jenni90210 wrote:

bandfour wrote: [quot - =papergirl914] That was probably the best tribal council ever! I hope Bob can convince them he didn't know the idol was fake!

He told Sugar that it was fake. Again it may be creative editing, but it seemed that at least Crystal knew that is was fake befor Jeff P said it was. *BAND*

cloverleaf71 wrote: I for one am ecstatic to see Randy go, and all the better that it happened with him being duped. I just worry for Bob now, but my guess is he is resourceful enough to convince Corrine.

I've read a lot of comments about Bob trying to convince Corinne that he didn't dupe them. And even the previews for next week support that. Corinne is only one vote at next TC so I don't know that I'd really care what she thinks. Is this simply to win Corinne's and Randy's votes if he makes it to F2? If I were on the jury I'd see it as a brilliant play to stay in the game, not a backstab that would cost him my vote. Bob could explain that it was either him or Randy going home so he had to do what he could to save himself. That's good game playing! (She says comfortably from her living room chair.)

maril26 wrote: What I don't like about this season is that the underachievers will probably go further than all the overachievers. I say this because Bob and Randy's butts are in jeopardy now. They're the only two remaining players who have shown a consistent will to perform at challenges. Right now, all the twists have favored a bunch of passive players in the challenges. People who haven't done squat to progress in the game the way you normally should. ;-D

fornaxus wrote: 1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple.

papergirl914 wrote:

mizzymm wrote: [quo - e=WellSOB] I love Crystal, she's my favorite, she really playing the game, Jeff said that she played a sophisticated game.I can't wait for what happens next.

After tonight I like her again! And like her or not, you had to love her vote at tribal. People were cracking up all over tonight, weren't they!

j_jammer wrote: This episode didn't need surprises.

It was based on laughing at Randy's inability to be as smart as he claimed to be. He got what was coming to him.

What they show on TV is the least of what snide nasty remarks he probably made.

Based on Sugar she is a great judge of character.

I don't think that basing your like or disappointment in people on dealing with Randy is at all reasonable. His rudeness is far beyond threshold level and he knew it and instead of trying to be human he decided to be vindictive for the loss of Marcus. This lie about him understanding it's a game was just that...a lie. He was voting out Suzie because she had a hand in getting rid of Marcus. Him getting mad at the cookie had more to do with him wanting to be mad because he just wanted to goad Sugar.

He has no justification for anything he has done on this show. Everything he has done and had suffered through was created by him.

Him stating he was Dan's friend was funny in that one episode and totally random to add here....but I still can't believe he dropped that lie so seriously.

desertbro wrote: I thought Crystal's rant was funnier than Randy's fake idol play. We didn't get to see Randy explode, but maybe in the Ponderosa video he will chew the ear off the SUV driver on the way there...?!?!?

desertbro wrote:

fornaxus wrote: 1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple.

[color=black]Randy was like a freakin' vampire that needed a stake in the heart, so holy water in the face and the curtains drawn back to let the sunlight turn him into ashes. Even then you can't be sure he's gone.

desertbro wrote: 1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple.

dat wuz funnieHey, DB, I was pulling for Randy cuz I had a bet on him, but he really let me down tonight...I'd like to see Ken win the mil at this point, after all the moves he's brought into line, and using his scrawny agile form and his brain to win challenges, just how...on top of it he's been, aware. Suzie I'd like to see get to the finals, but blow everyone away by grabbing some more immunity along the way. I don't think she'd get more votes than Kenny, nor would Crystal, so Kenny's choice of alllies seems good. Matty's done the best he could with what he's had, and stayed decent to everyone, and I'd say I'd like to see him in the F3, but there's still a mystery to him, I can't figure out. Sugar's shredding it to bits, but showing her fangs. Bob's got the history with her that no one else now has, the early days...and that's the ONLY thing Corinne has in her favor right now...If Bob and Corinne can get Matty and Sugar to flip--AW HECK, that WON'T happen, cuz anyone who looks at the jury right now, Marcus, Charlie, and Randy, they see three votes for Corinne, easy-schmeezy. SHE MUST GO! (Plus I want her to go, hrmph. foot stamp!)T-Dub

j_jammer wrote: No. Corin dislikes Sugar. You think Sugar doesn't know that Corin thinks she's stupid?

patdempster wrote: What a HOOT!!! Even knowing it would be Randy to go with Bob sluffing off the fake idol tonight didn't spoil seeing how it unfolded. It was cool to Sugar mastermind that idea and Corrine make it easy to implement. I give Sugar extra credit too because it looks like Bob doesn't realize Sugar has the idol. Seems he might not think she was bright enough to have found it. You go girl!! If he knew she had the idol he wouldn't have told her that he didn't. She was so cool in her reaction. She's got game.

patdempster wrote: I think insult will be added to injury when Randy sees the tape. When he sees how Matty was saving him up uniit Randy turned on him too he'll fall over in his chair. I was a little nervous for Bob at tribal. Wasn't sure how many knew about the set up and if some might be still working Matty's plan to vote off Bob first. In the end Randy did it to himself. If he'd shut up he may not have needed the idol.

patdempster wrote: I think Sugar is going to secure Matty and Bob and then add Corrine to her alliance to vote off Kenny, Crystal and whatshername... in that order depending on II wins. Bob will secure Corrine for Sugar with his coverup story. And so long as Matty doesn't try to work a different plan he'll be safe. She'll probably make it so Matty thinks he is in control of the plan she wants. That's the strategy that's kept her safe through the game so far. All these guys who think they control Sugar are actually controlled by her or chopped. She's either very luck or very clever. The next couple of weeks will tell us which it is for sure. II will be critcal.

ladybhawke wrote:

jenni90210 wrote: [qu - te=bandfour][quot - =papergirl914] [color=darkblue] That was probably the best

I do think they edited out some of Sugar talking and planning with Bob. The preview for next week showed them talking again and Bob showing Sugar the idol that Marcus gave him. Did anyone see that?

wyoseeker said.... Hi, Pat, and welcome to the board!

I agree with you on many points, but have to voice my disagreement with the notion that you (and some others) have written that Bob doesn't think Sugar has the HII. When he followed the clues only to find the HII missing, he clearly surmised that it had already been found.

And I don't think that Sugar was the one to "mastermind" the idea to play it. Bob already knew the ways his fake idol could be "played", and just needed some support with how it would play out. And who better than Sugar, one of his original tribemates, someone who could perhaps be swayed to work with him both with the idols and in a potential alliance?

patdempst - r wrote: I think Sugar is going to secure Matty and Bob and then add Corrine to her alliance to vote off Kenny, Crystal and whatshername... in that order depending on II wins. Bob will secure Corrine for Sugar with his coverup story. And so long as Matty doesn't try to work a different plan he'll be safe. She'll probably make it so Matty thinks he is in control of the plan she wants. That's the strategy that's kept her safe through the game so far. All these guys who think they control Sugar are actually controlled by her or chopped. She's either very luck or very clever. The next couple of weeks will tell us which it is for sure. II will be critcal.

fornaxus wrote: I agree that it didn't need surprises, but I was a little disappointed that there weren't any. I've gotten used to having to guess what the outcome was going to be, and there just wasn't any guessing involved. ::shrug:: It's a very minor concern.

fornaxus wrote: Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that he brought it on himself. I even said so. But, as an empathetic human being, I wasn't inclined to "laugh at Randy". I *did* find the setup funny, and felt a little bad for feeling that way, because the humiliation plan was absolutely unnecessary to winning the game.

j_jammer wrote: What they show on TV is the least of what snide nasty remarks he probably made.

fornaxus wrote: C'mon, now, that's just a guess. More likely, the bits we saw were the WORST of them, because the producers want us to have a positive reaction to his leaving. They wanted us entertained, not furiously angry. If they had more snide in the can, I believe they'd have used it.

j_jammer wrote: Based on Sugar she is a great judge of character.

fornaxus wrote: Well, yes, absolutely. She trusted Ace. She believed Kenny's lie. She believed Matty's lie. She's a fantastic judge of character.

patdempster wrote: On the question of dishonourable conduct and the humiliating of Randy.... 2 things...1) Sugar is a kid and above all else she likes to have fun. That was just plan good comic relief for her while getting back at a bully. Whatever redeeming qualities Randy may or may not have he is a bully. Editing my have highlighted his bullying but they didn't created it. And I for one don't mind seeing a bully taken down. Especially by a women and especially without resorting to his brand of lateral-violence. Humiliated... perhaps but he earned it.

2) Since the first time someone snuck into someone's personal belonging to search for an idol I've determined there is no honour in survivor. I remember my jaw dropping and getting all indignant about how 'unfair' that was. I learned from then that there are no boundaries in Survivor so long as you can find a way to justify your actions at the final tribal council. If Sugar makes it to the final 2 she will gain votes for the work she did last night to bring Randy down a few notches. In my opinion....

toowimpy wrote: Pat and wyo, You can bet Kenny's considered what you've been talking about! And Crystal, she listens to Kenny, she helps him solidify his ideas by voicing her worries...they've been an effective team, like when they convinced Matty to vote for Jacquie after the first mix-up. Susie's liking the way it's going now, I bet!They've got to be talking "now" about blindsiding Sugar. The best op for that may have just passed. It's doable now, but would be bloodier. Here's a fun prediction:Corinne's desperate for an ally, now!She'll be easy to enlist in a get-Sugar plan...and Matty and Bob won't have to know...then she'll try to get fancy, warn Sugar, talk to Bob, blah, blah, and get voted out herself!(Each person, independenty, will realize that the spite in this one is so strong, that it's best to make it a group effortif the alternative is you taking the credit...)TW

patdempster wrote:

wyoseeker wrote:

I agree with you on many points, but have to voice my disagreement with the notion that you (and some others) have written that Bob doesn't think Sugar has the HII. When he followed the clues only to find the HII missing, he clearly surmised that it had already been found.

So why did Bob take another clue? ...

Exactly. Remember, what we saw of his first foray included a camera shot of the empty nail... but nothing that suggests Bob had seen it. He seems to believe that either: a) the idol is too well-hidden, and he was just looking in the wrong spot, or b) the idol was found, used, and never replaced. A) seems more likely.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395019.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395019.page GMT I guess I'll squeeze in one more ramble since you replyed to my comment...

fornaxus wrote:

patdempster wrote: On the question of dishonourable conduct and the humiliating of Randy.... 2 things...1) Sugar is a kid and above all else she likes to have fun. That was just plan good comic relief for her while getting back at a bully. Whatever redeeming qualities Randy may or may not have he is a bully. Editing my have highlighted his bullying but they didn't created it. And I for one don't mind seeing a bully taken down. Especially by a women and especially without resorting to his brand of lateral-violence. Humiliated... perhaps but he earned it.

Even with no redeeming qualities, he's still a person. Humiliation is not only stupid (it guarantees she's not getting his vote), it's also cruel. What kind of person finds "fun" in the humiliation of another human being?But the fact of the matter is that the kind of person who does so is the type that has spent 30 days in difficult conditions, and has specifically been harassed by the target of that humiliation. It's cruel, spiteful and mean-spirited, but it's also understandable. I'm just sayin', call it what it is. Don't sugar-coat it (excuse the pun).Oh, and calling Sugar a "kid" isn't exactly accurate. She's nearly 30 years old.

I think you are right. There really is no justification in real life to humiliate another person. It's not very constructive in changed negative behaviours. So in real life I'm with you humiliation tactics are stupid and immature. As for calling Sugar a kid... regardless of her age she does act very childlike in a lot of endearing ways... to me at least. Guess my own age is showing.... lol. And the little pigtails don't hurt in the portrayal either.

2) Since the first time someone snuck into someone's personal belonging to search for an idol I've determined there is no honour in survivor. I remember my jaw dropping and getting all indignant about how 'unfair' that was. I learned from then that there are no boundaries in Survivor so long as you can find a way to justify your actions at the final tribal council. If Sugar makes it to the final 2 she will gain votes for the work she did last night to bring Randy down a few notches. In my opinion....In the context of the game, I agree with you 100%. If it's not against the rules, it's categorically allowed. And you may be right about her getting votes... assuming they don't happen prior to FTC. She's starting to look like a real player of the game, which is good, but also dangerous. Things are going to shake up pretty seriously over the next two episodes.Oh, and for the record, I'm still rooting for her.

wyoseeker wrote:

fornaxus wrote: C'mon, now, that's just a guess. More likely, the bits we saw were the WORST of them, because the producers want us to have a positive reaction to his leaving. They wanted us entertained, not furiously angry. If they had more snide in the can, I believe they'd have used it.

Here, I have to agree with j_jammer. In Sugar's whispered remarks during her vote she included "bigot"....

j_jammer wrote: Based on Sugar she is a great judge of character.

fornaxus wrote: Well, yes, absolutely. She trusted Ace. She believed Kenny's lie. She believed Matty's lie. She's a fantastic judge of character.

Very funny. But... Ace really did have her back. Kenny's "lie" did have some truth to it, as eventually, Ace would probably have turned on her, and he DID ask her for the idol as Ken told her he would. What lie of Matty's are you thinking of? I must have missed that one.

fornaxus wrote:

patdempster wrote:

wyoseeker wrote:

I agree with you on many points, but have to voice my disagreement with the notion that you (and some others) have written that Bob doesn't think Sugar has the HII. When he followed the clues only to find the HII missing, he clearly surmised that it had already been found.

So why did Bob take another clue? ...

Exactly. Remember, what we saw of his first foray included a camera shot of the empty nail... but nothing that suggests Bob had seen it. He seems to believe that either: a) the idol is too well-hidden, and he was just looking in the wrong spot, or b) the idol was found, used, and never replaced. A) seems more likely.

Anonymous wrote: Ok, this is for those who say suger didn't have a stradage for using the fake immunity idol and she was just being mean spirited...

fornaxus wrote:

patdempster wrote:

wyoseeker wrote: I agree with you on many points, but have to voice my disagreement with the notion that you (and some others) have written that Bob doesn't think Sugar has the HII. When he followed the clues only to find the HII missing, he clearly surmised that it had already been found.

patdempster wrote: So why did Bob take another clue? ...

fornaxus wrote: Exactly. Remember, what we saw of his first foray included a camera shot of the empty nail... but nothing that suggests Bob had seen it. He seems to believe that either: a) the idol is too well-hidden, and he was just looking in the wrong spot, or b) the idol was found, used, and never replaced. A) seems more likely.

patdempster wrote:

fornaxus wrote: Exactly. Remember, what we saw of his first foray included a camera shot of the empty nail... but nothing that suggests Bob had seen it. He seems to believe that either: a) the idol is too well-hidden, and he was just looking in the wrong spot, or b) the idol was found, used, and never replaced. A) seems more likely.

fornaxus wrote: [.... Please don't put words in my mouth - there's barely room for the ones crowding to get out, as it is.

fornaxus wrote:

patdempst - r wrote:

fornaxus wrote: Exactly. Remember, what we saw of his first foray included a camera shot of the empty nail... but nothing that suggests Bob had seen it. He seems to believe that either: a) the idol is too well-hidden, and he was just looking in the wrong spot, or b) the idol was found, used, and never replaced. A) seems more likely.

Still doesn't mean he knows Sugar has the idol does it? Or is it that he thinks its been played and its a second idol he's not able to find? Either way he doesn't know Sugar has it..... lol....

Sorry, I wasn't clear - I was agreeing with you, pat. I don't think he's realized that the idol is still in play, and in Sugar's hands.

Okay... now I know for sure its time to call it a night.... enjoyed chatting with you. Hope to catch you again next week. Good night

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395067.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395067.page GMT Forn and wyo.... was mixing up who was saying what trying to read between the quotes... lol. Just trying to explain my 'brain dead moments' lol. That's why I tape the episodes wyo... my son always talks over the show and I miss stuff but I went back to play it again just to check whether she'd mentioned having the idol herself and she was pretty clever. I'm with you. I think I give Bob too much credit sometimes. I like him but he's a bit 'clueless' sometimes.

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395081.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395081.page GMT Re-watched the episode and noticed that at the beginning of the episode, there was some editing done to Corinne's confessional. I noticed it sounded different when she said "Kenny and Crystal" and then continued on to "are taking out my entire alliance".i wonder if she really thought kenny and crystal were the masterminds? Or could it be editing by the producers?

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395092.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395092.page GMT Hello ALL,This is has to be one of the best shows on Survivor. I like Randy saying "I'm 75% going home tonight" add a 1000% to that lol.Randy is a terrible person how he talks to people. I guess he is like that in REAL life. BUT I thought he was a smart person. He should talked to BOB before he did this plan. In this case I dont think he would had changed anything, BOB would said he has the "IDOL". What if BOB don't have it? Then this is not a great plan. ALSO if Randy's plans did work, He would be saved for only one TC. They would get rid of him the NEXT TC.Sugar is getting to be the MASTERMIND she is liked by everyone and She had the IDOL. NOW she is in a good place. We see that the NEXT show there is a ANOTHER IDOL OUT. BOB made some point by going with Sugar so he should be there little longer. Corinne should be gone next show if she don't win challenge.-Steve

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fornaxus wrote: ...you did just there. You're allowing your dislike for this character that was presented to us courtesy of dozens of hours of editing and production choices dictate your opinion of a human being, and allowing it to paint him as a larger than life villain, subsumed in a festering swamp of hatred for all mankind. Or, so I surmise from your words.

