be watching it tonight after church or tomorrow..

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leroyswoman wrote: I enjoy your opinions very much. But did you see last nights ep?

No.I didn't have a chance to watch it yet,but by your reaction I suppose it's very good....

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/525365.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/525365.page GMT I think the producers and writers are toying with us. LOL. I think Gibbs and Ziva have more chemistry especially in episodes such as (Silver War & Recoil). Gibbs always seems to get Ziva to open up or whatever. Who did she call for help in (Shalom)? True you would think that her and Tony would be together because they went undercover as married assassins in (Undercover) and were boxed in together in a freight box in (Boxed In) but if they were to get together it would ruin their flirting, etc. They keep things from one another and if they were to become a couple, you shouldn't keep secrets from one another. The couple list should be this and could work if they are responsible enough to leave it out of the workplace and wait till it hits the elevator. LOL They are:Gibbs/ZivaMcGee/AbbyDu cky/J - rdan (the doc from last night & another episode)Tony/Jeanne or another woman would be interestingVance is married.Either way the producers and writers go with this, it will still be good to watch. I like all the characters anyways, past and present. They keep us entertained every Tuesday night. The re-runs are even fun to watch.

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JoAnna1275 wrote: I think the producers and writers are toying with us. LOL. I think Gibbs and Ziva have more chemistry especially in episodes such as (Silver War & Recoil). Gibbs always seems to get Ziva to open up or whatever. Who did she call for help in (Shalom)? True you would think that her and Tony would be together because they went undercover as married assassins in (Undercover) and were boxed in together in a freight box in (Boxed In) but if they were to get together it would ruin their flirting, etc. They keep things from one another and if they were to become a couple, you shouldn't keep secrets from one another. The couple list should be this and could work if they are responsible enough to leave it out of the workplace and wait till it hits the elevator. LOL They are:Gibbs/ZivaMcGee/AbbyDu cky/J - rdan (the doc from last night & another episode)Tony/Jeanne or another woman would be interestingVance is married.Either way the producers and writers go with this, it will still be good to watch. I like all the characters anyways, past and present. They keep us entertained every Tuesday night. The re-runs are even fun to watch.

Took the words out of my mouth. I add that four seasons with Tony and he hasn't made a realistic move on Ziva, really makes me think. Besides Tony the character has not changed in six seasons. What's the beef?!? writers...hello! Whereas, Ziva and Gibbs have evolved, last night they were a perfectly oiled machine, mirroring actions and thoughts, even movements. (check out, if you can, the scene on the sofa). Gave me an insight that was not there before. Abby was amazing!

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MGyo wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

I hope you're not thinking that he may get killed off! Cause I love him, too.

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leroyswoman wrote: I enjoy your opinions very much. But did you see last nights ep?

Last nights episode I thought was a little confusing at first but I'm glad that it is all good for Ducky. I always knew that he was a good man.

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MGyo wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

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cawley355 wrote: No way, bring back the director. I think she is still alive. It should be Ziva and Tony

I think that they should bring back the director but did you see the one episode where there was a father who was charged for kidnapping and murder? In that episode Gibbs showed the director how great he was with kids and it looked like the director realy missed being in a relationship with him. She realy wanted him to stay over and I think she stilll loved him. But I can see them together again. it just might be wierd.

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leroyswoman wrote:

MGyo wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

I hope you're not thinking that he may get killed off! Cause I love him, too.

AHH!! NO NO NO! The show would never be the same. I don't think there is a reason right now for him to be killed off... At least I hope not.

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stevebabe wrote:

MGyo wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

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MGyo wrote:

stevebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Right you are! Wonder how that happened. Good thing about diggresions is that they are temporary. And...now that you've tempted me... back to the topic... did anyone see that the 01/13 ep was like set in a future? I remember Tony telling Ziva in I don't remember which ep that he was living in a world that is not hers. And we all know how the writers keep track of all details and tie them together in future episodes, and you get that "oh, yeah, now it makes sense" feeling at times; well, Ziva and Gibbs were like glued together like one in last Tuesday's episode. It's not like they haven't been doing this since seasons 4, 5 and 6, but this time it really felt like something had already happened between them. (how's that for a comeback!?)

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leroyswoman wrote:

MGyo wrote:

s - evebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Right you are! Wonder how that happened. Good thing about diggresions is that they are temporary. And...now that you've tempted me... back to the topic... did anyone see that the 01/13 ep was like set in a future? I remember Tony telling Ziva in I don't remember which ep that he was living in a world that is not hers. And we all know how the writers keep track of all details and tie them together in future episodes, and you get that "oh, yeah, now it makes sense" feeling at times; well, Ziva and Gibbs were like glued together like one in last Tuesday's episode. It's not like they haven't been doing this since seasons 4, 5 and 6, but this time it really felt like something had already happened between them. (how's that for a comeback!?)

Very good, very good. Except that fact that I haven't watched that episode! !! I'll be watching it during lunch though, so I will get back to you soon on that.

