reyb99 wrote: Marcus, Corrine definitely are the Evil in my eyes.After the previous TC, the way they come onto Susie... is really uncalled for. And they expected Susie to vote whatever way they wanted? LOL... They told Susie that whatever problems she had with Corrine should be mentioned earlier and not only at TC. What HYPOCRITES!! Did you guys tell Dan he's eating too much? Or that they're gonna vote him off? Did they tell Susie she's going off next? OF course they didn't, I don't expect them to, but they played the "holier than thou" card on Susie which really just shows their character.And Marcus had the nerve to call the people who vote him out as 'Villians'?! When have you ever included Susie in your alliance? That's right - NEVER.Good riddance!

cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

alkikodibear wrote: I have not played dungeons and dragons for years but below is my D&D assessmentsusie & crystal chaotic evil. matty and bob are paladins sugar, ken & charlie chaotic goodcorriene & randy - evil (and proud of it)

tribevibe1 wrote: Good-Old prospero message board with spell check, ability to quote exact portions of a person's post in reply, ability to creat tables, ability to post links, easier to use, easier to modify colors and size, easier to place defined spaces, privacy settings (none here), anti-annoyance settings (e.g. ignore button), and more.Good-the CBS executiove that was brilliant enough to choose ProsperoEvil-this new message board that gives away so much and only adds polls, PMs and that social networking stuff that most of us didn't want.Evil-the CBS exectutive-presumably CBS 1- who made this terrible decision for all the fans probably just to save a little money. Shame on you. Many of your long time regulars are gone. I had heard how bad the boards were going to be but I said they shouldn't panic and should maintain an open mind. EVERYONE WAS RIGHT. THEY ARE TERRIBLE. You knew that CBS executive but you didn't care.

Again we are in agreement! *BAND*

fornaxus wrote:

alkikodibear wrote: I have not played dungeons and dragons for years but below is my D&D assessmentsusie & crystal chaotic evil. matty and bob are paladins sugar, ken & charlie chaotic goodcorriene & randy - evil (and proud of it)

I like what you started here, so I'm going to expand upon it. Susie: Chaotic Neutral - Will swing whatever way get's her what she wants, but she doesn't revel in doing the dark deed. Crystal: Neutral Evil - Will backstab, lie, cheat, whatever it takes to be on top. She enjoys screwing with people, and ultimately cares only about herself. Matty: Lawful Good - Yeah, I said it. Lawful Good. He likes being a good guy, keeps his word, and honestly strives for success. His going back for Crystal and Gillian in that first challenge clenched the "good" part. Bob: Lawful Good - This is a no-brainer. Everything we've seen suggests ethics, morals and human warmth. Loyal to the end, even his own. Sugar: Chaotic Good - Honestly sweet person, but can't get a handle on doing "for the tribe". She's definitely out for herself, but she means absolutely no harm in it. Ken: True Neutral - The whole battle of good and evil means very little to him. It's about the game, and while the game has rules, it also has loopholes. He'll exploit them without warning or regret. Charlie: Lawful Neutral - Loyal as all getout, but he's not tied down to doing the right thing. He's tied down by his personal connections, instead. Corinne: Chaotic Neutral - Much like Suzie, she'll do what she has to, regardless of her word, to get ahead, but for all her "owning" the word "bitch", she doesn't take pleasure from others' pain. She's just a bit uppity. Randy: Chaotic Evil - Randy loves the mahem. It's his environment, because in the confusion he's sitting in the shadows, waiting for the right time to backstab, slipping right back into the dark. And what's more, he loves doing it. In other words, he's my favorite to win.

swan108 wrote: Jeff has repeatedly said that Corinne is the biggest bitch he's ever met to the extent that she's scarey...that's how mean she is. She was recruited to be on the show, never watched any reality tv before (including Survivor) and just reading her interviews gives a good idea of how nasty this girl is. I don't think Jeff and Dalton would continue to talk about how downright nasty this girl is if she wasn't; it's possible through editing we haven't seen the worst of her...yet. But if you watch, there's been enough footage to notice a self absorbed me me me attitude. As a obsessed LOST viewer, i've learned to be trained to pick up on small details. From Jeff's EW Blog after last episode it appears we'll be getting another glimpse of what Corrrine's about when she sees Marcus is gone. He's mentioned that Sugar and Corinne hate each other and "it will be interesting to see how sweet and sour" coexist together....there's your clue to the beginning of Good and Evil. Everything i've read and seen would indicate she is not just a bitch, she's toxic...and is Randy really evil and Matty so good? IMHO, any survivor who's no longer on the show doesn't play into the Good vs Evil theory that Jeff speaks of; they're a mute point now...he spoke of a "good vs evil" scenario going forward, so we're talking about the 9 remaining survivors at this point. And for the record, there are 5 people this year who are actual applicants, the rest are all recruits. Sugar is doing nothing more than acting a part (referring to her own interview) and she sees this as another role to get her face on TV...it's a joke. At least Ace and Randy are actual applicants, as are Crystal, Ken and Susie...Charlie has always been a fan of the show, but he's a recruit too. As a fan of Survivor since season 1, i'd prefer a winner to be an actual fan of the show, someone who has actually applied and is taking this seriously...not someone who was chosen because of the way they look or because someones agent got them the "job".

cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

GOOD: Bob, Ken, Crystal, Susie.EVIL: Jessica, Corinne, Matty, Randy

Locotje wrote:

GOOD: Bob, Ken, Crystal, Susie.EVIL: Jessica, Corinne, Matty, Randy

Are you serious you actually think that Sugar and Matty are evil and Kenny and Crystal are good whats more you don't know what category Charlie is in,he and Sugar have the biggest heart of them all.pls explain to me why you think Matty and Sugar are evil and Kenny and Crystal are good i dare you because i don't see it at all.

fornaxus wrote:

alkikodibear wrote: I have not played dungeons and dragons for years but below is my D&D assessmentsusie & crystal chaotic evil. matty and bob are paladins sugar, ken & charlie chaotic goodcorriene & randy - evil (and proud of it)

I like what you started here, so I'm going to expand upon it. Susie: Chaotic Neutral - Will swing whatever way get's her what she wants, but she doesn't revel in doing the dark deed. Crystal: Neutral Evil - Will backstab, lie, cheat, whatever it takes to be on top. She enjoys screwing with people, and ultimately cares only about herself. Matty: Lawful Good - Yeah, I said it. Lawful Good. He likes being a good guy, keeps his word, and honestly strives for success. His going back for Crystal and Gillian in that first challenge clenched the "good" part. Bob: Lawful Good - This is a no-brainer. Everything we've seen suggests ethics, morals and human warmth. Loyal to the end, even his own. Sugar: Chaotic Good - Honestly sweet person, but can't get a handle on doing "for the tribe". She's definitely out for herself, but she means absolutely no harm in it. Ken: True Neutral - The whole battle of good and evil means very little to him. It's about the game, and while the game has rules, it also has loopholes. He'll exploit them without warning or regret. Charlie: Lawful Neutral - Loyal as all getout, but he's not tied down to doing the right thing. He's tied down by his personal connections, instead. Corinne: Chaotic Neutral - Much like Suzie, she'll do what she has to, regardless of her word, to get ahead, but for all her "owning" the word "bitch", she doesn't take pleasure from others' pain. She's just a bit uppity. Randy: Chaotic Evil - Randy loves the mahem. It's his environment, because in the confusion he's sitting in the shadows, waiting for the right time to backstab, slipping right back into the dark. And what's more, he loves doing it. In other words, he's my favorite to win.

navel_lint wrote: I'm not falling for the "Good vs. Evil" propoganda. This season has been a real downer. Fact is, these people are very uninteresting. The fact that the tribes had to be messed with so much proves that even the producers knew that this season stunk. The stupid elephant was probably staged as well (ok I know that's probably not true but I had to say it).

hppygolucky wrote: Kudos to you both---what a great way to categorize!!! I should've known that you were a D&D player--there's just "something" about you--I knew you were awesome, now it's confirmed!!! I used to play in HS and college, then when my son was in 7th grade, I DM'ed for him and his friends when they started a group...major fun!

torilynn79 wrote: YOU NEED TO KEPT YOUR EYE ON RANDY,

hppygolucky wrote:

fornaxus wrote: [quo - e=alkikodibear] I have not played dungeons and dragons for years but below is my D&D assessmentsusie & crystal chaotic evil. matty and bob are paladins sugar, ken & charlie chaotic goodcorriene & randy - evil (and proud of it)

I like what you started here, so I'm going to expand upon it. Susie: Chaotic Neutral - Will swing whatever way get's her what she wants, but she doesn't revel in doing the dark deed. Crystal: Neutral Evil - Will backstab, lie, cheat, whatever it takes to be on top. She enjoys screwing with people, and ultimately cares only about herself. Matty: Lawful Good - Yeah, I said it. Lawful Good. He likes being a good guy, keeps his word, and honestly strives for success. His going back for Crystal and Gillian in that first challenge clenched the "good" part. Bob: Lawful Good - This is a no-brainer. Everything we've seen suggests ethics, morals and human warmth. Loyal to the end, even his own. Sugar: Chaotic Good - Honestly sweet person, but can't get a handle on doing "for the tribe". She's definitely out for herself, but she means absolutely no harm in it. Ken: True Neutral - The whole battle of good and evil means very little to him. It's about the game, and while the game has rules, it also has loopholes. He'll exploit them without warning or regret. Charlie: Lawful Neutral - Loyal as all getout, but he's not tied down to doing the right thing. He's tied down by his personal connections, instead. Corinne: Chaotic Neutral - Much like Suzie, she'll do what she has to, regardless of her word, to get ahead, but for all her "owning" the word "bitch", she doesn't take pleasure from others' pain. She's just a bit uppity. Randy: Chaotic Evil - Randy loves the mahem. It's his environment, because in the confusion he's sitting in the shadows, waiting for the right time to backstab, slipping right back into the dark. And what's more, he loves doing it. In other words, he's my favorite to win.

alkikodibear wrote: thanks-- had to quit D&D-- I ended up sleeping on the couch too much. I always pushed the limits of my chaotic characters. drove my husband nuts. I did not mean to kill him when I shoved him through the portal-- the group needed to know if it was booby-trapped. (well actually he was lawful good that night. very marcus. very much in control of the group. I did not meant to kill him- honest) yep- still married- 26 years and going for the gold.