Same with Jeri in Australia? That was her line. But even during interviews and the reunion she was the same as was filmed. She's not nice. You play the game how you really are. It's not a character. Please.Sugar knows people. She knows what Corin thinks of her. Judging character isn't the same was telling if someone is lying. Lying is not an easy thing to notice unless you know the person well enough. Judging character is a different thing all together. You can tell if someone is a good or bad person. Randy doesn't leave much room for him to be a good person no matter how he was edited. He did that on purpose, you might say, but doing it on purpose means he chooses to be mean instead of nice meaning he would rather hate on people than try to like them.He was not friends with Dan. If he was he would have found a way to keep him and he did have a way...get rid of Suzie. He screwed that up and look what it's done to him.Their downfall has been solely because they (stupidly) decided to vote out Dan instead of Suzie and now they are ALL paying for it. They chose to vote out the WRONG person.Sugar was tricked but at the same time she was tricked into thinking what Ace was truly trying to do. Even though Ace had not said what Ken said he was thinking it and had already hinted at it to the cameras. She voted out the right person. With Charlie...again I like him...he was right as well. Charlie was not playing the game. The moment Marcus was on his team was the last moment he had a single thought that was his own and not one that dripped out of Marcus's mouth. If he was smart in the game he would have sided with Sugar to get rid of Randy when she said it. Why? Because that would have saved HIM from going and anyone else. And because Corin and Charlie couldn't see past what they WANTED...they are paying for it. You do not play this game with the idea that who you are aligned with keep making it. You play this game from tribal to tribal and if it means you have to vote someone off you were aligned with to get further than you are at that moment, then by all means you better do it. This has been Marcus, Charlie and now Randy's failure. They couldn't see past their alliance and they got booted. Marcus had TWO chances to get ride of Suzie and instead decided to try and dupe Chrystal into playing with him via their connection. Didn't work. You cant, also, think you are smarter than everyone else and then continue to come off that way. it doesn't work. Which is why Randy is gone.....Sugar's humiliation of Randy was the one mean thing she did to him and he deserved it. He did many mean and rude things to lots of people and they did not get him back until that moment and that would include Matty, Ken, Bob and Suzie. Did you see how Randy talked to Suzie? Did she return the same venom comments? Nope. Not even during tribal council. I don't take anything personal with Survivor because I love it. I love it because it's the best Reality show and I love it when people state it's just a game and then get upset that their aligned person is gone (Corin, Randy and Charlie) and I love it that people think the show shows characters instead of the true people. I don't see characters....I see how they truly are. That is the person they hide in the real world.....if you can't get along with them in the game of Survivor you most likely will not get along with them off the game.

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samuelkc wrote: Based on the preview.. the next episode will be crazy.... go Bob!..

Hi & Welcome Sam!I would love to see a F2 with the two "Brains" of Bob and Ken. I don't think that will happen but it would be interesting! I believe that Bob is smart enough to keep Sugar on his side and she can help lure in Matty to have the next vote be 4 to 3. All he has to do is tell her he would give her Corinne next! He knows that the Onions always considered him to be the 5th wheel.So I add my voice to yours ! GO BOB!!!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395139.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395139.page GMT I think what sugar did to randy was awesome, he deserved everything he got. Revenge can be SWEET.

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Mrs_JR47 wrote:

papergirl914 wrote: [co - or=darkblue]That was probably the best tribal council ever! I hope Bob can convince them he didn't know the idol was fake![/color]

the maker needs to show his true color

So far Mrs. only Bob & Sugar know the "Truth" behind the fake idol. Why would Bob tell anyone else? And Sugar (I believe) learned her lesson about telling anything when she told Ace about her HII. Crystal, Ken, Susie & Matty might just be scratching their heads thinking that was "Sugars" HII! They peeked but that was a long time ago and only Crystal had a good look at it. And she was so busy telling Kelly to keep a look out it was only out for a few seconds. And it was a good job so who has had the most EI time? Who had the leisure to fashion a fake neckless? Nobody believes that Sugar is smart but making an adornment would be right up her alley! Right? Oh to be a fly on that wall! On the other hand the walls at Ponderosa will be filled with venom. Marcus & Charlie the honeymoon is over! Randy is going to bring all of his pent up anger to you!

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Mrs_JR47 wrote:

hgheith wrote: I didnt like randy but that was just mean! didn't think sugar had it in her, she earned some bad points tonight!I don't think bob is mean but he had to do what he could to stay in the game, and it worked. but that was just mean!

so true so true

So true??? How can either of you think Sugar was mean? She is playing the game! Bob was playing the game! Randy was off in the twilight zone somewhere with his off the wall plan! Who was the KING of MEAN this Eppy? R - A-N-D-Y!

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LOL - Going to be funny! : -)C'kins

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jenni90210 wrote: Off subject but my husband thinks people from texas talk with a different language than those in Louisianna and even different in Tennessee. ???? Funny.

Dear jenni, Don't be too hard on DH he is partially right! Certain areas of most state (the larger ones) do have their own dialect. It also depends on the age of the person and where they might have lived before! To alot of people here I still speak to fast. But when I'm on the phone with my cousin in MI she thinks I talk to slow. So i tell everyone I have a Yankee, Midwestern, Southern Drawl!

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395175.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395175.page GMT ROFL I think this eppy was so funny. I am glad that Randy got what he had coming to him. I agree with whoever said that the meanest player this season was RANDY. Surgar wasnt being mean. She is playing the game..hopefully she wins the game.. i hope everyone has a good day. Tc Melissa

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netakaye wrote: OMG!!! Tonight's episode was the best one I've ever seen!! Sorry Randy but you had it coming!!! The look on his face was priceless!! And poor Bob.. cought in the middle.. he's a real sweety!! I just can't stop laughing!!!

Hi & Welcome Neta! Someone forgot to tell Randy that what you give out comes back to you three fold! And he got a double dose of his tonight!

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jenni90210 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: I'd rate the two "all-star" seasons as the two worst, followed by the first Africa one, where the survivors couldn't do anything but sit around in their protective rings all day long and fetch water from a stream with a big pile of elephant dung right near the source.

I loved both the "all Star" ones. Actually there was only one and then the fans vs favorites. I thought the first one with Johnny Fairplay and Rupert was great. Then you also had Sue and Rich Hatch and Don't forget Amber and Rob. Then last season on Fans vs Favs.... we had the girls and all the immunity idols that were a curse. The dumb boy who gave his away. That was a classic. I loved them. Africa was the only one where someone nice who never lied or backstabbed ANYONE won. Ethan.

I didn't like the All-Star one, and I REALLY didn't like the fans vs. favorites one.Amber and Rob did nothing for me. Susan and Richard in the first season was great, but on the All-Star season, they were horrible.And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395452.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395452.page GMT Lost a lot of respect for Bob tonight and any little shred for Sugar is gone. The cookie stunt that Sugar pulled, just mean and hateful. Did she think they were in grade school or something?And then what the two of them pulled with Randy and the fake idol... that's high school crap. The guy's already getting the boot, why rub it in? Look at the "cool" kids picking on the outsider! Not only mean, but STUPID. They do realize that he's on the jury... and that there's two more jury members sitting there watching?Of course none of this should be too surprising from one of the dumbest casts yet. Kenny is the only one playing the game. Everyone else is just playing games with each other to see who's the coolest kid in school.

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mizzymm wrote:

JackieTN wrote:

m - zzymm wrote: Randy hates Susie more then he hates Crystal.Hmmmm.

He hated her because she flipped over to Ken & Crystals side & voted off marcus & charlie. Crystal goes way back to the beginning. Funny he didn't have a bad word for Ken or Matty???

l That's right ,he did'nt say anything about Ken, I can't wait to read all his interviews tommorrow!

I think this is also affirmation of what I said before Randy is a woman hater! He is not a very social creature and even his male "friendships" are superficial.

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madbird11 wrote: HOLY HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! I liked Bob. I liked him until he began following Marcus around like a blind man. I was actually hoping that Bob would go home as soon as possible so I could get over the Survivor that I wanted to win. TONIGHT CHANGED ALL THAT. The man is a real dude. He took the clue at exile, relizied that he wasn't gonna get anywhere, and probably saw things that most people on this green earth will never get to see. The the idol... Making it was genius... But actually getting it into the game? Damn near genius. I don't care if it was Sugar's plan, he was the one that had to play it off. Randy bit the hook of desperation, and probably will be sulking about it for a long, long time... Or at least until the reunion goes off the air. And now next week... Next week... TEll everyone you know that has ever attempted to follow Survivor. Tell them to watch that episode. This will top the dead grandmother lie... This will top Rob and Amber at the reunion... This will top James walking off with two hidden immunity idols, will top Ozzy's blindside, will top Erik giving immunity away to the demon women, THANKSGIVING DAY 08'S EPISODE OF SURVIVOR WILL BE THE BEST DAMN THING TO HAPPEN TO THE SHOW SINCE THE SHOW ITSELF!!!!!! None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Hey MadBird!I've missed your posts! Wish I could find something to disagree with you about but I can't Welcome back to the Eppy's! Even tho I might not post to you very much I do love your posts!Jackie

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Anonymous wrote: This season's cast is nowhere as dumb as Jason and Eric in Micronesia. They may all look dumb and seem to act dumb and crazy, but they go about things in their own intelligent ways. I absolutely don't like Corinne's opinions about the people outside her alliance. She might think her alliance is smart and more deserving because they seem more educated and all. No, they absolutely are not; she just fails to see intelligence in other ways. I actually also started to like Suzie because she has not been mean to the people she voted out when she was at the booth. Since I get the impression that the ones voted out to join the jury don't get to hear these "confessionals," it just shows to me that Suzie has compassion and knows that at the end of the day, this is just a game, nothing to get all personal about. Her calm reaction and even demeanor in her clip about what she thought of Corinne showed that, too. To me, she and Bob are more of the real adults in this game; something to say about age and life experience. Randy's pushing 50 and still acts like a kid, although you gotta sympathize with his own tragic life experience and how that had fucked him up (saw the clip about him talking about his dog and all? sounded like he lost all his family or something when he was only in his 20s).

very very well said. totally agreed with you.Susie was considerably very calm about it all. I applaud her the very matured way she handled the situation.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395806.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395806.page GMT I didn't have a chance to watch the show until after it aired. I figured I'd post before I read through everyone else's posts. As much as I wanted Randy to stay in, there was no surprise there. Half way through the show, I was thinking about fast forwarding to the end. I was hoping to have been surprised to see that Bob found another real HI and gave it to Randy in addition to the fake one. What's with Bob telling Sugar about the fake idol? Everyone is so underestimating her in the game. She takes all the bits of information given to her and uses it to her advantage. I think she is really using her skills as an actress to play the dumb blonde. I think every time she cries, she does it for strategy and it is working.

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bandfour wrote:

philsfan425 wrote:

papergirl914 wrote: That was probably the best tribal council ever! I hope Bob can convince them he didn't know the idol was fake!

I agree it was a great TC !!! I think Bob has a good chance, he did keep quite the straight face the whole time and he wrote Susie's name (who else would have) So I think he did as good a job covering himself as he could.

This keeps Bob around until next TC. Does this get him into the alliance? What as #6? Someone is going to convince people that Kenny or Crystal be voted out before they become unstoppable. Crystal really did well at the IC tonight, didn't she? LOL *BAND*

NO way do I see Bob getting into an alliance with Kenny and his Krew, but he could be in the makings of a secret alliance with Sugar. On never knows........expecially with the expert editing that's done for us! lol Yes Crystal did very well at keeping her mouth shut at TC except while voting!!! Ah,hahahaha!!! I thought it was too funny!!!So Band , what do you think? Could I possibly have been correct about a bottle switch in the water??????? I know you, the consumate optimist, you will say no way,right? teehee........................ ..Phils

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justprincess wrote: This was by far the best episode ever!!!!Bob secured his place in top 3 for sure.

Hi and Welcome JP!Not quite yet! He has to get one more vote out of the 7 left! To make it a 4/3 vote next time. That's why he needs to convince Corinne, Sugar and Matty to vote with him. IMO Susie will stay with Crystal and Ken. If he can convince Matty that he would like to be in the F3 with him and Sugar I think Matty will go for it. Ken and Crystal can not promise F3 to Matty as Susie stands in the way. Corinne can be voted off the next time! I'm sure which ever of the Fang 3 is left will want to get rid of her. That would leave Bob, Sugar and Matty vs the now Fang 2. Matty & Sugar should both see that to make F3 they have to break up the Fang 3.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395825.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395825.page GMT Hi All! Sugar is now playing the game! Suggesting to Bob to give Randy the FHII,and then after Bob did, she tells him that he's a genius for doing so and she'll makeit worth his while. I hope she can. I was lol when Crystal used her stage voice during her voting! I haven't laughed that hard in a long while - It's good for the soul. Just MHO on the people left:Crystal-I like her and think she is a good person. I think there are a lot of things going onwith her that we have not seen yet. Ken-I'm worried about him being so cocky, but he is veryclever. Susy-is trying to play the game, but is too trusting of Crystal & Ken. Matty-will try to alignwith Bob, Corinne and Sugar to take- Crystal, Ken & Susie out and take Corinne to the end.Sugar-will go along with Matty and stay alert. Bob-is working hard to stay in the game perpreview for next week - Corinne will try all and everything possible to stay in the game.Have a Happy Day! JoAnn

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fornaxus wrote: Sugar humiliated someone who will now have to vote for someone to win $1,000,000. And that vote COULD have been hers if, say, Crystal or Suzie were the rest of her F2. Not anymore.

Ah, but you presume that Randy will know that Sugar had ANYTHING to do with Bob giving him the fake idol. Depends on who asks what questions at the final TC. Heck, Randy and Corinne cooked up the 'Bob will give Randy the idol' plan when Bob was still at Exile. They apparently thought Sugar wouldn't be able to find it even with the huge amount of time she had to search and that Bob surely would find it because he is smart. Corinne went to Bob to put the plan into action. In effect, Randy ASKED Bob for the idol. It isn't like Bob went to him and had to work to get him to take the fake idol. Randy was drooling. Randy and Corinne never managed to think that 1) Sugar spent half the show at exile and probably found the idol. 2) Bob would just hand the thing over because he is a nice guy. Sorry, but if I were in Bob's shoes and actually HAD found the idol, I'm not so sure I would give it to Randy to save my weak alliance of 3 against 5. He isn't exactly on their BFF list. Even if the plan down as expected, the following TC would STILL be 4 against 3 and Bob would potentially be on the block. Anyone else notice that in all the Randy and Corinne talks, Bob's name didn't even come up in the 'final 3 discussion'? What WOULD be fun: IF there were 2 HIIs, one in each alliance and BOTH were pulled by the other alliance at the same TC.To the best of my knowledge, the contestants know that there is only one HII in play at a time as part of the 'rules of the game'. So even though Bob told Sugar he went around the pond twice and couldn't find it (as if he just COULDN'T find it), I have to think that in the back of his mind, he has suspicions that Sugar has it. She certainly had plenty of time to look.

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jenni90210 wrote: Remember , everyone who was with Sugar before the merge knew she had and still has the idol. They do seem to never bring it up or mention it and it does feel like they all forgot. I guess they are just taking care of everyone else first. They could have tried to flush it out though because they have gotten enough of the other tribe out.

Hi Jenni - Your post just put a CRAZY idea into my head. WHAT IF we see yet another "Survivor First" in that they decide NOT to go after the person with the HII at all ? I know that sounds totally far fetched, but we've seen some pretty crazy stuff already.:0)

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bandfour wrote:

JackieTN wrote: No fried bats this time??? Wonder whats in the bottle could that be the boobie prize???

I was disappointed that they did not show any gross foods being "purchased". *BAND*

It would have been Great if that last tray of cookies - Jeff saying $20 for a tray that must be shared with the whole Tribe anything left must be eaten by the purchaser! Then Bam! Randy left standing with a tray of something Gross

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kittylode wrote: I loved this episode-- wished I had taped it!!!!Best moments:1. the Pwned look on Randy's face2. Crystal loudly voting for Randy 3. Everyone cracking up at tribal council knowing that Randy was about to get owned!!!!4. Sugar messing with Randy's mind5. Sugar's litany of insults as she cast her vote for Randy...6. Randy swaggering round like an idiot, little suspecting that he was dead meat

Hi & Welcome kitty!Always Record! You never know which Eppy is going to be the "BEST"

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fornaxus wrote: OK, so, here's where I make myself slightly unpopular...1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple. It's one thing to vote off someone who's on the Other Side - that's just the game. It's even understandable picking the person on the Other Side who you don't like - and let's face it, Randy's a bit of a physical threat. Randy will be angry over being voted out, regardless. It's just the way he's wired. But to HUMILIATE the man, for no better reason than that you dislike him, is just plain nasty.2) I like Bob. I really do. But I'm disappointed in him. Now, I'm all about playing the game to win, and I'm pretty sure that this tactic gets him a LOT further than not doing so. But I've gotten used to the guy as a solid, loyal, reliable man. His willingness to participate in this humiliating display drops him a couple of notches in my Big Book of Integrity (even while, simultaneously, putting him up more than a few notches in my Tome of Playing the Game to Win).3) I don't like Crystal. Not one bit. But her loudly proclaiming her vote for Randy and her reasons was actually really funny. Not because it was her usual loud-mouthed attitude. That's usually pretty annoying to me. But because it blatantly, unapologetically shattered the orthodoxy of the confessional. I laughed out loud, which was probably heard half-way down the block.

Nax - I'll agree with you in that what Sugar did wasn't exactly nice, but it WAS fun to watch (for me anyway).I respectfully disagree with your view about Bob and this is why.Didn't Randy overhear them talking about how they were going to vote Bob off? Wasn't it Randy's decision to go off the deep end and pizz everyone off so they would write HIS name down and NOT Bob's? Why wouldn't Randy just wait and let Bob know what they were planning to do and tell Bob to use the idol for himself? What was Bob supposed to do? Randy dug his own grave while Bob was gone. Yes, I will go back and watch the eppy again at some point and IF I see something different, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. Can I still like Bob either way???I'm not a Crystal fan either and don't care for her attitude and how she speaks when placing her vote, but last night was hilarious.T-Bird :0)

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395962.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/395962.page GMT My recap of last night's episode -- Nothing Tastes Better Than Five Hundred Dollars -- is now up at Recapist.com.Here's the teaser:Holy moly. We'll get to the hows and whyfors later, but for now… just how badly do you have to treat people in order to get a guy like Bob, who makes his buffs into bowties and uses his time on Exile Island to go on his own little safari, and a girl like Sugar, who's such a softie she cries into her pineapple because she wishes she could share it with her hungry tribemates back at camp, to team up to not just get you voted out, but to humiliate you in the process, and then laugh about it? Pretty badly, it turns out.Read the full recap at www.recapist.com/tv-shows/surv ivorAs a reminder: We don't rate our recaps at Recapist.com, but be aware that all my recaps contain strong language and sexual innuendo.