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MGyo wrote:

leroyswoman wrote:

M - yo wrote:

s - evebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Right you are! Wonder how that happened. Good thing about diggresions is that they are temporary. And...now that you've tempted me... back to the topic... did anyone see that the 01/13 ep was like set in a future? I remember Tony telling Ziva in I don't remember which ep that he was living in a world that is not hers. And we all know how the writers keep track of all details and tie them together in future episodes, and you get that "oh, yeah, now it makes sense" feeling at times; well, Ziva and Gibbs were like glued together like one in last Tuesday's episode. It's not like they haven't been doing this since seasons 4, 5 and 6, but this time it really felt like something had already happened between them. (how's that for a comeback!?)

Very good, very good. Except that fact that I haven't watched that episode! !! I'll be watching it during lunch though, so I will get back to you soon on that.

Looking forward to your comments.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/528160.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/528160.page GMT Oohh. The 1/13 episode was intense! Poor Ducky lived a life before hand that was meant to be good, but turned out only to give him grief in the future.. So the guy with the one eye (I did not catch his name) was torturing people just to torture Ducky? Am I right? That's horrible.

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leroyswoman wrote:

JoAnna1275 wrote: [b - I think the producers and writers are toying with us. LOL. I think Gibbs and Ziva have more chemistry especially in episodes such as (Silver War & Recoil). Gibbs always seems to get Ziva to open up or whatever. Who did she call for help in (Shalom)? True you would think that her and Tony would be together because they went undercover as married assassins in (Undercover) and were boxed in together in a freight box in (Boxed In) but if they were to get together it would ruin their flirting, etc. They keep things from one another and if they were to become a couple, you shouldn't keep secrets from one another. The couple list should be this and could work if they are responsible enough to leave it out of the workplace and wait till it hits the elevator. LOL They are:Gibbs/ZivaMcGee/AbbyDu cky/J - rdan (the doc from last night & another episode)Tony/Jeanne or another woman would be interestingVance is married.Either way the producers and writers go with this, it will still be good to watch. I like all the characters anyways, past and present. They keep us entertained every Tuesday night. The re-runs are even fun to watch. [/b]

Took the words out of my mouth. I add that four seasons with Tony and he hasn't made a realistic move on Ziva, really makes me think. Besides Tony the character has not changed in six seasons. What's the beef?!? writers...hello! Whereas, Ziva and Gibbs have evolved, last night they were a perfectly oiled machine, mirroring actions and thoughts, even movements. (check out, if you can, the scene on the sofa). Gave me an insight that was not there before. Abby was amazing!

I loved the Gibbs Ziva scene in the last episode,they understood each other so much.Gibbs was quoting from a book (maybe the Bible?I have to rewatch)Does anyone know what Ziva said after that?

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leroyswoman wrote: Besides Tony the character has not changed in six seasons.

Tony have changed a lot. I can't believe you said that, I heard most people say they seen how much he changed. I would say him ziva and McGee are the ones that changed the most. Gibbs probably been set in a new direction now that Mark is a producer.

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MGyo wrote:

stevebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Haha yeah so true!

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leroyswoman wrote:

MGyo wrote:

s - evebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Right you are! Wonder how that happened. Good thing about diggresions is that they are temporary. And...now that you've tempted me... back to the topic... did anyone see that the 01/13 ep was like set in a future? I remember Tony telling Ziva in I don't remember which ep that he was living in a world that is not hers. And we all know how the writers keep track of all details and tie them together in future episodes, and you get that "oh, yeah, now it makes sense" feeling at times; well, Ziva and Gibbs were like glued together like one in last Tuesday's episode. It's not like they haven't been doing this since seasons 4, 5 and 6, but this time it really felt like something had already happened between them. (how's that for a comeback!?)

I will say that there is definetly something between gibbs and ziva. But in the last episode I don't think there was any showing of feeling out of the ordinary.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/529223.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/22374/529223.page GMT OOOkay -- as someone who was married to a woman 20 years his junior for 20 years, let me say that Gibbs/Ziva is feasible, and even believable, but -- it would be a violation of Gibbs's professional ethic. It has been made pretty clear that his relationship with Jenny happened under extreme circumstances, and when they were more or less equals. My ex is a lot like Ziva, and very competitive with men; she reacts exactly like Ziva to very macho guys. (She'd hand Tony his head at least once a day).I think Gibbs works with Ziva as a father figure, but not as an equal. It would go south very quickly.

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stevebabe wrote:

leroyswoman wrote: [qu - te=MGyo]

s - evebabe wrote:

MGy - wrote: Yeah, I guess that's true too. Tony's character has pretty much stayed the same. I never really thought of that.. But who couldn't love him? The show would have an empty "hole" without him there.

Haha yes! I so agree. I think Tony is like the normal brother or best friend in the show. He makes it fun.

That he does. Wow, this board has totally gotten off the topic of Gibbs/Ziva to Tony. Hahaha!

Right you are! Wonder how that happened. Good thing about diggresions is that they are temporary. And...now that you've tempted me... back to the topic... did anyone see that the 01/13 ep was like set in a future? I remember Tony telling Ziva in I don't remember which ep that he was living in a world that is not hers. And we all know how the writers keep track of all details and tie them together in future episodes, and you get that "oh, yeah, now it makes sense" feeling at times; well, Ziva and Gibbs were like glued together like one in last Tuesday's episode. It's not like they haven't been doing this since seasons 4, 5 and 6, but this time it really felt like something had already happened between them. (how's that for a comeback!?)

I will say that there is definetly something between gibbs and ziva. But in the last episode I don't think there was any showing of feeling out of the ordinary.