bubbasqueen wrote:

torilynn79 wrote: YOU NEED TO KEPT YOUR EYE ON RANDY,

Yes, I like Randy. At least he has been consistently, "What you see, is what you get." Frankly, I understand him. I wouldn't mind seeing him win.

ohnoh wrote: His mother never taught him good sportsmanship. He sneered and jeered his old tribe, intimidating every step of the way. Had he drawn the short straw in this season, I am sure his game play would have been much different. He is just as egotistical if not more so than ACE.

ca_treehugs wrote: A) I think the good vs evil gambit is nothing more than a marketing toolB) I think it must be great to be admin and make your thread stay at the top of the page no matter how many posts should be above it by "normal" rules of ascendancy.

ca_treehugs wrote: A) I think the good vs evil gambit is nothing more than a marketing toolB) I think it must be great to be admin and make your thread stay at the top of the page no matter how many posts should be above it by "normal" rules of ascendancy.

hockeyson wrote:

swan108 wrote: Jeff has repeatedly said that Corinne is the biggest bitch he's ever met to the extent that she's scarey...that's how mean she is. She was recruited to be on the show, never watched any reality tv before (including Survivor) and just reading her interviews gives a good idea of how nasty this girl is. I don't think Jeff and Dalton would continue to talk about how downright nasty this girl is if she wasn't; it's possible through editing we haven't seen the worst of her...yet. But if you watch, there's been enough footage to notice a self absorbed me me me attitude. As a obsessed LOST viewer, i've learned to be trained to pick up on small details. From Jeff's EW Blog after last episode it appears we'll be getting another glimpse of what Corrrine's about when she sees Marcus is gone. He's mentioned that Sugar and Corinne hate each other and "it will be interesting to see how sweet and sour" coexist together....there's your clue to the beginning of Good and Evil. Everything i've read and seen would indicate she is not just a bitch, she's toxic...and is Randy really evil and Matty so good? IMHO, any survivor who's no longer on the show doesn't play into the Good vs Evil theory that Jeff speaks of; they're a mute point now...he spoke of a "good vs evil" scenario going forward, so we're talking about the 9 remaining survivors at this point. And for the record, there are 5 people this year who are actual applicants, the rest are all recruits. Sugar is doing nothing more than acting a part (referring to her own interview) and she sees this as another role to get her face on TV...it's a joke. At least Ace and Randy are actual applicants, as are Crystal, Ken and Susie...Charlie has always been a fan of the show, but he's a recruit too. As a fan of Survivor since season 1, i'd prefer a winner to be an actual fan of the show, someone who has actually applied and is taking this seriously...not someone who was chosen because of the way they look or because someones agent got them the "job".

Wow! This has got to be the best post I've read in a long time! I think that you are right on the money with this one! I totally agree with you about the whole recruits vs. applicants thing. I'm tired of seeing mactors on the show. That's why I've been rooting for Randy and Susie all season. I know they both are big fans of the show. I didn't know about the rest. I'm really shocked that Ace wasn't recruited. He seems like the type of guy who would be recruited. I guess there's a first for everything.~Hockeyson

big34snoopy wrote: Good:Charlie - ugar - BobMattyWomen are always evil and they we lead the men to bite the apple, and die

wyoseeker wrote:

big34snoopy wrote: - Good:Charlie - ugar - BobMattyWomen are always evil and they we lead the men to bite the apple, and die

Oh really, "women are always evil"?? Are you trolling for a fight there, mister? First of all, if women are always evil, why is Sugar on your "good" list? And more importantly, what about the many women who have selflessly served others? All the female saints and healers over the centuries, as well as more modern teachers, nurses, social workers, etc. Not to mention mothers, aunts, grandmothers. You can't tell me that you think Mother Theresa is evil, can you? Really? If so, what a sad life you must lead, thinking that half the population is evil.

pigeonlady wrote:

ca_treehugs wrote: [c - lor=green]A) I think the good vs evil gambit is nothing more than a marketing toolB) I think it must be great to be admin and make your thread stay at the top of the page no matter how many posts should be above it by "normal" rules of ascendancy. [/color]

Glad I'm not the only one that thought that. I also like the added touch, "Hot Topic" in the title. Since it's stickied to the top forever, of course it's a hot topic... It'll always be the first thread you see. Even when folks stop posting to it, it'll stay at the top of the board for all to read. With that said ( ), I don't see this Survivor as any more "good vs. evil" than any other season of Survivor has been. They've all had their good and 'evil' players (remember Jonny Fairplay?). I think CBS is trying to attach a theme to this season that really isn't there... At least, it's no different than other seasons .... A group of people with varied personalities trying to achieve the same goal (to win a million dollars) the best way they know how. All these different personalities have been in every other Survivor too.

navel_lint wrote: I'm not falling for the "Good vs. Evil" propoganda. This season has been a real downer. Fact is, these people are very uninteresting. The fact that the tribes had to be messed with so much proves that even the producers knew that this season stunk. The stupid elephant was probably staged as well (ok I know that's probably not true but I had to say it).