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cptndawg1 wrote: LET'S GET ON TO THE NEXT EPISODE......THERE ARE NOW 4 LADIES AND ONLY 3 GUYS.....HOW STRONG ARE THE CURRENT ALLIANCES AND HOW MUCH DOES A BATTLE OF THE SEXES NOW LOOM?......JUST WONDERING..........cd1

Hi Cptn!I don't see much cohesion with the Ladies this time! Corinne wants to be a cat but fails miserably! Crystal thinks she's a Tiger Lady but again without Ken she would have been gone a long time ago! Susie strikes me as more of a pampered house cat if that! Sugar, IMO is the only "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" if you know what I mean She is sly,and will wrap around the legs of anyone who will pet her, but is not afraid of using her claws where need be!Jackie

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jenni90210 wrote: So Carriekins and Jackie, Where were you tonight?? What are you testing for?? I missed you. Goodnight all.

Sorry I missed you, Jenni! I've had this blasted cold & the medicine makes me "Woozy"! I know when am I not Woozy! But when the monitor starts to blur I know it's time to take a nap!jackie

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JackieTN wrote:

justprincess wrote: Bob secured his place in top 3 for sure.

Not quite yet! He has to get one more vote out of the 7 left! To make it a 4/3 vote next time. That's why he needs to convince Corinne, Sugar and Matty to vote with him. IMO Susie will stay with Crystal and Ken. If he can convince Matty that he would like to be in the F3 with him and Sugar I think Matty will go for it. Ken and Crystal can not promise F3 to Matty as Susie stands in the way. Corinne can be voted off the next time! I'm sure which ever of the Fang 3 is left will want to get rid of her. That would leave Bob, Sugar and Matty vs the now Fang 2. Matty & Sugar should both see that to make F3 they have to break up the Fang 3.

I'm thinking along the same lines Jackie. - Bob was so far out in the Onion Alliance that after the switch, he was replaced with Randy. Instead of keeping a solid ally, they bring in a wingnut. No love between Bob and Corinne, but he can use her.- Sugar and Corinne were never friendly but Sugar can use her for the moment.- Sugar doesn't trust Ken after the Ace thing, though he was right about the EVENTUAL result of her alliance with Ace. She won't mind getting rid of Ken and probably knows she NEEDS to.- Matty is not sure of his position in the groups. I think Sugar and Bob could convince him to break up the Crystal/Ken alliance, especially if Sugar uses the "YOU warned me about Ken, we need to get rid of him" line.So, my guess for the next 3 episodes:1) Sugar (the leader), Bob and Matty team with (any port in a storm) Corinne to boot Ken or Crystal. Susie is not even important any more. I would expect the Ken/Crystal alliance to assume they still have Susie, Matty and Sugar and will go for either Bob, or Corinne depending on who doesn't win the IC. If one of the 5 wins it, I presume Matty (if he still has a brain after 30+ days and wants to blindside K/C) will push them to 'vote Bob' since Matty was so adamant that Bob go first, then Randy, then Corinne until Randy dug his own grave, jumped in, and started pulling the dirt in.2) They toss the other half of Ken/Crystal unless that person wins the IC, then 'Bye-bye Corinne', don't need you any more3) Bye-bye Corinne, you are a self centered PITA. If she went in week 2, bye-bye Ken/Crystal. If that person wins the IC, then 'Bye Susie', you have a good heart but aren't in the Final 3 plan.Leaving Sugar, Bob, Matty and Susie/Crystal/Ken as the final 4. At this point, Sugar STILL has the HII though in past shows, I think its power disappeared once they were down to 4. Given they started the Jury at 10 again, I believe it will be final 3, not final 2. Now they individually have to decide who best to make final 3 and of course, that 'final 4' IC throws a huge wrench in everyone's plans. If there is any fire making involved, we've already seen which of them can start a fire!Hmm, just thinking, must be time for the 'Loved Ones Visit' episode! I hope Bob wins and gets to take his wife on a safari.

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JackieTN wrote:

Mrs_JR47 wrote:

- ornaxus wrote:

- enni90210 wrote: I hope Crystal goes home tonight.

I'm with you not liking her, but part of me is still holding out for a Randy/Crystal showdown for F2. Oh, the lovely, lovely fireworks!

hi everyone. GO SURVIVORS! hope matty, bob and sugar are the final 3.

Sounds good to me! I think Bob could get Matty & Sugar to vote with him next week while they still have Corinne as a fourth and vote off either Crystal or Susie! That would leave Ken with only one person. Then they could vote off Corinne next. And get the other girl and Ken. Making the F3 that you have above!

According to a Sugar video clip at the CBS website, she said that she, Ken and Crystal are in a sub-alliance AND Matty and Susie are in another one. As a result, I don't think Sugar will vote out Crystal nor do I think Matty will vote out Susie. According to a Matty video clip, he said that he wants to take out Ken and Crystal, but he's willing to stick with the 5 (Ken, Crystal, Sugar, Matty and Susie) until he does something like that. What he doesn't realize is that he doesn't have the numbers to do it. If all goes according to plan, I think Ken, Crystal and Sugar will take out Matty first and then Susie. We may be seeing Ken, Crystal and Sugar as the Final 3.

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Anonymous wrote:

mizzymm wrote: Boo Hoo, Next week is a recap, we'll have to wait two weeks to see a new episode.

Next week's recap ep?DAMN!!!

U.S. Thanksgiving Day. They never run a new episode when people are likely to be traveling or otherwise engaged instead of watching (the COMMERCIALS!) .

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ImASurviv0r wrote: For all you that think the next episode will be about Markus really hiding the Idol that he supposedly threw away, dont get fooled by the previews. I bet Bob is trying to cover up for messing with Randy so that he can be on Corrines good side so that he will get their votes if he makes it to the final 3. Anybody else agree?

Hi & Welcome ImA,I agree he has to get a foursome! I believe he & Sugar can convince Corinne & Matty! That would make one of the Fang 3 be voted off. It will depend on who might get the II, but to me at least getting them down to two should be the priority over Corinnes personality! She can go next!

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]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/396124.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/396124.page GMT Ok, I've not laughed that hard in quite some time! The look on Randy's face when jeff said "this is NOT the immunity idol" and Sugar, was trying to not laugh! and I loved Corrine's wink to the "Jury" when Susie's name was being read! then her look of shock! HA HA HA! who's the moron now Corrine? Still think Sugar is brainless? HA, I still dislike Crystal, but her voting confessional was hysterical! I honestly didnt even hear what she was saying i was laughing sooo hard! I heard my boyfriend laugh a laugh I've never heard before, but we r definatly watching it again on demand!! ha ha ha! For a season that was pretty boring early on has proved to be quite entertaining this last months or so Alison

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patdempster wrote: On the question of dishonourable conduct and the humiliating of Randy.... 2 things...1) Sugar is a kid and above all else she likes to have fun. That was just plan good comic relief for her while getting back at a bully. Whatever redeeming qualities Randy may or may not have he is a bully. Editing my have highlighted his bullying but they didn't created it. And I for one don't mind seeing a bully taken down. Especially by a women and especially without resorting to his brand of lateral-violence. Humiliated... perhaps but he earned it. 2) Since the first time someone snuck into someone's personal belonging to search for an idol I've determined there is no honour in survivor. I remember my jaw dropping and getting all indignant about how 'unfair' that was. I learned from then that there are no boundaries in Survivor so long as you can find a way to justify your actions at the final tribal council. If Sugar makes it to the final 2 she will gain votes for the work she did last night to bring Randy down a few notches. In my opinion....

I have to agree 100% about bullying! And I dont' agree with Fox that Randy didn't deserve some type of retort to his behavior. There is nothing any of the others that comes close to Randy's childish ,rude and uncalled for behavior. And that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

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desertbro wrote: Every week after Survivor and CSI I watch Life on Mars. I'm always amazed at how much Gretchen Mol looks like Sugar (or vice versa) !!!! Sugar told BOB the trick would be worth it. Did she only mean the humiliation of Randy, or did she hint at perhaps springing the REAL HII on him later in the game? It seems like Sugar doesn't even care about winning, but at this point she is really enjoying the interaction with the other players.Then again...she could be plotting to strike at Ken at the F6 tribal council, when everyone expects to vote out Bob, she gives Bob the HII and they both vote for Ken, bouncing him out instead!And this week she didn't CRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Desert,Thanks for the pix's! I think that now that Sugar got rid of her albatrosses (Ace & Randy) she is finally starting to have fun in the game! People don't cry when they are having fun!

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fornaxus wrote: OK, so, here's where I make myself slightly unpopular.. Never Fornaxus! 1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple. It's one thing to vote off someone who's on the Other Side - that's just the game. It's even understandable picking the person on the Other Side who you don't like - and let's face it, Randy's a bit of a physical threat. Randy will be angry over being voted out, regardless. It's just the way he's wired. But to HUMILIATE the man, for no better reason than that you dislike him, is just plain nasty. Randy was doing a GREAT JOB of HUMILIATING himself all during that day! His game plan was to make everyone hate him even more? What's with that? Depending on Bob to find the HII and then just give it to him? Again what's with that? Very strange Game Play in my opinion! And why didn't Corinne stop him? Because it took the Target off her? 2) I like Bob. I really do. But I'm disappointed in him. Now, I'm all about playing the game to win, and I'm pretty sure that this tactic gets him a LOT further than not doing so. But I've gotten used to the guy as a solid, loyal, reliable man. His willingness to participate in this humiliating display drops him a couple of notches in my Big Book of Integrity (even while, simultaneously, putting him up more than a few notches in my Tome of Playing the Game to Win). Bob said while making the fake idol that he hoped he could get it into play in a way that could save him and he did! He was not responsible for Randy making an A$$ out of himself! And Randy did ask for the Fake Idol to save his own butt, if it had been real that would mean that Bob would have been left high and dry. To me Bob just outwitted Randy! (Not so hard to do!) 3) I don't like Crystal. Not one bit. But her loudly proclaiming her vote for Randy and her reasons was actually really funny. Not because it was her usual loud-mouthed attitude. That's usually pretty annoying to me. But because it blatantly, unapologetically shattered the orthodoxy of the confessional. I laughed out loud, which was probably heard half-way down the block. I don't like Crystal all that much either and it was a Good Laugh. Perhaps, she was thinking back to the last TC when Randy wrote CC (alot like GC?) then he had to say her name Crystal Cox? 4) I liked having Randy in the game. But he buggered the small yip dog tonight. Your plan hinged completely on Bob getting the idol and giving it to you? THAT was your plan? No, that wasn't a plan, Randy. That was your over-heated head dictating tactics, which is ALWAYS a mistake. Hell, Matty was REACHING OUT TO YOU!! All you had to do was calm down, take a breath, and speak to him rationally about his chances of F3 with his current alliance, and he'd have seriously considered flipping. Doing so while seeming loyal, and inserting some doubt as to whether there's only one HII to force K/C/S/S to split their votes would have guaranteed a very distinct shift in the game's direction. But you blew it, Randy. Big time. Hmm... Randy = Rational? Nope that does not compute here! But I'm sure Bob & Sugar have caught on to the fact that Matty can be 'Wooed'! OK, so all of this said, I really do understand that, after 30 days out there, dealing with the same quirky-to-downright-obnoxious personalities out there, emotions run pretty damned ragged. It's only natural that the head takes a back seat to the little red demon with the pitchfork sitting on your left shoulder. I like to think that choices I'd make under those circumstances might have been different, but if I'm being honest with myself, I have to admit that I just don't know. I would LOVE to see someone from the MB's as Cast Members! Have you applied? ::sigh:: Very exciting episode, except for the lack of surprises, come TC.There. That's my say. I'm hitting "Submit" now.

Submit!

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iGoBefore wrote: To the best of my knowledge, the contestants know that there is only one HII in play at a time as part of the 'rules of the game'.

That is true to some extent, iGoBefore. In China there were 2 of them right off the bat ( one at each camp) and in this season, CBS put another one in play at the feast. Now it didn't turn out the way CBS has planned since they threw it away, but what they do, except maybe an eye roll. LOL I don't know that any of us can truly know what CBS has up their sleeves anymore and that's OK with me. Keeps me interested in the game.:0)

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patdempster wrote: What a HOOT!!! Even knowing it would be Randy to go with Bob sluffing off the fake idol tonight didn't spoil seeing how it unfolded. It was cool to Sugar mastermind that idea and Corrine make it easy to implement. I give Sugar extra credit too because it looks like Bob doesn't realize Sugar has the idol. Seems he might not think she was bright enough to have found it. You go girl!! If he knew she had the idol he wouldn't have told her that he didn't. She was so cool in her reaction. She's got game. Bob already has stated that 'Sugar has the HII'! When he found the empty peg on the tree and started making the fake idol! Why do you think he went to work on her instead of Matty? I think insult will be added to injury when Randy sees the tape. When he sees how Matty was saving him up uniit Randy turned on him too he'll fall over in his chair. I was a little nervous for Bob at tribal. Wasn't sure how many knew about the set up and if some might be still working Matty's plan to vote off Bob first. In the end Randy did it to himself. If he'd shut up he may not have needed the idol. Amen to that! I think Sugar is going to secure Matty and Bob and then add Corrine to her alliance to vote off Kenny, Crystal and whatshername... in that order depending on II wins. Bob will secure Corrine for Sugar with his coverup story. And so long as Matty doesn't try to work a different plan he'll be safe. She'll probably make it so Matty thinks he is in control of the plan she wants. That's the strategy that's kept her safe through the game so far. All these guys who think they control Sugar are actually controlled by her or chopped. She's either very luck or very clever. The next couple of weeks will tell us which it is for sure. II will be critcal.

How true!

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ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

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patdempster wrote:

wyoseeker said.... Hi, Pat, and welcome to the board!

So why did Bob take another clue? I thought he'd figured out Sugar must have the idol until I saw him do that. And when he said to Sugar..'you have no reason to believe me when I tell you I didn't find the idol...'... why'd he say that if he knew she had it? And third... she only said that she believed him but not because she has the idol. I really think he just has not clued in that she actually could have found it herself. Bob took the clue because he does know that the producers do like to pull switches! Bob found his own comfort by hiking around and seeing once in a life time vistas! He is one of the few who could feed himself!

And I don't think that Sugar was the one to "mastermind" the idea to play it. Bob already knew the ways his fake idol could be "played", and just needed some support with how it would play out. And who better than Sugar, one of his original tribemates, someone who could perhaps be swayed to work with him both with the idols and in a potential alliance?

Either way they make a good alliance.. Very true!

patdempst - r wrote: I think Sugar is going to secure Matty and Bob and then add Corrine to her alliance to vote off Kenny, Crystal and whatshername... in that order depending on II wins. Bob will secure Corrine for Sugar with his coverup story. And so long as Matty doesn't try to work a different plan he'll be safe. She'll probably make it so Matty thinks he is in control of the plan she wants. That's the strategy that's kept her safe through the game so far. All these guys who think they control Sugar are actually controlled by her or chopped. She's either very luck or very clever. The next couple of weeks will tell us which it is for sure. II will be critcal.

My thoughts exactly! That could potentially be a good strategy for Sugar. Wonder if she'll end up doing that or staying with the old Fang alliance, looking to who would be in the jury-- she might get more votes with Bob and Matty in the jury than being in a F3 against them with Ken/Crystal/Susie in the jury.

Good point.... hadn't thought of that.... lol....sorry for all the edits but this quoting business is a bit tricky!!

madbird11 wrote: Who ever said that there's no such thing as a backstab in Survivor obviously missed Chris in Vanatu, Pavarti in Micronesia and Johnny Fairplay period.Idiotic comment.

reyb99 wrote: Re-watched the episode and noticed that at the beginning of the episode, there was some editing done to Corinne's confessional. I noticed it sounded different when she said "Kenny and Crystal" and then continued on to "are taking out my entire alliance".i wonder if she really thought kenny and crystal were the masterminds? Or could it be editing by the producers?

steveartist wrote: Hello ALL,This is has to be one of the best shows on Survivor. I like Randy saying "I'm 75% going home tonight" add a 1000% to that lol.Randy is a terrible person how he talks to people. I guess he is like that in REAL life. BUT I thought he was a smart person. He should talked to BOB before he did this plan. In this case I dont think he would had changed anything, BOB would said he has the "IDOL". What if BOB don't have it? Then this is not a great plan. ALSO if Randy's plans did work, He would be saved for only one TC. They would get rid of him the NEXT TC.Sugar is getting to be the MASTERMIND she is liked by everyone and She had the IDOL. NOW she is in a good place. We see that the NEXT show there is a ANOTHER IDOL OUT. BOB made some point by going with Sugar so he should be there little longer. Corinne should be gone next show if she don't win challenge.-Steve

desertbro wrote:

reyb99 wrote: Re-watch - d the episode and noticed that at the beginning of the episode, there was some editing done to Corinne's confessional. I noticed it sounded different when she said "Kenny and Crystal" and then continued on to "are taking out my entire alliance".i wonder if she really thought kenny and crystal were the masterminds? Or could it be editing by the producers?

It's just trimming for the broadcast. If you watch the Secret Scene videos and the replays on the web, you see that in the confessionals the players tend to say the very same things again and again. The producers just take the most dramatic footage or splice out a lot of incidental yammerin' between the good stuff. Corinne could have gone off about how he hates Suzie for 5 minutes and then came back to talking about the other alliance. Well...the Onion Alliance made their choice.Dan: "I'm with you guys all the way"Suzie: "I was gonna vote for YOU, Corinne".And they voted out the guy who was on their side....Marcus said that when they got together they(him and Charlie) overheard Dan say to Matty, us two all the way and they never trusted him after that.

philsfan425 wrote: I have to agree 100% about bullying! And I dont' agree with Fox that Randy didn't deserve some type of retort to his behavior. There is nothing any of the others that comes close to Randy's childish ,rude and uncalled for behavior. And that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

JackieTN wrote: Randy was doing a GREAT JOB of HUMILIATING himself all during that day! His game plan was to make everyone hate him even more? What's with that? Depending on Bob to find the HII and then just give it to him? Again what's with that? Very strange Game Play in my opinion! And why didn't Corinne stop him? Because it took the Target off her?

Bob said while making the fake idol that he hoped he could get it into play in a way that could save him and he did! He was not responsible for Randy making an A$$ out of himself! And Randy did ask for the Fake Idol to save his own butt, if it had been real that would mean that Bob would have been left high and dry. To me Bob just outwitted Randy! (Not so hard to do!)