I totally agree...they need to step up the next survivor interviews and get some people with some backbone and personality. Its not just a push shove type deal here...its how to survive and get there by scheming, betraying and winning comps. Hopefully it will pick up once the stragglers are ALL gone...

Blackstream wrote: Who I think falls into the Good categoryMatty - All around good honest guy. Swears by his girlfriend and actually means it. Wants to win, but doesn't want to backstab anyone.Sugar - She seems like a good person, although she's easy to mislead. She felt bad when she was going to the sugar shack every few days to eat while her tribe starved. I think she definately falls into the good category.Bob - Great guy. I hope I'm half as awesome as he is when I'm his age.Charlie - He seems like a cool guy. I'm trying not to let my biases show since I'm rooting for Fang, but he definately has seemed loyal and good hearted.Ken - He seems like the kind of good and nice guy that everyone likes. He's stayed fairly true to his alliances (except for Kelly, and I don't count Ace as Ken was sorta forced into that one). It's debatable though.EvilCrystal - She's loyal, but she gets into a lot of fights, and based on an interview with Ace and Dan is actually way worse than she's being edited to appear. When she votes people off, she's always bitter about it. So she's probably on the evil side.Corinne - She's pretty much the poster child for evil.Randy - If Corinne is the queen, Randy is the king.Susie - She drifts from alliance to alliance as the wind blows. She's not straight up evil, but she's super unreliable.I can totally see Ken portrayed as evil since it looks like he lied to Sugar and he's a super schemer, and Susie portrayed as good since she's just trying to survive and no one wants her, however.

Blackstream wrote: Who I think falls into the Good categoryMatty - All around good honest guy. Swears by his girlfriend and actually means it. Wants to win, but doesn't want to backstab anyone.Sugar - She seems like a good person, although she's easy to mislead. She felt bad when she was going to the sugar shack every few days to eat while her tribe starved. I think she definately falls into the good category.Bob - Great guy. I hope I'm half as awesome as he is when I'm his age.Charlie - He seems like a cool guy. I'm trying not to let my biases show since I'm rooting for Fang, but he definately has seemed loyal and good hearted.Ken - He seems like the kind of good and nice guy that everyone likes. He's stayed fairly true to his alliances (except for Kelly, and I don't count Ace as Ken was sorta forced into that one). It's debatable though.EvilCrystal - She's loyal, but she gets into a lot of fights, and based on an interview with Ace and Dan is actually way worse than she's being edited to appear. When she votes people off, she's always bitter about it. So she's probably on the evil side.Corinne - She's pretty much the poster child for evil.Randy - If Corinne is the queen, Randy is the king.Susie - She drifts from alliance to alliance as the wind blows. She's not straight up evil, but she's super unreliable.I can totally see Ken portrayed as evil since it looks like he lied to Sugar and he's a super schemer, and Susie portrayed as good since she's just trying to survive and no one wants her, however.

mizzymm wrote: Both Marcus and Crystal tried using eachother and Crystal came out on top. Marcus wanted to vote Kenny out after Crystal told him anyone except Kenny, why the hell did Marcus go there, even if he told Crystal , if you have a problem with that tell me, HELLO!!! she did and you still bought up his name.The seed was planted, if I was CRystal I would'nt trust Marcus from that point on...There's a video where Marcus tells Kenny he's going to vote him out, what was Kenny and Crystal who have been together from the very start supposed to do, It would be the same thing if Crystal. kenny, and Matty were in a team with Marcus and Charlie and after the fact that Crystal knew they were close ,she would tell Marcus ,we're voting for Charlie.Sorry Marcus you were outplayed.

kdthompson wrote: This is my first year watching Survior. Everyone on BB forum said it was a must see so I have been watching and enjoying. It is so funny that we are all watching the same show but see the "good and evil" people so differently. Marcus, Charlie, and Bob have been my favs since the begining. I just do not understand how Marcus and Charlie are seen as evil. I think Marcus got ahead of himself for sure. Things were going so good for so long with his tribe and he was the clear leader. When he got to the other tribe he was lost and felt the need to take charge and it got him kicked out. I would not call him evil just maybe too eager. Charlie has not said anything bad about anyone from what I have seen. What got him kicked out was his loyalty to his alliance. I think loyalty is a good character trait; just not to others who are not allied with you. I think Kenny and Crystal are awful. Crystal claimed she is staight up and a person knows where they stand with her. What about Marcus? I do not think she was so honest with him; if she was she would have not agreed to work with him. Of couse it was dumb for Marcus to think Crystal would vote Kenny out, but she lied and said she would. Kenny lies to anyone to get him further in the game which is a good strategy but not so "good". He may get far in the game but by no means is he planning on getting there by being honest and upfront. He works people and he is good at it and by no means does he feel sorry about it. I can see why people do not like Corrine but I was cheering her on b/c she was allianed with the people I like. All I can say is that she was extremly loyal to the people she was allianced with and the is more than I can say about some of the people left. Good: Marcus, Charlie, Bob, SugarEvil: Kenny, Crystal, Suzie, RandyIn the middle: Corrine, Matty

mbev1994 wrote: the good people are crystal she is extremely loyal if people are evil just for having a tmeper then allmost everywon in the world is evil ken cause he is also loyal bob cause he hasnt relaly backstabbed anywon suzie isnt evil she is just trying to survive same as sugar randy and corrine are the most evil for example did anywon here what she said bout crystal she dosent care shes just being nice for her vote there jerks and should be the next to go

DragonflyPHX wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with principles of honesty and truth... in real life. They're playing a game where lying is a tool to win employed by EVERY PLAYER.

jenny3g wrote: KENNY CRYSTAL SUZIE = PURE EVILGOOD = MATTY SUGAR BOB CORRINE

couchtuber wrote:

DragonflyPHX wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with principles of honesty and truth... in real life. They're playing a game where lying is a tool to win employed by EVERY PLAYER.

So if someone like Jonny Fairplay tells you he is really an honest guy and he applies for a job at a bank where you work, would you hire him?I would think that he was showing us his real self on Survivor.

maroons1p wrote: I just hope that Randy makes life at camp a living hell for Crystal. I hope he gets into a shouting match with her every hour. I hope he gets her so angry that she'll hit him and then disqualified for physical violence. Finally, I hope that he yells at her some more during then end of season reunion show. Let's face it folks...she's a bitch!

mizzymm wrote: I just think it's funny , we are behind computers , well fed , well rested from sleeping in a comfortable bed, probably after taking a nice shower, and we still come in here and say we want to stab the evil person, or I hate him/her . The people in Survivor are'nt evil, it's just a game, a brutal game ,that test all your reserves and your miserable,hungry, dirty and constanly thinking about the game.I think I would probably be the most evil person under those conditions.

alkikodibear wrote: I have not played dungeons and dragons for years but below is my D&D assessmentsusie & crystal chaotic evil. matty and bob are lawful goodsugar, ken & charlie chaotic goodcorriene & randy - evil (and proud of it)

denisukun wrote: In the context of the game, Charlie needed to keep Randy. As they say, it's a numbers game. Many players have found themselves having to side with less agreeable ones out of necessity. To vote with Sugar might have saved him that round, but down the line it would have been suicide and he knew it. Good peolpe in this game don't need to sacrifice themselves for "the greater good".Was Sugars alliance with Ace an evil one? Had Sugar been one of the bad guys had she not wisened up and voted him out?

ravencaww wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I think Kenny is too funny. Everything that happens concerning him and his enemies make me laugh. Since funny = good, he is on my good list .

Locotje wrote: GOOD:Sugar,Matty,Cha - lie,Bob and yes Corrine(i don't realy get why people think she is such a witch)EVIL:Kenny,Crystal,R andy, - usie(she acts innocent but she will stab you in the back first change she gets)

ShyanneGal wrote: For all those who think Ken is on the good list, You seem to forget he is a liar, and did you see how fast this good guy jumped ship to join Corrine of all ppl? Yes playing the game is about being devious but he bragged about being a rat.. hmmm if if walks and talks like a rat good chance that is exactly what it is a RAT. There are only three ppl on this show that I consider good. #1 being BOB. #2 Matty or #3 Sugar. Although laughing so much at Randy's situation at tribal not only upset Bob but the most of my friends that thought Sugar was this innocent poor misguided girl lied to by Ken to trash Ace. So Truely the only ones that are worthy of winning this Survivor is BOB or MATTY. Matty is loyal to his word, good quality, I think this would help him go far in life if he won. Even with his use of his fake idol..."idols" That I saw not one person Randy or Corrine ask him if it was a fake. Therefore he didnt lie. The story about the new fake idol was pure genius. I have watched ever episode of Survivor from first show to now this is by far the best season I have seen. Grats to CBS.. Instead of growing weaker like most shows do you topped all so far with this season.ShyanneGal

cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

local344 wrote: Ding dong the troll is gone....man I am glad that loud mouth is gone.....one more to go.

lecordonbleu wrote: everyone has done some wrong in this game, you guys make it sound like kenny, crystal, and susie are the only ones(of the remaing). but sugar played the prank on randy even though everyone hated him, bob tried a couple times to use a fake idol and matty has done nothing at all in this game but pretend to be nice and used crystal and kenny to get further in the game and turned on them like that. remember he wrote crystals name down and she forgave. is it a also coincidence that those three are minorities and looked at differenrtly? i'd like sugar or kenny to win bc they played the game the best by far. susie and matty least deserving. if bob get in the final 3 he wins.

ladytruck55 wrote: Oh mye god u guys! Its a GAME! And the people in te jury, could they be more childish!! I say it again! Its a GAME!Besides Corinne, well, all I can say is that a grown woman should know better then to say that she would like to KILL sugar. Suger lasted longer than Corinne anyway. Corinne is like 16 years old! Shes a B*tch...GO KENNY OR SUGAR!

evock1240 wrote:

ladytruck55 wrote: Oh mye god u guys! Its a GAME! And the people in te jury, could they be more childish!! I say it again! Its a GAME!Besides Corinne, well, all I can say is that a grown woman should know better then to say that she would like to KILL sugar. Suger lasted longer than Corinne anyway. Corinne is like 16 years old! Shes a B*tch...GO KENNY OR SUGAR!