Hmm... Randy = Rational? Nope that does not compute here! But I'm sure Bob & Sugar have caught on to the fact that Matty can be 'Wooed'!

I would LOVE to see someone from the MB's as Cast Members! Have you applied?

myrcine wrote: GOOD BYE OLD NASTY STINKY RANDY...GO DRINK YOUR SELF TO DEATH....

JackieTN wrote:

justprincess wrote: This was by far the best episode ever!!!!Bob secured his place in top 3 for sure.

Hi and Welcome JP!Not quite yet! He has to get one more vote out of the 7 left! To make it a 4/3 vote next time. That's why he needs to convince Corinne, Sugar and Matty to vote with him.

fornaxus wrote: OK, so, here's where I make myself slightly unpopular...1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple. It's one thing to vote off someone who's on the Other Side - that's just the game. It's even understandable picking the person on the Other Side who you don't like - and let's face it, Randy's a bit of a physical threat. Randy will be angry over being voted out, regardless. It's just the way he's wired. But to HUMILIATE the man, for no better reason than that you dislike him, is just plain nasty.2) I like Bob. I really do. But I'm disappointed in him. Now, I'm all about playing the game to win, and I'm pretty sure that this tactic gets him a LOT further than not doing so. But I've gotten used to the guy as a solid, loyal, reliable man. His willingness to participate in this humiliating display drops him a couple of notches in my Big Book of Integrity (even while, simultaneously, putting him up more than a few notches in my Tome of Playing the Game to Win).3) I don't like Crystal. Not one bit. But her loudly proclaiming her vote for Randy and her reasons was actually really funny. Not because it was her usual loud-mouthed attitude. That's usually pretty annoying to me. But because it blatantly, unapologetically shattered the orthodoxy of the confessional. I laughed out loud, which was probably heard half-way down the block.4) I liked having Randy in the game. But he buggered the small yip dog tonight. Your plan hinged completely on Bob getting the idol and giving it to you? THAT was your plan? No, that wasn't a plan, Randy. That was your over-heated head dictating tactics, which is ALWAYS a mistake. Hell, Matty was REACHING OUT TO YOU!! All you had to do was calm down, take a breath, and speak to him rationally about his chances of F3 with his current alliance, and he'd have seriously considered flipping. Doing so while seeming loyal, and inserting some doubt as to whether there's only one HII to force K/C/S/S to split their votes would have guaranteed a very distinct shift in the game's direction. But you blew it, Randy. Big time.OK, so all of this said, I really do understand that, after 30 days out there, dealing with the same quirky-to-downright-obnoxious personalities out there, emotions run pretty damned ragged. It's only natural that the head takes a back seat to the little red demon with the pitchfork sitting on your left shoulder. I like to think that choices I'd make under those circumstances might have been different, but if I'm being honest with myself, I have to admit that I just don't know.::sigh:: Very exciting episode, except for the lack of surprises, come TC.There. That's my say. I'm hitting "Submit" now.

rhokita wrote: According to a Sugar video clip at the CBS website, she said that she, Ken and Crystal are in a sub-alliance AND Matty and Susie are in another one. As a result, I don't think Sugar will vote out Crystal nor do I think Matty will vote out Susie. According to a Matty video clip, he said that he wants to take out Ken and Crystal, but he's willing to stick with the 5 (Ken, Crystal, Sugar, Matty and Susie) until he does something like that. What he doesn't realize is that he doesn't have the numbers to do it. If all goes according to plan, I think Ken, Crystal and Sugar will take out Matty first and then Susie. We may be seeing Ken, Crystal and Sugar as the Final 3.

steplove wrote: I don't like it how Matty just reunited with Crystal and Kenny's group, and he thinks he's the decision-maker all of a sudden. Does that annoy anyone else? Crystal and kenney have been wheelin' and dealin', and this guy comes back and he's in charge. Go Crystal!!!

desertbro wrote:

rhokita wrote: Accordi - g to a Sugar video clip at the CBS website, she said that she, Ken and Crystal are in a sub-alliance AND Matty and Susie are in another one. As a result, I don't think Sugar will vote out Crystal nor do I think Matty will vote out Susie. According to a Matty video clip, he said that he wants to take out Ken and Crystal, but he's willing to stick with the 5 (Ken, Crystal, Sugar, Matty and Susie) until he does something like that. What he doesn't realize is that he doesn't have the numbers to do it. If all goes according to plan, I think Ken, Crystal and Sugar will take out Matty first and then Susie. We may be seeing Ken, Crystal and Sugar as the Final 3.

ITA. I totally agree with this analysis. Bring in the magic screen and Anderson Cooper to run the numbers.

myrcine wrote:

myrcine wrote: GOOD BYE OLD NASTY STINKY RANDY...GO DRINK YOUR SELF TO DEATH....

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

madbird11 wrote: Who ever said that there's no such thing as a backstab in Survivor obviously missed Chris in Vanatu, Pavarti in Micronesia and Johnny Fairplay period.Idiotic comment.

myrcine wrote:

myrcine wrote: GOOD BYE OLD NASTY STINKY RANDY...GO DRINK YOUR SELF TO DEATH....

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

charlajc wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

[b] THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!Every season I'm disappointed to learn that the person who did the most work doesn't win because they lied to someone on the jury. WHO CARES?!?!?! the game is out wit out last out play. If they didn't lie they wouldn't be in the final two. Its all jealousy that those on the jury didn't make it to the final two. NEWSFLASH: THIS IS A GAME a game to win a million dollars. Friends and families were left at home. No hard feelings, No emotions, simply a strategic game, where moves and plans shouldn't be taken so personally....I can only hope that this year Ken or Sugar may win.... I can't stand to watch another person who's done no work to make it to the in on their lack of personality and threat (Susie and Crystal)

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.

maril26 wrote: Errrrr... not to burst your bubble, but Crystal hasn't done much except moaning. Give credit where credit is due, and that credit belongs to Kenny and Sugar.

desertbro wrote:

maril26 wrote: Errrrr... not to burst your bubble, but Crystal hasn't done much except moaning. Give credit where credit is due, and that credit belongs to Kenny and Sugar.

The Dynamics of a Blindside: 1) Make the Victim Comfortable Victim 1 -- Crystal "bonds" with Marcus, he thinks she's in his pocket Victim 2 -- Crystal feuds with Randy -- Charlie thinks he's safe on the sidelines of the battle Victim 3 -- Bob gives the FHII to Randy, he thinks his plan is a sure thing2) Block All Exits Victim 1 -- Crystal sways Suzie to vote with her and Ken because Marcus won't guarantee her F3 Victim 2 -- Ken convinces Sugar that Charlie is "the brains" and his demise will cause the fall of that alliance Victim 3 -- Matty is told to vote out Randy because frankly, everyone's had enough of his mouth3) Cut the Throat Victim 1 -- Ken decrees that Kota's power structure has to be cut off at the top Victim 2 -- Ken decrees revenge must be taken for tossing the second HII into the sea, no quarter given to the enemy Victim 3 -- Sugar makes the deal with Bob to that Randy falls in the unkindest cut of all.This is how people team up to make a blindside go down. Do not discount the efforts of any of the players.

turtlebird84 wrote: [col - r=blue]Gee, I wonder who will be the "angry juror" this season?I was so amused by this episode!!![/color] ROFLOL

ca_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

ca_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

fornaxus wrote:

ca_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

Good example, but this one's better: Dreamz and Yau. I give you a new truck, you give me Immunity. Deal. Ha! Fooled you!That was backstab, not blindside. It also happened to be (somewhat) good for Dreamz' chances in the game.

bandfour wrote: Kenny must be hoping there is something really good to come and wants to continue to have the most money.

If she had broken the seal would it have been no good for the IC?

So Bob must think that the real HII was still out there. Why did he expect the clue to be different?

What would have happened if Corrine had violated the instructions and broke the seal and opened the bottle before the challenge? Would she have immediately been eliminated?

Crystal again does very well at the challenge!! LOL!!!

Sugar tells Bob that she will make it worth his while. What is she promising him?

(Fashion Statement of the week: Don’t Marcus and Charlie look so well coordinated when they walk in? LOL )

tcvi5673 wrote: No way! Next week is recap? Next week is Thanksgiving and I got one of Sugar's sisters coming over so we can watch it together as a family. (The sister is my Dad's sister too) Well, darn! Plan ruined!

turtlebird84 wrote:

jenni90210 wrote: Remember , everyone who was with Sugar before the merge knew she had and still has the idol. They do seem to never bring it up or mention it and it does feel like they all forgot. I guess they are just taking care of everyone else first. They could have tried to flush it out though because they have gotten enough of the other tribe out.

Hi Jenni - Your post just put a CRAZY idea into my head. WHAT IF we see yet another "Survivor First" in that they decide NOT to go after the person with the HII at all ? I know that sounds totally far fetched, but we've seen some pretty crazy stuff already. :0)

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

maril26 wrote:

myrcine wrote:

myrcine wrote: GOOD BYE OLD NASTY STINKY RANDY...GO DRINK YOUR SELF TO DEATH....

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow! Laughing at your own tirades??? How smart!... BTW, does Randy's bio mention anything about alcoholism or did he bring that up during any of the episodes? Cause I missed it!!If anyone is calling Randy an alcoholic based on 3 beers and a glass of wine at Survivor Auction, that's pretty much uncalled for...

maril26 wrote: BTW, does Randy's bio mention anything about alcoholism or did he bring that up during any of the episodes? Cause I missed it!!If anyone is calling Randy an alcoholic based on 3 beers and a glass of wine at Survivor Auction, that's pretty much uncalled for...

iGoBefore wrote:

bandfour wrote: (Fashion Statement of the week: Don’t Marcus and Charlie look so well coordinated when they walk in? LOL )

Watch the Ponderosa video, Charlie said they spent HOURS deciding what to wear and they showed a lot of 'modeling' different things. MAN they must have been bored, or I'm just a guy. Find clean clothes, put on clean clothes, hop in the helicopter!

JackieTN wrote:

steveartist wrote: Hello ALL,This is has to be one of the best shows on Survivor. I like Randy saying "I'm 75% going home tonight" add a 1000% to that lol.Randy is a terrible person how he talks to people. I guess he is like that in REAL life. BUT I thought he was a smart person. He should talked to BOB before he did this plan. In this case I dont think he would had changed anything, BOB would said he has the "IDOL". What if BOB don't have it? Then this is not a great plan. ALSO if Randy's plans did work, He would be saved for only one TC. They would get rid of him the NEXT TC.Sugar is getting to be the MASTERMIND she is liked by everyone and She had the IDOL. NOW she is in a good place. We see that the NEXT show there is a ANOTHER IDOL OUT. BOB made some point by going with Sugar so he should be there little longer. Corinne should be gone next show if she don't win challenge.-Steve

Glad to see some of our Golden Clasics have come for a visit this time! Ya'll come back soon! You've been missed!

jenni90210 wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: Eve - yone except Randy, Corinne and Bob know that Sugar has the real idol... That's what made this so funny and why they were laughing so hard - they knew Randy was playing a fake idol...Yes, Crystal's "you've made my life a living hell from the very beginning"..........That was great...

I think Bob knows too. Sugar and Bob have an alliance I am positive of that. He told her he made the fake idol and next week he is telling her about the one Marcus gave him. I have not liked Crystal but that was the funniest thing yet. She went up a notch for that. LOVED IT>

desertbro wrote:

maril26 wrote: BTW, does Randy's bio mention anything about alcoholism or did he bring that up during any of the episodes? Cause I missed it!!If anyone is calling Randy an alcoholic based on 3 beers and a glass of wine at Survivor Auction, that's pretty much uncalled for...

Um....in the Ponderosa videos Randy practically has a beet bottle glued to his hand in every scene. Charlie comments that Randy talked about beer all the time in camp and said it was what he missed the most. At the big beach picnic the first thing Randy jumped at was the beer and again he never let go of the bottle the whole time, even when Marcus tossed the HII, Randy is boozing it out in the waves. And when he's not drinking he's cranky and hates everyone. Sound like an alcoholic, anyone?

bandfour wrote: BANDFOUR’s EPISODE 9 RECAP PRELUDE Why do Randy and Bob have to go out into the woods to make the hand-off of the fake HII? Why didn’t Bob just give it to Randy in the hit? This is too staged or scripted. Randy says that there are going to be some surprised people at TC tonight and he is right! Then says it looks like and idol to me (again too scripted).

itshotincali wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: [ - uote=jenni90210][qu - te=bandfour][quot - =papergirl914] [color=darkblue] That was probably the best

I do think they edited out some of Sugar talking and planning with Bob. The preview for next week showed them talking again and Bob showing Sugar the idol that Marcus gave him. Did anyone see that?

ladybhawke wrote: I am going to explain this one last time....Bob is NOT in an alliance with Sugar... Bob does NOT have the idol - Sugar does... Marcus NEVER took the idol... Marcus NEVER had the idol.... Marcus NEVER gave the idol to Bob... Marcus NEVER buried the idol.... Marcus NEVER showed Bob where he hid it.... Bob is talking to CORINNE....

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

maril26 wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: I am going to explain this one last time....Bob is NOT in an alliance with Sugar... Bob does NOT have the idol - Sugar does... Marcus NEVER took the idol... Marcus NEVER had the idol.... Marcus NEVER gave the idol to Bob... Marcus NEVER buried the idol.... Marcus NEVER showed Bob where he hid it.... Bob is talking to CORINNE....

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but it sounds like you're missing the fact that Bob is talking about THE IDOL THAT WAS IN THE BOTTLE THAT RANDY FOUND DURING THE PICNIC!!!Here is how it went: the 2 tribes were gathered for a feast during what would normally have been a Reward Challenge. There was a piece of Survivor parchment lying on the table. Kenny was the first to pick it up and Charlie was all over him to read along. That parchment gave clue to the location of a second Hidden Immunity Idol. Randy, drunk or not, took less than 30 seconds to find it. At that point, it was decided to throw the frickin' HII (still in its bottle) in the ocean (I was talking in my last post about things that are so unreal, they make you wonder if this show isn't staged... this is another one of them!! Finder's keeper's... that was Randy's to keep. I understand he felt 100% safe at that point, but still!...Anyway, in the preview, when Bob talks to Corinne, he reveals her that Marcus was able to sneak that HII out of the bottle and into his pocket before throwing the bottle in the ocean, and hid it at camp. And he talks about the possibility of retrieving that idol.But then, if Marcus really hid the HII, why didn't he use it? Everybody in his tribe now in the other tribe knew he would be targeted first after his new tribe lost the IC. He would have seen this coming, surely?? The other tribe's plan was to throw the challenge to save Marcus' neck, but Matty (who wasn't part of that plan) won the challenge for the whole tribe. I have doubts about the truth of that piece of information revealed by Bob...

maril26 wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: I am going to explain this one last time....Bob is NOT in an alliance with Sugar... Bob does NOT have the idol - Sugar does... Marcus NEVER took the idol... Marcus NEVER had the idol.... Marcus NEVER gave the idol to Bob... Marcus NEVER buried the idol.... Marcus NEVER showed Bob where he hid it.... Bob is talking to CORINNE....

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but it sounds like you're missing the fact that Bob is talking about THE IDOL THAT WAS IN THE BOTTLE THAT RANDY FOUND DURING THE PICNIC!!!Here is how it went: the 2 tribes were gathered for a feast during what would normally have been a Reward Challenge. There was a piece of Survivor parchment lying on the table. Kenny was the first to pick it up and Charlie was all over him to read along. That parchment gave clue to the location of a second Hidden Immunity Idol. Randy, drunk or not, took less than 30 seconds to find it. At that point, it was decided to throw the frickin' HII (still in its bottle) in the ocean (I was talking in my last post about things that are so unreal, they make you wonder if this show isn't staged... this is another one of them!! Finder's keeper's... that was Randy's to keep. I understand he felt 100% safe at that point, but still!...Anyway, in the preview, when Bob talks to Corinne, he reveals her that Marcus was able to sneak that HII out of the bottle and into his pocket before throwing the bottle in the ocean, and hid it at camp. And he talks about the possibility of retrieving that idol.But then, if Marcus really hid the HII, why didn't he use it? Everybody in his former tribe now in the other tribe knew he would be targeted first after his new tribe lost the IC. He would have seen this coming, surely?? The other tribe's plan was to throw the challenge to save Marcus' neck, but Matty (who wasn't part of that plan) won the challenge for the whole tribe. I have doubts about the truth of that piece of information revealed by Bob...

fornaxus wrote: 1) I like Sugar. I really do. But, for the sake of the game, there was no reason to throw in the fake idol that way. It was pure mean-spiritedness, plain and simple.Randy is not a vampire. Randy is a human being, and a proud - to the point of hubristic - man. The vote was enough. Nobody was in doubt of it's outcome. This was just cruelty. Colorful, emotional descriptives aside, Sugar humiliated someone who will now have to vote for someone to win $1,000,000. And that vote COULD have been hers if, say, Crystal or Suzie were the rest of her F2. Not anymore.IMO, she acted out of spite, period. I still like her, and wish her well in the game, but let's not make up motivations for her. Based on what we've seen, her motivations for using the FHII in this way were not altruitic, and were not strategic.

ladybhawke wrote: I have really tried to be respectful.....

ladybhawke wrote:

maril26 wrote: [quote - ladybhawke]I am going to explain this one last time....Bob is NOT in an alliance with Sugar... Bob does NOT have the idol - Sugar does... Marcus NEVER took the idol... Marcus NEVER had the idol.... Marcus NEVER gave the idol to Bob... Marcus NEVER buried the idol.... Marcus NEVER showed Bob where he hid it.... Bob is talking to CORINNE....