Im always a little curious about people that dispense of something as being merely 'just a game'. First of all in real life whether it be in highschool or at work (and Im not talking of course of those the really risk life and limb like our soldiers) there is really no consequence to ones failed alliances or allegiances. In those arenas one may lose a friend or not get a promotion for not aligning with the correct friend, peer or boss. So boo hoo one loses a friend or a lost promotion or even a job (just get a new one). There is really nothing of consequence to ones behavior ........in so called real life (that which is supposedly 'not a game'). In this so called game of Survivor however, there is serious risk of all kinds of malady .........be it dysentery or malnutrition, infestation, injury, disease, and yes even the risk of life (I suspect). Not only that, there is real consequence to friendship.........and to just how one handles the day to day struggles, the sharing of food and supplies (where in not doing something or doing something does have serious (albeit short term) consequence) ...... could in fact lead to or affect one's outcome or even result in one of the above listed adversities. Furthermore how one is willing or not to share the bed to stay warm and stave off the cold and how one handles friendship can assist or not others in 'not falling off the deep end' mental wise as well (look what happened to guys like GC). In the end I would say that the participants share more and have more of life's intense experiences compacted in 30 days then they will have in the remainder of thier lives (in the aggregate)......(I mean experiences with respect to the areas of reliance on others for sustenance and livelihood (I mean livelihood in terms of 'life and limb' not vocation)). Just look at Crystals video and how she almost breaks down in describing her bonding with all others on the show. She goes on to explain what may seem of little consequence to people like you, about how they had to bundle up at night to share body warm and avoid (if not deadly) sub-par conditions, and how they shared in their starvation and ways of overcoming it (eating bugs), how they had to share in emotional ways of support (so much so that she realized she shared more with strangers then family !!)........(She is even describing how close she got to those that may not end up being friends or kindred spirits in her life down the road: ".... A shared experience that only we will ever understand".And even though, as mentioned this is for only 30 days or so ...........which may appear a small number it is in fact a fairly good chunk of time when you look at the lead in time and the recovery time. And like I said the intensity of the small amount of time gives it a 100 fold magnitude (intensity).I get a kick out of people who actually give more weight to periods like their college years and the relationships developed there wherein the friendship is never really tested.........(partying with friend over 2 to 4 years...........is not a good measure of how those same people would ally with you in stressful situations).Most of so called 'real life' is spent keeping up the appearances...........fake fronts........no one really knows what other people are like in general let alone behind closed doors.There are no 'closed doors' to hide behind on Survivor (figuratively and literally); and narcissism is all but absent .(think about it ......its hard to be narcissistic when you havent showered for weeks on end...............true colors baby)So which is the real life and which is the game.

Locotje wrote: GOOD:Sugar,Matty,Cha - lie,Bob and yes Corrine(i don't realy get why people think she is such a witch)EVIL:Kenny,Crystal,R andy, - usie(she acts innocent but she will stab you in the back first change she gets)

evock1240 wrote: Im always a little curious about people that dispense of something as being merely 'just a game'. First of all in real life whether it be in highschool or at work (and Im not talking of course of those the really risk life and limb like our soldiers) there is really no consequence to ones failed alliances or allegiances. In those arenas one may lose a friend or not get a promotion for not aligning with the correct friend, peer or boss...

cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

mandogpig wrote: corinne said some nasty shit but i have a friend who has that kind of humor and if you get it you get it, if you dont you dont, yea she said some nasty shit but she called it how she saw it. susie and sugar didnt deserve to be final 3 in my opinion they hadn't earned it

mandogpig wrote: corinne said some nasty shit but i have a friend who has that kind of humor and if you get it you get it, if you dont you dont, yea she said some nasty shit but she called it how she saw it. susie and sugar didnt deserve to be final 3 in my opinion they hadn't earned it

corinne said some nasty shit but i have a friend who has that kind of humor and if you get it you get it, if you dont you dont, yea she said some nasty shit but she called it how she saw it.

zvelf wrote:

corinne said some nasty shit but i have a friend who has that kind of humor and if you get it you get it, if you dont you dont, yea she said some nasty shit but she called it how she saw it.

That kind of ridiculous logic can be used to justify anything. I murdered people, but I called it how I saw it so you shouldn’t take it so badly. Being proud and resolute of your badness does not make you less bad. It makes you even worse.This season of Survivor certainly had some of the most hateful and vile contestants ever and they were proud of it. Corrine is #1 pure evil. Her citing Sugar's father’s death while insulting her is completely beyond the pale. Randy comes in at #2. He’s just as evil as Corrine, but his sense of humor takes the edge off it ever so slightly. Crystal is #3. She insulted everyone while being seemingly unaware that all her complaints could just as easily apply to herself. #4 Kenny was the self-styled evil mastermind who got cocky and blindsided by Sugar. Ridiculously, he tried to hold it against Bob for not giving him the idol when he was trying to stab Bob in the back at the very same time. Evil is most potent when it can be rationalized through self-justification of standards that you apply to everyone but yourself because you think you’re somehow better or smarter than others.During the last half of the season, Sugar didn’t even care about winning the million. At least, she prioritized keeping Randy and Crystal from winning the money over her winning the money. Heck, she prioritized Bob winning the money over her winning the money and she needs it much more than he does in real life. There are a lot of people raking her over the coals for acting this way. Has society changed so much that greed is now prized over selflessness. I’m not religious, but greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins for a reason. Sugar certainly proved more selfless than Bob or Matty. Bob could have defended Sugar against Corrine at the final TC. Matty voted for Susie over Sugar because he felt Sugar slighted him by saying that Kenny was whom she felt most sorry for voting out. Technically though, Sugar didn’t vote Matty out. She left it up to chance (or at least up to the individuals themselves) to determine whether Bob or Matty would move on to the final three. For those saying that Sugar is evil for turning on her alliances. Well, if you were allied with Hitler and you turned on him, would that make you evil? No, Sugar turned on those who personalities proved vile.