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but it sounds like you're missing the fact that Bob is talking about THE IDOL THAT WAS IN THE BOTTLE THAT RANDY FOUND DURING THE PICNIC!!!Here is how it went: the 2 tribes were gathered for a feast during what would normally have been a Reward Challenge. There was a piece of Survivor parchment lying on the table. Kenny was the first to pick it up and Charlie was all over him to read along. That parchment gave clue to the location of a second Hidden Immunity Idol. Randy, drunk or not, took less than 30 seconds to find it. At that point, it was decided to throw the frickin' HII (still in its bottle) in the ocean (I was talking in my last post about things that are so unreal, they make you wonder if this show isn't staged... this is another one of them!! Finder's keeper's... that was Randy's to keep. I understand he felt 100% safe at that point, but still!...Anyway, in the preview, when Bob talks to Corinne, he reveals her that Marcus was able to sneak that HII out

bandfour wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

ejetson2 wrote:

bandfour wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

What she did was not backstabing. But it exists in the game and if you can't see it....well maybe you should read the dictionary again.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- andfour wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

The game. Those who commit deceit have backstabbed.

ladybhawke wrote:

jenni90210 wrote: [qu - te=ladybhawke]Eve - yone except Randy, Corinne and Bob know that Sugar has the real idol... That's what made this so funny and why they were laughing so hard - they knew Randy was playing a fake idol...Yes, Crystal's "you've made my life a living hell from the very beginning"..........That was great...

I think Bob knows too. Sugar and Bob have an alliance I am positive of that. He told her he made the fake idol and next week he is telling her about the one Marcus gave him. I have not liked Crystal but that was the funniest thing yet. She went up a notch for that. LOVED IT>

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- andfour wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

The game. Those who commit deceit have backstabbed.

No, those who deceive are deceitful. Since there is/was nothing unfair about it, there is no backstab. It's just a word used by those who lost to try to make themselves feel better about the fact that they didn't think of it first.

philsfan425 wrote: Hey Carrie, what were you testing last night? My patience??? LOL

ejetson2 wrote:

ca_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

Another reason that All-Star versions are bad. These people know each other before the show starts. It's not a fair competition to have two (or more) friends on the same show. But, still, in the context of the game, it wasn't a backstabbing. In the context of life outside the game, maybe so.

ejetson2 wrote:

fornaxus wrote:

- a_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

Good example, but this one's better: Dreamz and Yau. I give you a new truck, you give me Immunity. Deal. Ha! Fooled you!That was backstab, not blindside. It also happened to be (somewhat) good for Dreamz' chances in the game.

That was smart playing, not backstabbing. Nobody else was going to win against Yau. If Dreamz wanted a shot at the million, he had no choice but to vote out Yau.

maril26 wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: I am going to explain this one last time....Bob is NOT in an alliance with Sugar... Bob does NOT have the idol - Sugar does... Marcus NEVER took the idol... Marcus NEVER had the idol.... Marcus NEVER gave the idol to Bob... Marcus NEVER buried the idol.... Marcus NEVER showed Bob where he hid it.... Bob is talking to CORINNE....

Anyway, in the preview, when Bob talks to Corinne, he reveals her that Marcus was able to sneak that HII out of the bottle and into his pocket before throwing the bottle in the ocean, and hid it at camp. And he talks about the possibility of retrieving that idol.But then, if Marcus really hid the HII, why didn't he use it? Everybody in his former tribe now in the other tribe knew he would be targeted first after his new tribe lost the IC. He would have seen this coming, surely?? The other tribe's plan was to throw the challenge to save Marcus' neck, but Matty (who wasn't part of that plan) won the challenge for the whole tribe. I have doubts about the truth of that piece of information revealed by Bob...

Maril, - Bob was fibbing, suggesting a 'scenario' to Corinne in that preview! - Marcus never kept the II, and buried it. It looks like Bob is just trying to buy some time and garner some favour while still left in the game with Corinne,... Corinne could still win II next eppy. He also voted for Susie, to throw off Randy and Corinne. It's just a temporary (very temp. if Corinne goes next) move on Bob's part.Some of us had even suspected that Randy, being Randy... had swiped the Idol that day on the beach, whether Marcus knew about it or not. However, I know Randy's personality would not have let him keep quiet for long... IF he'd had it. And, had Marcus buried it, well - they left that beach later to not return again. That particular II's out of play.And this, people, is another reason I can't stand the HII's, and Exile. Huge distraction and unrealistic scenarios that confuse people (well me and some *others* ahem)! hehe. KISS - Keep it simple, stud. Carrie

jebril wrote: Jeff thinks Ken is being cocky, in all reality Jeff is probably underestimating Ken's background. Ken did this kind of stuff for a living, he's a strategist its what he gets paid to do in Smash, he knows Sugar + Matty are huge threats he will do something about it.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- andfour wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

The game. Those who commit deceit have backstabbed.

No, those who deceive are deceitful. Since there is/was nothing unfair about it, there is no backstab. It's just a word used by those who lost to try to make themselves feel better about the fact that they didn't think of it first.

Deceit has nothing to do with fair. They are not hand in hand. Meaning it can still be deceitful and fair. Does not mean that it's right and therefore those that are upset can be upset rightfully so.Trying to down play deceit as wrong or as not in existence in the game is true telling of your own character.

O.K., - We're getting a little personal about a silly definition in a GAME, aren't we?! Be nice... After 16 1/2 Seasons I think everyone knows there's deception throughout the game, done by varying degrees by Survivors, yes, but if you really want to win the game...Alright, scolding over - Interesting, though as your statement begs some questions...If you (or I) were to get on Survivor, how would you know who to trust, how far could you trust them, and which one of you would have to outplay the other first? You'd have to deceive them, or them you at some point. Instincts, I guess. Remember when YauMan did play his? He couldn't shake the feeling that he'd been targeted, and he was right. Walking up to them and telling them = giving away your lead is kind of silly. It's like you're giving your ally 'fair warning' to dupe, or outsmart you.At first you may make an alliance, but things change.. you'd have to have others, imo, just to back yourself up, as they would also be doing with you if they're smart. Just some thoughts.

mizzymm wrote: Randy hates Susie more then he hates Crystal.Hmmmm.

dr_obvious wrote: I don't understand why you guys think Sugar and Bob have an alliance now. Sure, she'll keep him for a few more tribals, but when she was speaking to the camera, she even said she wasn't in an alliance with Bob.It's going to be Sugar, Matty, Crystal, Ken and Susie Final 5.

bandfour wrote:

maril26 wrote:

myrcine wrote:

myrcine wrote: GOOD BYE OLD NASTY STINKY RANDY...GO DRINK YOUR SELF TO DEATH....

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow! Laughing at your own tirades??? How smart!... BTW, does Randy's bio mention anything about alcoholism or did he bring that up during any of the episodes? Cause I missed it!!If anyone is calling Randy an alcoholic based on 3 beers and a glass of wine at Survivor Auction, that's pretty much uncalled for...

Not saying that he is an alcoholic, but did you see the episode with the beach feast? He was so drunk that he could barely stand or walk. *BAND*

desertbro wrote:

maril26 wrote: BTW, does Randy's bio mention anything about alcoholism or did he bring that up during any of the episodes? Cause I missed it!!If anyone is calling Randy an alcoholic based on 3 beers and a glass of wine at Survivor Auction, that's pretty much uncalled for...

Um....in the Ponderosa videos Randy practically has a beer bottle glued to his hand in every scene. Charlie comments that Randy talked about beer all the time in camp and said it was what he missed the most. At the big beach picnic the first thing Randy jumped at was the beer and again he never let go of the bottle the whole time, even when Marcus tossed the HII, Randy is boozing it out in the waves. And when he's not drinking he's cranky and hates everyone. Sound like an alcoholic, anyone?

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

What she did was not backstabing. But it exists in the game and if you can't see it....well maybe you should read the dictionary again.

carriekins wrote: Band,I was reading your Recap Summary - funny and enlightening as usual!I (think) the last time (and I could be wrong) they held the auction and had that type of clue, was in Cook Islands. Yul gave his ally, Becky, his cash to bid on it. (To have an 'advantage' in the Immunity Challenge). Seems there was another time, I just can't remember... - from recently. Carrie, The last auction was in Micro. I can't remember who 'Bid' on those 'Bats' but i do remember James eating them! Yuck! Corinne may just know her Survivor history, yes and she'd be one of the FEW - LOL. But I too, have seen some doozies, - actually I'm flabbergasted nobody has mentioned obvious ones in Micronesia..(to me anyway) to re-sell us the game, but I digress... - What also struck me as odd, also was just how much Corinne and Randy counted on Bob and his finding the HII, the 2nd time out, too. They had already made plans before he even approached them! - He had been with Sugar talking to her about playing the 'fake'. Why did Randy and Corinne wait so long to go up to Bob, even?After they propose their plan, only AFTER - does he say anything, admit to Corinne that he found it. I suspect this was either all show or Bob was still thinking his own plan out? Hmmm... Why, indeed did Bob wait so long to give Randy the FII? I initially thought Bob wasn't sure - as again, they show him talking to Sugar once more before R & Cget ahold of him, but they're so slow... And their whole plan 'hinges' on him? I guess Bob waited until Randy approached him alone in the 'hut' so the others would not see Randy take the fake? Most know that Sugar has the real deal. What i don't understand is this: Randy found a real one on the beach! The bottle and HII sat on the 'table' for quite awhile! He took the HII out to the ocean and Marcus threw it. Of anyone Randy should have known what the real HII's looked like! So why did he take it on faith that Bob's was Real???? He didn't even really look at the fake! Even Crystal, Ken and Matty started laughing before Jeff said the word "NOT". And they barely glanced at Sugars in her bag! My conclusion is that Randy was way to drunk at the picnic to focus on what the "Real" ones looked like! Suspicious...Oh and another Fashion Statement: Corinne wears the same icky purple? tank top throughout the eppy, but in a confessional before the challenge, she's wearing what looks to be a beautiful two-piece red & white dress or Sarong. I thought they didn't have any other clothes with them? I haven't checked but is it the one she got in that village? They did wear them back to camp! C'kins

carriekins wrote: Band,I was reading your Recap Summary - funny and enlightening as usual!I (think) the last time (and I could be wrong) they held the auction and had that type of clue, was in Cook Islands. Yul gave his ally, Becky, his cash to bid on it. (To have an 'advantage' in the Immunity Challenge). Seems there was another time, I just can't remember... - from recently.C'kins

givcheds wrote: I must have missed the bit where Sugar informed Ace that they were no longer in an alliance, or gave him any indication that her preferences had shifted. She backstabbed him. And she did it beautifully! As to the fake idol. Looked more real than the real one, and who's to say it wouldn't have been different to the one anyone glanced at when the feast was on? When was the last time you saw a 'smiley face' on an idol? it weren't a stick.

madam_p wrote: Good luck, Bob. That was a great idol you made! As someone else said, I thought it was a pity Jeff threw it in the fire -- it would've sold on e-Bay no question! But I guess it must be tradition -- Jeff threw one other one into the fire, too, on an earlier season. (Was it Ozzy's? I forget...)This was a good episode, but very cringe-worthy, to me.(I wrote this post earlier and it was there for awhile, but it disappeared. I had forgotten to log in. Do The Powers That Be remove 'anonymous' posts? I saw others, and mine seemed to be there for a minute at least. And I didn't even use any bad words! ) (Why does the screen keep scrolling down while I'm writing?)(Can you tell I haven't posted since last season? LOL!)

bandfour wrote: BANDFOUR’s Episode 10 Likeability Index – Change from last week in parens 6 – Matty (0) – He wanted to vote off Bob first, but then changed his mind. I don’t see him having much in the way of strategy.1 – Crystal (0) – Continues to annoy! But continues to excel at the challenges, NOT!

carriekins wrote: After they propose their plan, only AFTER - does he say anything, admit to Corinne that he found it. I suspect this was either all show or Bob was still thinking his own plan out? Hmmm... Why, indeed did Bob wait so long to give Randy the FII? I initially thought Bob wasn't sure - as again, they show him talking to Sugar once more before R & Cget ahold of him, but they're so slow... And their whole plan 'hinges' on him?Suspicious...Oh and another Fashion Statement: Corinne wears the same icky purple? tank top throughout the eppy, but in a confessional before the challenge, she's wearing what looks to be a beautiful two-piece red & white dress or Sarong. I thought they didn't have any other clothes with them?C'kins

Deceit has nothing to do with fair. They are not hand in hand. Meaning it can still be deceitful and fair.

Does not mean that it's right and therefore those that are upset can be upset rightfully so.

Trying to down play deceit as wrong or as not in existence in the game is true telling of your own character.

turtlebird84 wrote:

bandfour wrote: BANDFOUR’s Episode 10 Likeability Index – Change from last week in parens 6 – Matty (0) – He wanted to vote off Bob first, but then changed his mind. I don’t see him having much in the way of strategy.1 – Crystal (0) – Continues to annoy! But continues to excel at the challenges, NOT!

Band - I feel the need to "defend" Matty's decision on changing who to vote for. He DID want to vote Bob out, but Randy's camp tirade changed it for him. IMHO Can't say I blame him and since I am a HUGE "Bob fan", I'm OK with that. te heCrystal??? I THINK she's still holding back. ROFLOL Ohhhhh brother!!T-Bird :0)

carriekins wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: [quot - =fornaxus]

- a_treehugs wrote: I think the first all stars had a "backstabbing" as opposed to a blindside when Rawb turned on Lex after begging him to protect Amber. I don't think Rawb should have been held to protecting Lex into FTC, but he should have waited one TC before organizing a vote against him. Those two were friends outside the show, Rawb had been to Lex's house here in Santa Cruz, and since that incident the friendship was ended.

Good example, but this one's better: Dreamz and Yau. I give you a new truck, you give me Immunity. Deal. Ha! Fooled you!That was backstab, not blindside. It also happened to be (somewhat) good for Dreamz' chances in the game.

That was smart playing, not backstabbing. Nobody else was going to win against Yau. If Dreamz wanted a shot at the million, he had no choice but to vote out Yau.

bandfour wrote: T-Bird, My comment was was more around why would Matty want to have Bob voted off first? They had agreed the previous eppy that Randy was the next target. I like Bob a lot as you know from my likeability index. I have rated Bob high from the beginning of the season. I do understand that Bob is better liked and seems to be more of a threat in the individual challenges than Randy. There was also the possbility in Matty's mind that there could have been a second HII on EI which Bob could have found. So maybe Bob is a more likely choice. However Bob is less alligned with the "old" onion alliance than Randy, so Bob could be useful to keep around for the Fang alliance. Also could be the editing, but I don't see much to Matty's game. *BAND*

ejetson2 wrote:

bandfour wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

madbird11 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: [quote - bandfour]

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

turtlebird84 wrote: Would you and I be in agreement that Bob really hasn't shown us much strategy either? I like him and all, but I wonder what he's thinking.It could also be another "editing" thing. [/color] WHY is this darn thread messed up?

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

carriekins wrote:

dr_obvious wrote: I don't understand why you guys think Sugar and Bob have an alliance now. Sure, she'll keep him for a few more tribals, but when she was speaking to the camera, she even said she wasn't in an alliance with Bob.It's going to be Sugar, Matty, Crystal, Ken and Susie Final 5.

It's still anybody's game. Bob could win the next Immunity, as could Corinne. Sugar's sitting in a great spot right now. She still has that HII. She may just like her power, no matter what she's said in a video.. - - And remember, - in China Courtney came in 2nd, and Sugar's playing One heck of a better game right now than most, beside Kenny, imo. I think Bob (the nice guy) was smart to try and align with her. Not only did he buy himself a week, he received 'a promise' for later on down the road from Sugar. And ALL Sugar would tell the others was "You're all going to love it.". (The TC). Together, they could try to play the Idol offensively, although it'd have to be Bob's strategizing.. - She could get Susie to flip for sure, and Matty's shown he's willing to deal. A lot is going to depend on the IC's, also and people's willingness to 'think' and 'go for it'.I don't know what's wrong with Crystal. She has to know she wouldn't win against either of them. Randy should have been kept one more week, to throw in the final 3, and give a side a number. Now that we're down to 7, I hope to see some wheeling and dealin going on... The power players - which NOW I see as Sugar, Kenny and Matty.. perhaps - (should) be shifting a bit... It's going to be Interesting, for sure!

turtlebird84 wrote:

bandfour wrote: [co - or=black] BANDFOUR’s Episode 10 Likeability Index – Change from last week in parens 6 – Matty (0) – He wanted to vote off Bob first, but then changed his mind. I don’t see him having much in the way of strategy.1 – Crystal (0) – Continues to annoy! But continues to excel at the challenges, NOT! [/color]

Band - I feel the need to "defend" Matty's decision on changing who to vote for. He DID want to vote Bob out, but Randy's camp tirade changed it for him. IMHO Can't say I blame him and since I am a HUGE "Bob fan", I'm OK with that. te heCrystal??? I THINK she's still holding back. ROFLOL Ohhhhh brother!!T-Bird :0)

bandfour wrote: T-Bird, Several threads are messed up! For awhile CBS was allowing anonymous posts (i.e. posters that did not have to be signed in) on the message board. I know that this is one of the options for many of the MB formats. They turned off this feature again now and it looks like the anonymous posts have been removed. However the MB still thinks the post count for the thread includes the removed posts so there are "blank" pages at the end of several threads. A question for you or anyone. Has the "private message" button always been at the bottom of every post? Am I that unobservant? Or has CBS installed another set of changes for the message board? If so where are out ignore buttons? *BAND*

ejetson2 wrote:

madbird11 wrote: [quote - ejetson2][quote - bandfour]

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

bandfour wrote:

turtlebird84 wrote: Would you and I be in agreement that Bob really hasn't shown us much strategy either? I like him and all, but I wonder what he's thinking.It could also be another "editing" thing. [/color] WHY is this darn thread messed up?

T-Bird, You and I are in agreement about Bob not showing much of his strategy. I am hoping the best of Bob is yet to come. Several threads are messed up! For awhile CBS was allowing anonymous posts (i.e. posters that did not have to be signed in) on the message board. I know that this is one of the options for many of the MB formats. They turned off this feature again now and it looks like the anonymous posts have been removed. However the MB still thinks the post count for the thread includes the removed posts so there are "blank" pages at the end of several threads. A question for you or anyone. Has the "private message" button always been at the bottom of every post? Am I that unobservant? Or has CBS installed another set of changes for the message board? If so where are out ignore buttons? *BAND*

Yep, Band the PM button has been here since the MB was put up! Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.For the last couple of days I've been having trouble with the posts stretching way over into that band of ads on the right side.Also, sometimes I can use my IM when I'm on the MB and other times it will close down both!Also, while I'm typing in the message body & want to change the color of the text the cursor goes up to the top before I want it too!Weird

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

JackieTN wrote: Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.

catscan_69 wrote: [code]

turtlebi - d84 wrote: [col - r=blue]Gee, I wonder who will be the "angry juror" this season?I was so amused by this episode!!![/color] ROFLOL

OMG, that was THE best blind side of any season, hands down. I was laughing so hard. Randy was never one of my favorites. IMO Sugar is the smartest one in the bunch, and people are unestimating her. .

turtlebird84 wrote:

JackieTN wrote: [ - olor=red] Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.[/color]

Getting sent to the BB site still blows my mind. Yesterday I went to reply to someone's POST and it shipped me off to the BB9 site!!! Took me three tries before it stopped doing that.AHHH, but we DO love it here, don't we???T-Bird :0)

I just hope they get everything running smoothly by next season!

JackieTN wrote: I just hope they get everything running smoothly by next season!

It's on my wish list for Christmas!!!

hgheith wrote: hello all, I'm new to the forum, didn't know one existed! Can't wait to see what happens tonight, at this point the I'm only rooting for bob & sugar, everyone else has changed or is gone!we'll see...

madbird11 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: [quote - madbird11][quote - ejetson2][quote - bandfour]

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

ejetson2 wrote:

madbird11 wrote: [quote - ejetson2][quote - madbird11][quote - ejetson2][quote - bandfour]

- _jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

back·stab (bkstb) tr.v. back·stabbed, back·stab·bing, back·stabs To attack (someone) unfairly, especially in an underhand, deceitful manner:

Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

JackieTN wrote:

Mrs_JR47 wrote:

- ornaxus wrote:

- enni90210 wrote: I hope Crystal goes home tonight.

I'm with you not liking her, but part of me is still holding out for a Randy/Crystal showdown for F2. Oh, the lovely, lovely fireworks!

hi everyone. GO SURVIVORS! hope matty, bob and sugar are the final 3.

Sounds good to me! I think Bob could get Matty & Sugar to vote with him next week while they still have Corinne as a fourth and vote off either Crystal or Susie! That would leave Ken with only one person. Then they could vote off Corinne next. And get the other girl and Ken. Making the F3 that you have above!

ejetson2 wrote: Bingo. There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

I understand that. REally, I do. I WANT to see one of the Fang 5 win. What I don't want to see is somebody who deserves to win lose because the majority of people on the jury are suffering from a major power trip. REad without tunnel vision, you wouldn't think all these people weren't stupid.

turtlebird84 wrote:

JackieTN wrote: Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.

Getting sent to the BB site still blows my mind. Yesterday I went to reply to someone's POST and it shipped me off to the BB9 site!!! Took me three tries before it stopped doing that.AHHH, but we DO love it here, don't we???T-Bird :0)

carriekins wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Hey Carrie, what were you testing last night? My patience??? LOL

Huh? Oh lol - No, silly, - I may try sometimes, but I'd never really push the envelope, promise!I was too busy to post last night (wow this thread really was hopping)! but I wanted to get the 'alerts', so I just made a random post - A..."test post". That way I could come in and read at various time intervals today.OT: I KNOW about that TMJ! I hate going to the dentist, because the other side is the one that goes out of sync. I hear that.Carrie

ladybhawke wrote:

jenni90210 wrote: [qu - te=bandfour][quot - =papergirl914] [color=darkblue] That was probably the best

I do think they edited out some of Sugar talking and planning with Bob. The preview for next week showed them talking again and Bob showing Sugar the idol that Marcus gave him. Did anyone see that?

madam_p wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: Bing - . There's nothing whatsoever unfair about voting for someone you said you wouldn't.

Correct -- that's not called "unfair." That's called "lying." Or possibly "breaking your word."In the context of the rules of the game, that's perfectly fair. In the context of life, *shrug*.... it depends on who you are. Some people believe the ends justify the means; others don't. I think probably n'er the twain shall meet. That's just a fact of life and one of the things that makes the world go 'round.

hppygolucky wrote:

ladybhawke wrote: [q - ote=jenni90210][qu - te=bandfour][quot - =papergirl914] [color=darkblue] That was probably the best

I do think they edited out some of Sugar talking and planning with Bob. The preview for next week showed them talking again and Bob showing Sugar the idol that Marcus gave him. Did anyone see that?

jenni90210 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: I think the preview of next week's show is just about Bob covering his butt to Corinne, trying to preserve her vote for him in the final TC, should he get there. If Bob really had the other real idol, then giving it to Randy would have been a smart play. Then again, maybe Bob is the cleverest guy in the world and he told Sugar about the fake one and now he can get Sugar to join him and Corinne to blindside one of the others by playing the real idol next week.This has been one of the better seasons so far. Reinvigorating everyone's interest in the show again.

I wrote my thoughts in another post. They showed Bob talking to Sugar about the idol Marcus gave him. It could be true. It was only him and Marcus in the ocean and Marcus at one point had it and both hands underwater, maybe he got it then. It is the only smart thing. They were all so stupid to have thrown it away. I would have taken it and used it the next tribal. It least I would have been safe for one more. I think Bob knows he would have her vote anyway. He needs to find a way to make Randy think he didn't know the idol he gave him was fake. That also means he needs to keep Sugar there with him because she knows he knew it was fake and that he made it himself. I think they have a 2 person alliance that we have not seen them make. We never saw Tina and Colby and they had one so secret even Jeff didn't see it. it would have been crazy and stupid for Bob to give Randy the idol. For Anyone to give someon else an idol is crazy and stupid! Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it!

ejetson2 wrote: In Survivor, deceit is ESSENTIAL if you want to win. It's not wrong. It's not cheating. It's not taking an unfair advantage. It's playing the game. It has ZERO to do with my own character or anyone else's. Survivor isn't a reflection of real life. It's a GAME.

ejetson2 wrote: I like how some of you are thinking. Strategic and weasly. How about this? Next week, it gets revealed that Matty and Sugar have been conspiring against Ken and Crystal all along. They join up with Bob and Corinne and eliminate Ken first.

madam_p wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: In Survivor, deceit is ESSENTIAL if you want to win. It's not wrong. It's not cheating. It's not taking an unfair advantage. It's playing the game. It has ZERO to do with my own character or anyone else's. Survivor isn't a reflection of real life. It's a GAME.

I would disagree that deceit is ESSENTIAL to winning. (Witness Ethan in Africa, and Tom Westman... it's been awhile since I've watched those, but I don't recall deceit on their parts.) Also, (and this is partly what Westman did) if you're good enough to win every immunity challenge, then deceit isn't essential. Admittedly, lately it has seemed so. But I'm enough of an optimist that I keep pulling for a winner who doesn't play that card. Maybe there'll never be another, I don't know. I keep hoping. I do think that Survivor is a bit of a reflection of real life. If a player is comfortable doing something in Survivor that most people would think of as questionable in "real life," then I think people are always going to wonder a bit about trusting that person afterwards. Randy's Ponderosa video had an interesting insight when he said being in that "30-days-in-the-wilderness" situation makes good people bad, and bad people even worse. It reminded me of what is said of Alzheimer's patients -- it takes what is already your basic personality and makes it "only more so." I don't think anyone we see on Survivor is "Oh, I'm totally not like that AT ALL in real life." Yeah, you probably are, a little bit. Bandfour, thanks for the explanation about the "technicalities" of this MB. I just posted thinking I was automatically logged in (because I am on some other sites) and it went through without throwing up big red exclamation points saying "Thou Sinner! You must register first!" LOL. But it posted me as "anonymous." Then, as I say, later it disappeared. Ah well. It keeps you on your toes to always be learning new things, right? (And keeps your fingers nimble to re-type things that disappear into the ether...)

imho2007 wrote: I've read a lot of comments about Bob trying to convince Corinne that he didn't dupe them. And even the previews for next week support that. Corinne is only one vote at next TC so I don't know that I'd really care what she thinks. Is this simply to win Corinne's and Randy's votes if he makes it to F2? If I were on the jury I'd see it as a brilliant play to stay in the game, not a backstab that would cost him my vote. Bob could explain that it was either him or Randy going home so he had to do what he could to save himself. That's good game playing! (She says comfortably from her living room chair.)

ejetson2 wrote: You think that everyone on Survivor is a "whatever it takes to get me ahead" type in real life? I don't. Do you think that Ken is a bad person deep down because he has been deceitful in the game? How about Sugar? Bob? I think they realize that in order for them to have a better chance to win, they have to deceive people. I don't think any of those three would use others in that manner in real life.

mnm0002 wrote: I couldn't believe Crystal. I was reading everyone's comments here and heard her yelling and looked at the TV quickly. I was so surprised that she didn't bother to keep her comments quiet ... again quite the comic relief in the eppy.

ejetson2 wrote: Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

madam_p wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: You think that everyone on Survivor is a "whatever it takes to get me ahead" type in real life? I don't. Do you think that Ken is a bad person deep down because he has been deceitful in the game? How about Sugar? Bob? I think they realize that in order for them to have a better chance to win, they have to deceive people. I don't think any of those three would use others in that manner in real life.

I would hope not, but yes, I would always wonder a bit, if I had to have dealings with them in the future. And I wouldn't call it being a "bad person" necessarily; I'm just thinking of a level of trust. There are other ways and opportunities to "redeem" themselves perhaps. Remember the old joke supposedly attributed to Winston Churchill or somebody, I think it was? He was talking to this high-society lady at dinner, and asked would she sleep with someone for $1000? NO! of course not! Would you sleep with someone for $10,000? NO! Certainly not! How about $1,000,000? Well, of course, a million is a lot of money... So, would you sleep with me for $10? NO! What kind of woman do you think I am? And his reply was "I thought we'd already established that... now we're just haggling over price." Do you see what I mean?

philsfan425 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

ejetson2 wrote: Would you play a game where you deceive people for a chance to win $10? Probably not. It's not worth the effort. But, would you play a game where you deceive people for a chance to win $1,000,000? Damn straight I would. And, when it's over, win or lose, I'd still be me.If the same thing was proposed in a real life situation, then the answer is completely different.

JackieTN wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: And, there is no such thing as a backstab in Survivor.

Yes there is. The definition doesn't change.

No, backstab would be applicable if Survivor was a team game. Someone could turn against another player that they were teamed with to bring in someone else instead, and you could call that a backstab.However, Survivor isn't a team game. It's every person for themselves. There are 18 alliances of one player each. So, unless you turn on yourself, there is no backstabbing.Sugar didn't backstab Ace. She blindsided him. HUGE difference. Backstabbing is a negative thing. Blindsiding isn't. Blindsiding is a strategy used by just about every successful Survivor contestant in history. It's almost a necessity.Remember, every person for themselves. Whatever gets you closer to winning is good strategy.

What she did was not backstabing. But it exists in the game and if you can't see it....well maybe you should read the dictionary again.

Encarta Dictionary: English (2007)Back stab (transitive verb)1. Betray somebodyTo do or say something harmful to somebody after pretending to be a friendBlind side (transitive verb)1. Attack from blind sideTo attack somebody suddenly and physically by hitting the person on a side where his or her peripheral vision is obstructed.2. Attack when vulnerable To take somebody unawares suddenly, with detrimental results to that person.To me it sounds like six of one and a half a dozen of the other!1. Did Bob or Sugar pretend to be Randy’s friend? Then they backstabbed Randy! Therefore; the next time you sit down with your friends and play poker if you ‘Bluff’ them out of a pot you have just backstabbed them! And I for one never saw a Bob/Randy friendship or a Sugar/Randy friendship developing! Did anyone else see this? What I saw was Randy trying to take Bob’s place in the Onion alliance!

JackieTN wrote: By the definitions above I would say that Bob and Sugar are guilty of pulling a joke on Randy nothing more! Therefore, everybody at TC and at home got a good belly laugh!Jackie

Everyone, that is to say, except Randy! LOL!

toowimpy wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

Heehee! Um, Phils, that was "stealing", not "cheating". Those girls should have brought their sandals into the village with them....there were pirates around, remember! (That was Pearl Islands, the season right before All-Stars...)

reyb99 wrote:

carriekins wrote: Band - I was reading your Recap Summary - funny and enlightening as usual!I (think) the last time (and I could be wrong) they held the auction and had that type of clue, was in Cook Islands. Yul gave his ally, Becky, his cash to bid on it. (To have an 'advantage' in the Immunity Challenge). Seems there was another time, I just can't remember... - from recently.C'kins

Danni from Survivor: Guatemala? She won the IC advantage which allowed her to swap places with another player during the IC.

philsfan425 wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

carriekins wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [q - ote=ejetson2]Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

JackieTN wrote:

turtlebird84 wrote: [qu - te=JackieTN][ - olor=red] Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.[/color]

Getting sent to the BB site still blows my mind. Yesterday I went to reply to someone's POST and it shipped me off to the BB9 site!!! Took me three tries before it stopped doing that.AHHH, but we DO love it here, don't we???T-Bird :0)

I just hope they get everything running smoothly by next season!

ejetson2 wrote:

carriekins wrote: [quot - =philsfan425][q - ote=ejetson2]Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

madam_p wrote: Is there a thread somewhere where they do the funny captions for screencaps from the shows? I've looked but haven't seen one. Those were hilarious in past years -- I always enjoyed reading those. It's a pity CBS quit doing their "sponsored" one. Funny you mentioned "Guiding Light," bandfour. When I logged in the other day, at some point in the proceedings it instructed me to "Go to the 'Guiding Light' site in order to log in" or something similar. I thought that was odd. I was ON the Survivor site, and it was telling me that to log onto the Survivor MB I had to go to the "Guiding Light" site? Weird...

carriekins wrote: There's a big difference between stealing and cheating, IMO. I'm still not sure how Rupert got away with that one, lol. I thought stealing was a no-no - and it should be, as far as I'm concerned.

toowimpy wrote: C: ...when did Bob become part of the Onion alliance?! TW: as King, Marcus felt comfortable lining up the troops, but I don't think Bob's ever thought an F5 position was anything to write home to his wife about, and he's stayed alert and receptive if not slightly passive (up til recently), but isn't that typical post-merge?...everybody starts to moving and shaking, even the laid-back types.Then Marcus said it..."we've replaced Bob with Randy"... Maybe the thinking was "Randy's alienated half his tribe already, we can help him alienate the rest of them, and he can't possibly win, and none of us really want to have to sit with Bob in the finals", anyway. C: It seems to me that when Marcus was "blindsided" he blamed Bob partially because Bob didn't go to Susie on his behalf... (Although Marcus wouldn't promise Susie F-3 and sealed his own fate..duh)-- TW: Marcus fell into the trap of complacency, didn't he? I really do think he overestimated the loyalty that can be bought just by including someone, without something more solid to back it up! C: Bob, to me, after finding out that he was not a member of the Original Onion Alliance from Corinne, - has been a man on his own. He's suddenly very necessary when the tribes 'switch'. I think they were calling him one of the "Kota 6", but he was NEVER in the Onion Alliance. I hope he remembered that. TW: I think Bob has known from Day 1 he had no stature in the alliance he didn't know was supposed to taste like onions, but I don't think he feels at all bitter about it. He's never had disrespectful (as shown) interactions with anyone, and probably feels confident of most if not all original Kota votes...In the beginning, in the Garden of Eden, Sugar and Ace were getting exclusive from the start, Paloma and Kelly did as well, and the little hardbodies club was probably a little in-clubby, until the moment when Corinne popped out the bushes and told Bob they had four votes ready to go, just say where to aim, Bob, and that's the story. Far from thinking, "ooh, lucky me, someone wants me in their alliance!" Bob knew the deal and the info was good and not a blindside, luckily for him. Once mixed, whichever part of the onion who ended up on Bob's tribe might think it's a given that Bob's with them, and he's had no reason to do anything but go Kota. And he shouldn't change now, cuz him against a Fang3 person or person would get all of Kota's vote, I bet. Nice to see you, sweet lady. Have you checked your email today? ToooTOOOOmuch time away from you...

toowimpy wrote:

c'k - ns wrote: Hi Phils,That was Pearl Islands.. I liked that Season. ITA with your post... There's a big difference between stealing and cheating, IMO. I'm still not sure how Rupert got away with that one, lol. I thought stealing was a no-no - and it should be, as far as I'm concerned.C-kid

And here it looks like Carrie's saying that stealing IS cheating, or at least, that it should be considered cheating...that's because while the Canadienne is fiery Irish and all-determined, she also has scruples...watch out for that, Lady C, should they finally drop the rule (you know the one) and cast you! Always be remembering those with NO scruples! When you hold a match under the invible ink at the top of the rules for the game for any season, I think you'll read:"Anything not listed as not allowed is allowed"... ay, ay, ai!

Lots of things I wouldn't do, Lady Twinq, and I think the same could be applied to almost any of us. But then, there's lots of things I WOULD DO! haha.We all have scruples, good word! Stealing, and hitting another, causing bodily harm to another castaway, etc. - we all have those Invisible Lines. Well, there are GREY AREAS, TW. I don't think I equated stealing=cheating overall, but that's a personal decision for me, one I couldn't do for the most part. I.E. - Just because so-and-so did something doesn't mean I'd do it. But then, In most cases on Survivor, Stealing IS a nono, so I'm comfortable with that one.There are only 2 Rules in Survivor set in stone. 1) No physical violence, or hitting another Survivor deliberately - Johnny F. tried to use that one, boy... and 2) no conspiring to share the prize monies. Now if JT would 'pop his head out of the bushes', lol - We discussed it once, it was in one of the books... - Or I could find that source, I'd post it. Jeff himself said it on a D.V.D. (Vanuatu, perhaps)? - I'll look it up, promise.Other than that, watch out! It's a GAME. May the best Man/Woman/American/Canadienne WIN! C'kins

bandfour wrote:

carriekins wrote: Oh and another Fashion Statement: Corinne wears the same icky purple? tank top throughout the eppy, but in a confessional before the challenge, she's wearing what looks to be a beautiful two-piece red & white dress or Sarong. I thought they didn't have any other clothes with them?C'kins

C'kins, I, like you, found the whole plan that Randy and Corrine had around Bob having and giving Randy the HII very illogical and slow to develop. Talk about long shots. Corrine and the others that went to the native village recieved bright red clothing as part of their reward. Iwould have to watch again to see if this is what Corrine was wearing. *BAND*

rhokita wrote: carriekins,Check out the Sugar video clip at the CBS website. Despite the fact that Matty betrayed Ken by telling Sugar that Ace wasn't out to get her (and Ken pretty much lied about it), Sugar still liked Ken and wanted Ken to win it all. Apparently, Ken asked Sugar to join his alliance with Crystal, and she said yes. Later, Matty and Susie asked Sugar to join their alliance, and Sugar said that she was going to keep her word to Ken and stick with their alliance. In the last episode, you could see that there's a connection between Sugar and Ken. At the auction she said that Ken DESERVED what he won (in the video, she said that Ken deserved to win it all), and if Ken had won the bubble bath--she would take a bath with him. So the "power plays" that we may be seeing in the coming weeks will be Ken, Crystal and Sugar taking out Matty first and then Susie. I wouldn't be surprised if Ken, Crystal and Sugar are in the Final 3.rhokita

iGoBefore wrote: To the best of my knowledge, the contestants know that there is only one HII in play at a time as part of the 'rules of the game'. So even though Bob told Sugar he went around the pond twice and couldn't find it (as if he just COULDN'T find it), I have to think that in the back of his mind, he has suspicions that Sugar has it. She certainly had plenty of time to look.

ejetson2 wrote:

Deceit has nothing to do with fair. They are not hand in hand. Meaning it can still be deceitful and fair.