jerstepke wrote: Sugar is good and it showed the way she made a tie and let the two men decide there own fate.We should all send a buck to sugar rewarding the good.

cbs-admin2 wrote: Jeff Probst has said that the theme of the second half of the season is Good vs. Evil. Which Survivors do you think are part of the "good" and which ones constitute the "bad?"

BowieZ wrote: Some of you people seem to be just as vindictive and spiteful as the players you claim to be "evil".(PS I don't believe in "good" and "evil".)

j_jammer wrote:

BowieZ wrote: Some of you people seem to be just as vindictive and spiteful as the players you claim to be "evil".(PS I don't believe in "good" and "evil".)

You're comment contradicts that.

givcheds wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- owieZ wrote: Some of you people seem to be just as vindictive and spiteful as the players you claim to be "evil".(PS I don't believe in "good" and "evil".)

You're comment contradicts that.

How? I think that observation is pretty accurate. I don't believe any of the players were good or evil. Just played the game differently.

givcheds wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- owieZ wrote: Some of you people seem to be just as vindictive and spiteful as the players you claim to be "evil".(PS I don't believe in "good" and "evil".)

You're comment contradicts that.

How? I think that observation is pretty accurate. I don't believe any of the players were good or evil. Just played the game differently.

ladyapril777 wrote:

givcheds wrote: [qu - te=j_jammer]

- owieZ wrote: Some of you people seem to be just as vindictive and spiteful as the players you claim to be "evil".(PS I don't believe in "good" and "evil".)

You're comment contradicts that.

How? I think that observation is pretty accurate. I don't believe any of the players were good or evil. Just played the game differently.

hollypickle2 wrote: She should have just taken the damn cookie and eaten it or she should have not taken it at all. That's nasty, petty, little school girl stuff

hollypickle2 wrote: Randy would beg to differ

hollypickle2 wrote: Right back at ya

hollypickle2 wrote: Perhaps you need to explain yourself a litttle more. I seem to misunderstand your comments.People that are "good" treat others with respect. I don't see Sugar doing that.

Sethinater wrote:

hollypickle2 wrote: P - rhaps you need to explain yourself a litttle more. I seem to misunderstand your comments.People that are "good" treat others with respect. I don't see Sugar doing that.

I think J_Jammer needs to explain himself a lot more....he "tries" to argue whatever it is he's trying to argue and makes no sense. I think he is just looking for a fight with nothing to back up his claims. Honestly, his "logic" and arguments suck ass. I have read many a post by him and NONE of them make sense.

j_jammer wrote:

hollypickle2 wrote: Rig - t back at ya

that only proves my point.

karrianm wrote: hey guys the show is over n u need 2 keep it going LOL go 4 it some people just have 2 have the last say no matter what love 2 u all n MERRY XMASS

local344 wrote: [b]LOL

cat-sig wrote:

local344 wrote: [b]LOL

I faced evil once.......he's really not sooooo scarey! lolC

fornaxus wrote:

cat-sig wrote:

local344 wrote: [b]LOL

I faced evil once.......he's really not sooooo scarey! lolC

Yeah, well, that's only because you've never faced ME, Kitty Cat. Evil that cackles madly, making washing gestures with its hands, hunched over with eyebrows slanted sharply at the bridge of its nose is vanilla. The face of True Evil is kind, warmly smiling, patting you gently on the shoulder with overflowing empathy... while the dagger in its other hand is sliding between the 3rd and 4th ribs, penetrating the cardial wall, and the first true realization that you've been had is when the knight twists suddenly, violently to 90 degrees, opening the wound to allow your life to gush out onto the thirsty ground. Meanwhile, True Evil's face is still smiling benevolently into your eyes as the world fades to black..... um, allegorically speaking, of course. I don't literally kill people. That would be wrong.

cat-sig wrote: Yuck!Now thats one ugly bitch!C

fornaxus wrote:

cat-sig wrote: Yuck! - Now thats one ugly bitch!C

The best part is that it's called a Beholder. Hm. Just broke my rule about explaining my jokes. I must be tired.

cptndawg1 wrote: size=18] Dawg - nit Forge......I remember the occasion when you were applying shaving cream after your shower, and all of a sudden you had a fit of sneezing and you ingested some of the shaving cream......I think you may be confusing your depiction of 'true evil' with the appearance of the nurse.....she was truly a 'nurse crachet'..................See you in Twin Falls......................... ......... - .cd1 [/size]

cptndawg1 wrote: He will be the one to watch! lol Agreed......be especially watchful if he is carrying a 'big stick'..............but only if it is covered with 'nerf' on both ends......................cd1