You're starting to understand.

Does not mean that it's right and therefore those that are upset can be upset rightfully so.

Sure, the other players can be upset. It has nothing to do with "rights", but being upset that they got outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted is something to be upset about. It's part of the game.

Trying to down play deceit as wrong or as not in existence in the game is true telling of your own character.

In Survivor, deceit is ESSENTIAL if you want to win. It's not wrong. It's not cheating. It's not taking an unfair advantage. It's playing the game. It has ZERO to do with my own character or anyone else's. Survivor isn't a reflection of real life. It's a GAME. Holier than thou attitudes like yours wouldn't last long at all.

toowimpy wrote:

c'kins wrote: There are only 2 Rules in Survivor set in stone. 1) No physical violence, or hitting another Survivor deliberately - Johnny F. tried to use that one, boy... and 2) no conspiring to share the prize monies. Now if JT would 'pop his head out of the bushes', lol - We discussed it once, it was in one of the books... - Or I could find that source, I'd post it. Jeff himself said it on a D.V.D. (Vanuatu, perhaps)? - I'll look it up, promise.Other than that, watch out! It's a GAME. May the best Man/Woman/American/Canadienne WIN! C'kins

I have a long-ago memory of Jeff saying something to that effect in an interview.Of course, we all know there are probably a list of "guidelines" as long as your leg (and for you, that's quite a span, right?) telling what you can and can't do while and after you are a person being filmed playing the game of Survivor for a TV show called Survivor! Complete with plenty of "inperpetuity"'s and "shall be forfeit"s, I'm sure...hronk!Oh, no, now you've got me checking bushes for JT, doing a dog's work! Wishful thinking I guess. hey, jt, it's a shoutout...was that TooWimpy?

Was reading your e-mail..lol, Sorry, I owe a couple of people a return.. and Hppy an addy! Thanks for the #'s.. - Alright re: those 2 rules - Thanks, I KNOW those 2 rules are pretty firm, I could back them up, I'd just have to do my 'research'...- I'm sure they're somewhere in the 998 page Novel of a contract you have to sign... BTW - NO way is JT Randy.. Of course, ahem.. well, he was also around too close for that one.. - BUT -I was going to post this as well - Don't know if you've met Santa (Rodney) but no way in H-E-Double Hockeysticks!!! is Rodney err - Randy Bailey! That guy used to come in the Grill and was polite, nice to the women, funny, and genuinely happy-go-lucky!! - (Not our hppy, another happy)! so I think CD was just a pulling our legs on that one. Just saw Randy B. in an interview on ET and boy is he mad at............................ . SUGAR! Of course you knew it was going to be a woman. Maybe Survivor could pay for some therapy for good ole Randy?! They are after all, a 'family'. What family doesn't help their brother, even the nasty one?! lol. O.K. I'm posting nutty now.. C'kins

ejetson2 wrote: Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

toowimpy wrote: What Rupert could truthfully say was that he just found them on the other tribe's raft , and stole them, with glee, and disposed of the evidence by selling them in the village to get a little more cash to spend.Otherwise, I'm so there with you...except, if Rupert DID find shoes by the side of the street , and took and sold them, and they happened to end up belonging, not to the other tribe but to some ladies of the village (making THEM the victims of theft), would that be okay in the game? Rupert was getting right into the spirit of the game, if you ask me! ...there are pitfalls and advantages dotting the landscape of the game, what can you use before you get bruised?...Welcome, by the way! I'm enjoying your posts... TW

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- Deceit has nothing to do with fair. They are not hand in hand. Meaning it can still be deceitful and fair.

You're starting to understand.

Does not mean that it's right and therefore those that are upset can be upset rightfully so.

Sure, the other players can be upset. It has nothing to do with "rights", but being upset that they got outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted is something to be upset about. It's part of the game.

Trying to down play deceit as wrong or as not in existence in the game is true telling of your own character.

In Survivor, deceit is ESSENTIAL if you want to win. It's not wrong. It's not cheating. It's not taking an unfair advantage. It's playing the game. It has ZERO to do with my own character or anyone else's. Survivor isn't a reflection of real life. It's a GAME. Holier than thou attitudes like yours wouldn't last long at all.

Good thing I don't have that problem.And backstab is deceit. that's the point. Unfair is subjective. Backstab and deceit are not.Don't get upset over the internet...for that's why you wouldn't last long on the game, acting like Randy and that only one way is the right way. When the majority playing the game have used the word backstab then it's a part of the game no matter what it is you think. I'm going off of those who have experienced it not those who think they know the dictionary forwards and backwards.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

And that is your true colors. Not the fake one you persist right now. You are your true self when it comes to Survivor....because in situations that you have to fend for yourself or for a million dollars true colors come out.What Sugar and Bob did was not lying in the sense of vile as much as it was playing along with what Randy already believed and wanted to believe. They used what he thought true to their advantage. Vile lying is saying your grandmother died. Vile lying is telling someone you won't vote them off if they do this and promise or swear on a dead person that you would.And people use people all day long. It just matters how grateful you are for what you got out of the relationship or do you use people like tissues. No one gets anywhere without someone's help.

hppygolucky wrote:

hgheith wrote: hello all, I'm new to the forum, didn't know one existed! Can't wait to see what happens tonight, at this point the I'm only rooting for bob & sugar, everyone else has changed or is gone!we'll see...

Welcome hgheith!!!! I was new last season, and found that these are a great bunch of people here on the Survivor boards!!! Just play nice, and enjoy the company, and you'll have a great time!!!!It's Saturday evening, and I just FINALLY got the chance to watch Epi 10 online...I had an unavoidable commitment on Thursday...my first this season of having to watch online. I couldn't come on the boards unless I wanted to risk finding out what happened...and I like to not know when I'm watching..it's more fun that way!!So, 20+ pages to read and catch up on...wow was that hysterical to watch Randy get duped....glad he's gone!!!Smiles,Hppy

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

givcheds wrote: I must have missed the bit where Sugar informed Ace that they were no longer in an alliance, or gave him any indication that her prefrences had shifted. She backstabbed him.

madam_p wrote: [Thanks!I guess I would say (and this is just my personal 'scruples' as Carrie said - good word!) that if there are shoes sitting on a public street all by their onesies with nobody around, then taking them would not be considered stealing. Going onto a raft... that sort of equates with going into someone's unlocked car... I think I would consider that stealing. If the rules of Survivor define stealing as going into someone's personal backpack, then the raft thing would be 'technically' fair game, but as for me personally, I wouldn't do it.

carriekins wrote:

madam_p wrote: [Thank - !I guess I would say (and this is just my personal 'scruples' as Carrie said - good word!) that if there are shoes sitting on a public street all by their onesies with nobody around, then taking them would not be considered stealing. Going onto a raft... that sort of equates with going into someone's unlocked car... I think I would consider that stealing. If the rules of Survivor define stealing as going into someone's personal backpack, then the raft thing would be 'technically' fair game, but as for me personally, I wouldn't do it.

Hi Madame P,Thanks. I'm so glad somebody actually understood what I was getting at in that post! I couldn't do that either.Carrie

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

j_jammer wrote:

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

He Yeah, it's about how you are willing to act to get something and it's more you than you are when you go to day. People are more themselves when they lose food and comfort.

rhokita wrote: I think the only reason Matty wanted to vote out Bob initially was because he wanted to save Randy in case they formed an alliance together. (But then eventually found it hopeless due to Randy's ill behavior.) I don't think Matty wanted to vote out Bob for the reasons he told his alliance, such as Bob being more of a threat, etc. Even if those reasons were true--I don't think they were on Matty's mind. Anyway, I agree with Band that I don't think there was much strategy involved with Matty wanting Bob out. Matty was looking out for himself--as usual. This behavior will be Matty's downfall and will probably cost him the game.

j_jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

There's that holier than thou attitude again.You must be perfect. Congratulations. You and Jesus are the only two.

fornaxus wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- adam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

He Yeah, it's about how you are willing to act to get something and it's more you than you are when you go to day. People are more themselves when they lose food and comfort.

Funny. That's exactly what Randy said in the Ponderosa video.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

There's that holier than thou attitude again.You must be perfect. Congratulations. You and Jesus are the only two.

You don't get it.What you do to get a million dollars is what you're willing to pay to get it. You don't do what you think is wrong...because if you think it's wrong you wouldn't be doing it. Justification or not.I didn't say what I would and wouldn't do. Meaning your statement is a guess and not a fact.

toowimpy wrote: Hppy, I had to laugh when I read how you don't want to come on the board until you watch the eppy, but you can't do that in "real time"...I was doing that last season, and by the time I could come on it was an eppy thread five miles long!

toowimpy wrote: You jogged my mind with something you said... What if, while Corinne plays the ROLE of being in a swing position between Mat,Sug,and Bob, and the strong Fang 3, what really happens is she's helping the Fang 3 blindside Sugar? ...which rather than burning a bridge between Matty and Kenny may bring them closer together, because they CANNOT let Corinne or Bob get to F3 with most of the Onion sitting on the jury, No WAY! So, Kenny will know it's gotta go: blindside Sugar, get rid of Corinne and Bob, make the run to the finals as the TODD ofGabon, all the way, winning ALL the votes for a game well-played...Regardless, I DO think if anyone wants to relieve Sugar of the idol, they're gonna need to take HER out with it, no "let's flush it out" stuff--she's just a bit too wily! YET, Jeff's words haunt me---what about the stupidest-ever use of the idol??? C'mon, out with it, CBS! TW

ejetson2 wrote:

carriekins wrote: [quot - =madam_p][Thank - !I guess I would say (and this is just my personal 'scruples' as Carrie said - good word!) that if there are shoes sitting on a public street all by their onesies with nobody around, then taking them would not be considered stealing. Going onto a raft... that sort of equates with going into someone's unlocked car... I think I would consider that stealing. If the rules of Survivor define stealing as going into someone's personal backpack, then the raft thing would be 'technically' fair game, but as for me personally, I wouldn't do it.

Hi Madame P,Thanks. I'm so glad somebody actually understood what I was getting at in that post! I couldn't do that either.Carrie

In another of those "ends justifies the means" things, doing that one thing endeared Rupert to the entire Survivor watching world and ended up getting him voted the winner in the "favorite survivor" contest and won him some money on the all-stars finale show.

In your opinion? lol. See, IMO, it was Rupert's entire personality, shown throughout the 2 seasons - Amazon AND All-Stars that did it for him, and many moments, not just that one act. Funnily enough, at first I didn't like Rupert. I thought he yelled too much. And then I kept watching... giving him the benefit of the doubt. I felt he was really sweet towards the end of Pearl, but had really stepped up his game, also in All-Stars.

ejetson2 wrote: Any word on when that "IGNORE" feature is coming?

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- _jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

There's that holier than thou attitude again.You must be perfect. Congratulations. You and Jesus are the only two.

You don't get it.What you do to get a million dollars is what you're willing to pay to get it. You don't do what you think is wrong...because if you think it's wrong you wouldn't be doing it. Justification or not.I didn't say what I would and wouldn't do. Meaning your statement is a guess and not a fact.

IT'S A GAME! IT'S NOT WRONG TO DECEIVE PEOPLE IN THE GAME! WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD? Damn, it's like I'm arguing with a rock. A perfect, holy rock.

madam_p wrote: You're welcome, ejetson2. Me, too. (Dratted edits... Cross-posting...)I see what you mean about the 'world is flat' thing. I guess I would look at that as an opinion which happens to be about a fact. (A medical opinion would fall into that category, too, I'd say.) An opinion over whether something is cool or uncool behavior is not exactly a fact; it's subjective depending on who it is. Does that make sense? It's a really weird area of semantics, I guess.Anyway, I think we've pretty much hashed this one to death. It's been fun! I'm going to bed. Nighty-night!(Except -- I checked out the Fun Photos, but I didn't see a Freeze-Frame type thing... that's what I was looking for really but I couldn't remember the name of it. Is there one of those going on anywhere? Or should I just keep looking in Fun Photos? There were 70-some pages and they were loading soooo slooowwwlllyyyy for me... Thanks, though!) Edit again: Carrie! I hear you!

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: Any word on when that "IGNORE" feature is coming?

Suppose that being liked and kind to everyone was just a farce....considering what you will sell yourself for.

madam_p wrote: He found them on a raft? Really? I swear I remember him gathering them up while he was sitting on a curb... but hey, my memory is definitely not what it used to be! I thought I remembered him sitting there putting his own shoes back on after having them off to walk ashore, and then the other team members dropped their shoes beside him and ran off to do their shopping, and he just looked around and was like "Hmm... looks like they left their shoes! They must not want them. I bet I can sell them and get more money for our shopping." But I could've totally made that up in my brain -- I do that sometimes.

ejetson2 wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

- jetson2 wrote: Any word on when that "IGNORE" feature is coming?

Suppose that being liked and kind to everyone was just a farce....considering what you will sell yourself for.

You don't read well. I said just about everyone. There are some who don't deserve it.Have a nice, perfect, holy life.

carriekins wrote: Hey hppy,So that's where you've been. Funny, on the rare occasions I too miss an eppy, I do the same thing. I suffer! I wait until either 11:00 P.M. E.S.T. for my '2nd chance' timeshifting channel, OR I have to wait until the following day when I can catch it on YouTube or pay per view. .99 cents here/eppy, but when you watch and RE-watch, that adds up, especially with Christmas coming...But I hear ya! No way do I come on the boards and peek, that's like ruining MY weekly gift to me - , or my weekly event. Like a good book, I don't want to catch a 'glimpse' of the ending before I read the whole thing, so I know how that goes.And I will send you that info. I'm so sorry, been busy myself. But I Do keep my word...C'kins

carriekins wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [q - ote=ejetson2]Let me put it another way.I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy. I've never used anyone for my own personal gain in my life. I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty good job and I've been able to help others when they need it. I get along with just about everyone I've ever met, with very few exceptions.However, if you put me into the game of Survivor for a chance at a million dollars, and I'm going to make Rob Cesternino look like an amateur strategist. I'm gonna lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. to make sure that I make it one more week. And, if I got voted out, I'd stand up and shake everyone's hand, say "Nicely done. You got me." and wish them all the best of luck. And, when I go back to my real life, I'm going to be the same lovable me that I am today.

I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

toowimpy wrote:

phils wrote: I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

toowimpy wrote: Heehee! Um, Phils, that was "stealing", not "cheating". Those girls should have brought their sandals into the village with them....there were pirates around, remember! (That was Pearl Islands, the season right before All-Stars...)

philsfan425 wrote: Thanks TW for the help with identifying the season as Pearl Islands. But I'm unclear about the "Um, Phils, that was "stealing", not "cheating"." I said Rupert stole the goods, I didn't say he "cheated".

Haha! My bad! I DO like to help out around here by providing a "pratfall" or two...i did that on purpose!! Swear!! AT ME! Somehow i got it in my mind that in that case you considered stealing to be cheating...T-Dub

madbird11 wrote: My scenario follows;After the bottle's thrown in, Marcus pockets the idol. Immediatly apon returning to camp, Marcus pulls Bob aside and says to him, "If one of us goes down, grab this." Obviously Marcus didn't want to trust Suzie with this info. Marcus gets eliminated. Immediatly the next day, Bob escapes before the reward challange and grabs the idol. He pockets it, because he knows his back is against the wall. Bob then makes the fake idol at exile, hoping to bluff someone into thinking he has the real deal.

ejetson2 wrote: There we go again. It's not "screwing them over". It's strategic game play. The majority of the players of the game realize that and don't let it affect their jury vote. There are a few who don't understand, but that doesn't mean they were "screwed over" or "backstabbed". It means they probably weren't smart enough to win the game anyway. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

desertbro wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: There we go again. It's not "screwing them over". It's strategic game play. The majority of the players of the game realize that and don't let it affect their jury vote. There are a few who don't understand, but that doesn't mean they were "screwed over" or "backstabbed". It means they probably weren't smart enough to win the game anyway. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

The jury members can vote any way they damn well please. Just as in TC, they can vote to help people they like; they can vote based on who is "deserving"; they can vote based on Best Strategic Manuever; they can vote based on which way the junk in hanging in their drawrs.This is why understanding the social game is critical and why Todd was such a masterful winner. At TC he gave answers that stroked the egos and sensibilities of the people who questioned him. You can LIE to the jury. You can LIE to Jeff from Day 1 to Day 39 and even LIE again during the reunion show. You job is to dissect the preferences of the jury and play them like a flute.If they want to vote out of anger, spite, revenge, sabotage, hissy fits or a splinter on the bench seat, that's just tough tittie, and it's all FAIR.

hppygolucky wrote: Okay, now this might be a stretch....but...what if Bob and Sugar are talking because they're concocting a "story" that others might believe so that Bob can create ANOTHER FAKE IDOL, in order to try it a second time....noone would seriously think there'd be two fake idols....

hppygolucky wrote:

JackieTN wrote: [quo - e=Mrs_JR47]

- ornaxus wrote:

- enni90210 wrote: I hope Crystal goes home tonight.