Careful, Jer' ... not ALL of my sticks are brain-pan safe.

cptndawg1 wrote: [i] fornaxus wrote: "my sticks are brain-pan safe."Golly gee David.....I see that you are back in the kitchen again...baking bread sticks....but sometimes you revert back to the ol' down home way of spelling........"Ah lak p-nut 'n jelly sanwitches on whaat brain" or "Ah lak my brain toasted"...................... ..cd1 - /i]

cptndawg1 wrote: You all sure R enter resten. Golly Gee! WhizDawgonit Cloeva7......The others just don't understand how difficult it is to write something like that and still have it understood.....GOOD JOB......En sumthun els hez dun tol mi dat Ah bes knot pres mi luc..........God Bless........cd1

cptndawg1 wrote: Cloeva7 said: Dawgonit pres yr luc....Golly Gee Whiz!!!Hyar goez.........FYI........Da TOCANTINS co ntestdunts hev der picsures postad......Gitin' closur fer de 18th siezeon...................cd1 [/quoteCloeva7 said: fer sur yep sur ree your a gooden. Howz daat?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/526316.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/526316.page GMT Howz daat? Daats jez fin' 'n dandee.....But now I have to finish packing up tha car, my bags, and get to bed for I will be leaving for the casting call scenarios shortly after midnight......This trip will be for about 1640 miles and includes 2 casting calls in two different states, different from the one I live in....And in order to do this, I have to drive through 4 states, including one mountain pass that was closed a few days ago because of snow and avalanche danger........On my last leg home, I will be on an Interstate Highway that was closed due to flooding last week also...............Catch ya'all later.........cd1

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cptndawg1 wrote: Howz daat? Daats jez fin' 'n dandee.....But now I have to finish packing up tha car, my bags, and get to bed for I will be leaving for the casting call scenarios shortly after midnight......This trip will be for about 1640 miles and includes 2 casting calls in two different states, different from the one I live in....And in order to do this, I have to drive through 4 states, including one mountain pass that was closed a few days ago because of snow and avalanche danger........On my last leg home, I will be on an Interstate Highway that was closed due to flooding last week also...............Catch ya'all later.........cd1

Cloeva7 said: OMG LOL. Thoughts and Prayers your way.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/526822.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/526822.page GMT Cloeva7 said: OMG LOL. Thoughts and Prayers your way. Thank you......I slept for about an hour and a half, am now wide awake and am about ready to go back to bed for another 3 1/2 hours after I finish a cup of hot chocolate.......After leaving the house, probably about one in the morning, I will drive an hour, fill up on gas and head on into some of Oregon's desolate country.....Nothing but coyotes and mountain lions and snow (on the ground). There is a high pressure area coming off the Pacific which is removing storms for about a week and the extreme cold temperatures that parts of the country are now experiencing are not in this area due to the high pressure......Some weeks back I checked in the Farmers' Almanac.....and it predicted just what is happening......and it was printed sometime last year.....Will wonders never cease?.......Thanks again for your prayers......and God Bless........cd1

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/527259.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/527259.page GMT What kind of a brain dead imbecile would put Sandra in the "evil" group?

On her first day she gave up her personal gold chain to get food for her tribe, did almost all of the negotiating for food and shelter, and generally put her original tribe into the best possible position she could. After that, she simply went along with the group whenever it was time to vote someone off. She was one of the most deserving winners in the history of the series, and there is no freaking way that she should be in the evil group with the others.

On another note, where is Johnny Fairplay? Now there was an evil guy! Also, what about the black guy who scammed Yao out of his truck? I forget his name. Another jerk deserving of the evil tag.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/2150590.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/25099/2150590.page GMT Fairplay?????? In the words of Jeff Probst, he was a quitter.......Nary a word has been uttered about 'Dreamz"....

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But thanks for bringing this old thread back to life......I had trouble reading all the old posts between cloeva7 and myself.....and it is somewhat difficult to get into a frame of mind to write all of that misspelled nonsense....and maybe even harder to read it........cd1

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TO: captndawg1 , Someone has stolen my Avatar for the 2010 season. I did not respond to your earlier e-mail.CBS, if you read this, will you control this typestuff? It has to be someone from your side to know my sign-on and password. I haven't been participating in the dialogue this 2010 season (not once) because of theethically challenged participants.Don't know whythis person gets such a reward out of using others' Avatar. You poor thing that you life is so unfulfilled that you have touse my house!

cloeva7 wroteabove comment

cptndawg1 wrote: Howz daat? Daats jez fin' 'n dandee.....But now I have to finish packing up tha car, my bags, and get to bed for I will be leaving for the casting call scenarios shortly after midnight......This trip will be for about 1640 miles and includes 2 casting calls in two different states, different from the one I live in....And in order to do this, I have to drive through 4 states, including one mountain pass that was closed a few days ago because of snow and avalanche danger........On my

last leg home, I will be on an Interstate Highway that was closed due to flooding last week also...............Catch ya'all later.........cd1

Cloeva7 said: OMG LOL. Thoughts and Prayers your way.

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