I'm with you not liking her, but part of me is still holding out for a Randy/Crystal showdown for F2. Oh, the lovely, lovely fireworks!

hi everyone. GO SURVIVORS! hope matty, bob and sugar are the final 3.

Sounds good to me! I think Bob could get Matty & Sugar to vote with him next week while they still have Corinne as a fourth and vote off either Crystal or Susie! That would leave Ken with only one person. Then they could vote off Corinne next. And get the other girl and Ken. Making the F3 that you have above!

So how do you feel now???

bandfour wrote:

turtlebird84 wrote:

JackieTN wrote: Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.

Getting sent to the BB site still blows my mind. Yesterday I went to reply to someone's POST and it shipped me off to the BB9 site!!! Took me three tries before it stopped doing that.AHHH, but we DO love it here, don't we???T-Bird :0)

T-Bird, and Jackie, I have gotten sent to some of the soap opera sites "Young and the Restless" for sure and I think "Guiding Light" (is that a CBS soap?). There must be something going on in the memory of the CBS web-server. *BAND*

Band, are you telling me that a whole network has a worse memory than mine?

ejetson2 [/quote wrote:

I agree. I think Ken is going to be in trouble over the next couple of episodes. Everyone realizes that he is the main strategic threat. Ken will have to do some master strategerification (as our almost gone President would say) to make it to the final three.This is one season where I think ANY of the remaining people could win.Ken needs to get Sugar's idol out of play next week, in my opinion. I don't know how, exactly, but she's his biggest threat. Maybe if he goes to Bob and Corinne with the plan of giving them a chance to stay. Convince Bob and Corinne to vote for Sugar and have two of the group of (Ken, Crystal, Matty, Susie) vote for Sugar too. Convince Sugar to vote for Corinne (she probably wouldn't vote Bob right now) and the other two in the group vote with her for Corinne. If Sugar plays the idol, Corinne is out, but if not, then they get to stay another 3 days to work on getting Matty or Susie to join them. They might go for it because they may see it as their only hope.

Sorry, to burst any bubbles here! But Corinne is still hot & bothered over Susie's betrayal in voting Marcus off. She wants revenge any way she can get it. She also has no love lost with Crystal & Ken for the same reason.Sugar is smart enough to know that she does not stand a chance to get to F3 with Ken, Crystal and Susie. Now later on is up in the air. It depends on if Sugar, Bob and Matty can get along and stay tight, but first she has to get Matty to vote her way this next Eppy.Matty is the wild card for the next Eppy IMO. Will he be smart enough to see that he has NO chance of F3 with Ken, Susie and Crystal intact? He is close to Ken and Sugar. Which way will he go. The smart move for Bob, Sugar & Corinne right now is to go after Susie or Crystal. I would choose Crystal over Susie as Ken is tighter with her. But it would depend on who if any of those 3 might win II.

]]> http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/401945.page http://upnpress.com/forum/posts/preList/27785/401945.page GMT [quote=carriekins Encarta Dictionary: English (2007)Back stab (transitive verb)1. Betray somebodyTo do or say something harmful to somebody after pretending to be a friendBlind side (transitive verb)1. Attack from blind sideTo attack somebody suddenly and physically by hitting the person on a side where his or her peripheral vision is obstructed.2. Attack when vulnerable To take somebody unawares suddenly, with detrimental results to that person.To me it sounds like six of one and a half a dozen of the other!1. Did Bob or Sugar pretend to be Randy’s friend? Then they backstabbed Randy! Therefore; the next time you sit down with your friends and play poker if you ‘Bluff’ them out of a pot you have just backstabbed them! And I for one never saw a Bob/Randy friendship or a Sugar/Randy friendship developing! Did anyone else see this? What I saw was Randy trying to take Bob’s place in the Onion alliance!

JackieTN wrote: By the definitions above I would say that Bob and Sugar are guilty of pulling a joke on Randy nothing more! Therefore, everybody at TC and at home got a good belly laugh!Jackie

Everyone, that is to say, except Randy! LOL!

Yep, but I don't think Randy has a great sense of humor in the first place! Even the two that he was 'Closest' to laugh their butts off!

carriekins wrote:

JackieTN wrote: [quot - =turtlebird84][qu - te=JackieTN][ - olor=red] Of course "In the begining" (and every once & awhile now) we get sent to the Big Brother Site for some reason.[/color]

Getting sent to the BB site still blows my mind. Yesterday I went to reply to someone's POST and it shipped me off to the BB9 site!!! Took me three tries before it stopped doing that.AHHH, but we DO love it here, don't we???T-Bird :0)

I just hope they get everything running smoothly by next season!

Nah, Carrie, I knew you wouldn't really get mad! i just want to explain what was happening here! Something I haven't seen before IP??? Contact my server which of course just like on the comercial says closes at 5 pm on Friday and doesn't open again until Monday!I can get You Tube for some reason! So that is where I'm watching the clips. But they didn't have part 2 of Randy at the Ponderosa! BTW what kind of accent does Charlie have? The way he pronounced Ponderosa was weird enough to have Pa, Adam, Ha'se, Little Joe and Hopsing turning over in their graves! I think the Commercials at the beginning of the clips here on CBS are messing me up! As that seems to be the only difference! maybe all the protections on the computer? Spam, virus, etc.?jackie

carriekins wrote:

bandfour wrote: [quot - =carriekins] Oh and another Fashion Statement: Corinne wears the same icky purple? tank top throughout the eppy, but in a confessional before the challenge, she's wearing what looks to be a beautiful two-piece red & white dress or Sarong. I thought they didn't have any other clothes with them?C'kins

C'kins, I, like you, found the whole plan that Randy and Corrine had around Bob having and giving Randy the HII very illogical and slow to develop. Talk about long shots. Corrine and the others that went to the native village recieved bright red clothing as part of their reward. Iwould have to watch again to see if this is what Corrine was wearing. *BAND*

You know the mouth of the south! I really do try & read everyone's posts which is why I'm always behind! Even when I don't know what they are talking about (some of the past seasons)! But don't worry with my memory I will forget what has been said by the time I can watch them!

ejetson2 wrote:

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

Maybe so. If so, I apologize. I disagree, wholeheartedly, but I apologize. There is no way that I would do those things in real life. Never have. Never will. But in a game for a million bucks, real life takes a seat on the sidelines for 39 days. (That is assuming I'd win, since I'd lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. ) Thank you for putting it a way that isn't "holier than thou", which irritates the hell out of me. Oh, and 2+2=7 was a bad example. This is better. There was a time when it was the majority opinion that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Those were opinions, and they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong.

hppygolucky wrote:

carriekins wrote: - ey hppy,So that's where you've been. Funny, on the rare occasions I too miss an eppy, I do the same thing. I suffer! I wait until either 11:00 P.M. E.S.T. for my '2nd chance' timeshifting channel, OR I have to wait until the following day when I can catch it on YouTube or pay per view. .99 cents here/eppy, but when you watch and RE-watch, that adds up, especially with Christmas coming...But I hear ya! No way do I come on the boards and peek, that's like ruining MY weekly gift to me - , or my weekly event. Like a good book, I don't want to catch a 'glimpse' of the ending before I read the whole thing, so I know how that goes.And I will send you that info. I'm so sorry, been busy myself. But I Do keep my word...C'kins

That's okay, my friend....cuz (you'll laugh at this...!!) but I haven't even checked my email yet....'cuz I was too paranoid that either you or jackie or someone might email me with a huge "Thank God Randy's Gone" or something equally spoiling in a subject line....so better to be safe than sorry...PLUS (lol), I figured if you and I got IM'ing I'd NEVER get caught up on the MBs.....so I'm heading over to my Inbox very soon, as I'm almost caught up here! (wow, has everyone been prolific posters this week!!!!) I hope the addy is there...I'm on pins and needles!!!!!!!!Smiles,Hppy

Hppy,There is no way I would E you something like that, until I see that you have watched the show. I haven't E'd Carrie anything either until I see her on the MB. And the most telling thing has been vote results who voted for whom.I know there are alot of west coasters but I wouldn't E them either. But to me the MB is fair game! And I will be on every commercial. JackiePS: I even told my family Thursday maybe Thanksgiving to them but it is still Survivor Day to me! So I will probably here all by myself this next Survivor Day!

bandfour wrote: I just watched the video where Kenny talks about his strategy during the auction. He only wanted to spend his money if it was worthwhile and didn't take something away from one of his alliance. Then he said he would have the money to spend on something later. Maybe I am being thick-headed, but do they get to keep the money remaining? I thought I remembered from previous years that they were given "Survivor Bucks" which were only of course only good on Survivor. During this auction Jeff specifically mentions that they are given U.S. dollars. Do they get to keep the money that they had remaining? Is this why Crystal did not participate in the bidding for any of the items? She wanted to keep the money. (or was it just the editing?) *BAND*

JackieTN wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- adam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

Maybe so. If so, I apologize. I disagree, wholeheartedly, but I apologize. There is no way that I would do those things in real life. Never have. Never will. But in a game for a million bucks, real life takes a seat on the sidelines for 39 days. (That is assuming I'd win, since I'd lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. ) Thank you for putting it a way that isn't "holier than thou", which irritates the hell out of me. Oh, and 2+2=7 was a bad example. This is better. There was a time when it was the majority opinion that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Those were opinions, and they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong.

EJ,Been reading this thread and IMO, everyone is entitled to their opinion until proven wrong. Saying that those who apply to 'Survivor' and don't exspect to be voted off for any reason are living in 'LaLa' land. This is a game after all with only ONE winner! Who hasn't laughed at a loved one when they land on "Boardwalk" with a motel? No one should go away thinking they have been backstabbed or blindsided it is just part of the game. It may be called a "Reality" show but we all know that most all of the cast will do and say things that they wouldn't even think in their of in their "REAL" life.We try not to decieve people in real life but we all do it! Little things like a woman putting on make up could be considered decieving. Or a man or woman having contact lens! Or seeing a cop and slowing down! how about a customer that takes just one grape to see how sweet it is? Is this stealing, decieving the store? No body is perfect therefore we all decieve as part of human nature.We try not too decieve that makes us civilized. But the rules change in a "Game". Look at all the professional Sports! They are "Games" sometimes the guy with the ball has to decide at the last minute to run instead of throwing! he is not decieving he is playing the "Game".IMHOJackie

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

philsfan425 wrote: Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island.

ejetson2 wrote: IT'S A GAME! IT'S NOT WRONG TO DECEIVE PEOPLE IN THE GAME! WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD?

philsfan425 wrote: Madam, I think you asked about official rules for Survivor, well i found this on an MSN site ,if you google "Survivor rules" there are other sites liste as well as this one.: The Official Rules below are specifically under the Copyright of CBS and the Producers of Survivor. We have not altered them in any way.The rules of Survivor are designed not only to uphold the premise of the show, but to promote the safety of all castaways and crewmembers. The prize for following all these rules and making it to the very end is one million dollars, but consolation cash prizes will be awarded to the other castaways based on their order of elimination. The consolation prizes will range from approximately $2500 for the first castaway ousted from the island to approximately $100,000 for the runner-up to the final Survivor.Several actions can result in immediate elimination from the contest and expulsion from the island, as well as forfeiture of any prize. If you were one of the survivors, you wouldn't want to do any of these things:Try to conspire to share the prize. The million dollars may be won by one and only one individual. Survivors are prohibited from sharing or making any agreement to share all or any portion of the prize. ----------------------------- -------- - ------------------------------ --------- - --Enter the production area. The area designated for the production crew is strictly off-limits to the survivors. ----------------------------- -------- - ------------------------------ --------- - --Break the law. Even though they are stranded on a remote tropical island, the castaways will still be held to U.S. law, as well as local law. Any breach of those laws is against the contest rules. ----------------------------- -------- - ------------------------------ --------- - --Miss an Island Council or a Challenge. Island Council meetings are mandatory for all castaways, and everyone is required to vote. In addition, sitting out of a challenge that requires the participation of all survivors is not allowed. ----------------------------- -------- - ------------------------------ --------- - --Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island. ----------------------------- -------- - ------------------------------ --------- - --Act up. Any misconduct is against the rules, including but not limited to stealing or misappropriating food, harming other castaways or crewmembers, and acts of violence.

athena_girl wrote: I'm hesitant to say I agree with you Elroy since it seems when I've said that in the past I've been shot down for the reasons I agree by some posters. But I'll try one more time. I agree with you , if I were to get on Survivor I would not hesitate to "mislead, deceive or strategize" AND I ADD that I would also lie and steal as well, I'm not quite sure if I should or shouldn't say I'd cheat cuz I really don't know for sure whether or not I would. I recall Rupert "the pirate" stealing the goods from the other tribe (oh help me I can't remember which season that was).

carriekins wrote:

rhokita wrote: I think the only reason Matty wanted to vote out Bob initially was because he wanted to save Randy in case they formed an alliance together. (But then eventually found it hopeless due to Randy's ill behavior.) I don't think Matty wanted to vote out Bob for the reasons he told his alliance, such as Bob being more of a threat, etc. Even if those reasons were true--I don't think they were on Matty's mind. Anyway, I agree with Band that I don't think there was much strategy involved with Matty wanting Bob out. Matty was looking out for himself--as usual. This behavior will be Matty's downfall and will probably cost him the game.

I see it that way also Rhokita. I love Matty, but he made a last-minute decision based on ONE thing coming out of Randy's mouth that was potentially damaging to his game. I'd previously stated that Randy should have been kept around 1 more week, if the others wanted an extra #, and a good person up beside them at the FTC.Randy'd been bugging people/shooting his mouth off the whole game, and Matty had them all solidly (even Sugar, who saw what he was doing) voting for Bob. Then Matty gets mad and changes his strategy on a WORD? (I won't repeat)! - It may be the editing,? as in perhaps Randy said more, even, if that's possible, but I don't think so. It seems tempers and emotions sure do get a lot of them towards the end. Easy for me to say from my 'comfy chair', - I think after a month, people's perspectives start to really lose focus, making it easier for some... ANYway, Randy had said he'd attempt to make them 'Crash and burn' at every turn, and it looks like he succeeded with Matty. Not sure what Randy's strategy EVER was!

bandfour wrote: (WARNING: Pet Peeve Coming!) In several of Crystal's videos and confessionsals she says "axed" instead of "asked". It is a very different meaning when one says: "I axed someone ..." versus "I asked someone ...". *BAND*

HeHe! That's normal in the south Band! If you want to tell if someone is putting on a fake Southern accent get them to say - ALL-AWL-OIL-OWL! If you can tell the difference they were born somewhere else! If they sound the same they were born & raised in the south

ejetson2 wrote:

JackieTN wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- adam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

Maybe so. If so, I apologize. I disagree, wholeheartedly, but I apologize. There is no way that I would do those things in real life. Never have. Never will. But in a game for a million bucks, real life takes a seat on the sidelines for 39 days. (That is assuming I'd win, since I'd lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. ) Thank you for putting it a way that isn't "holier than thou", which irritates the hell out of me. Oh, and 2+2=7 was a bad example. This is better. There was a time when it was the majority opinion that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Those were opinions, and they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong.

EJ,Been reading this thread and IMO, everyone is entitled to their opinion until proven wrong. Saying that those who apply to 'Survivor' and don't exspect to be voted off for any reason are living in 'LaLa' land. This is a game after all with only ONE winner! Who hasn't laughed at a loved one when they land on "Boardwalk" with a motel? No one should go away thinking they have been backstabbed or blindsided it is just part of the game. It may be called a "Reality" show but we all know that most all of the cast will do and say things that they wouldn't even think in their of in their "REAL" life.We try not to decieve people in real life but we all do it! Little things like a woman putting on make up could be considered decieving. Or a man or woman having contact lens! Or seeing a cop and slowing down! how about a customer that takes just one grape to see how sweet it is? Is this stealing, decieving the store? No body is perfect therefore we all decieve as part of human nature.We try not too decieve that makes us civilized. But the rules change in a "Game". Look at all the professional Sports! They are "Games" sometimes the guy with the ball has to decide at the last minute to run instead of throwing! he is not decieving he is playing the "Game".IMHOJackie

It's nice to see that some people get it.

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

First off I want it known that in this reply I'm not taking sides in the EJ JJ dispute. But , Madam, I commnend you! This is exactly what I've been trying to get across to posters on several boards for quite a while. All we need to do is respect eachother opinion by agreeing to disagree. And perhaps adding a "imo" or "I think" once in a while wouldn't hurt some either. In my opinion, there is no definitive right or wrong in Survivor. Unless one breaks one of the few "rules" there are no rules. Yes that sounds ridiculous but aside from harming another person intentionally or plotting to divide the prize money I know of no other rules that are means for "punishment".

rhokita wrote: I'm in your camp, too, ejetson. As far as I know, it doesn't say in the Survivor's rules book that lying and deceiving are against the rules. So as far as I'm cncerned, that doesn't mean you're going to hell. However, we need to draw the line somewhere. Intentionally hurting someone--either verbally or physically--should not be tolerated....even in the game of Survivor. Some of the vile things that Randy and Crystal have been saying to each other were unnecessary. That's like hitting below the belt because it can ruin someone's life.

ejetson2 wrote:

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

Maybe so. If so, I apologize. I disagree, wholeheartedly, but I apologize. There is no way that I would do those things in real life. Never have. Never will. But in a game for a million bucks, real life takes a seat on the sidelines for 39 days. (That is assuming I'd win, since I'd lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. ) Thank you for putting it a way that isn't "holier than thou", which irritates the hell out of me. Oh, and 2+2=7 was a bad example. This is better. There was a time when it was the majority opinion that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Those were opinions, and they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong.

madam_p wrote:

rhokita wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

J - ckieTN wrote:

- jetson2 wrote:

- adam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

Maybe so. If so, I apologize. I disagree, wholeheartedly, but I apologize. There is no way that I would do those things in real life. Never have. Never will. But in a game for a million bucks, real life takes a seat on the sidelines for 39 days. (That is assuming I'd win, since I'd lie, mislead, deceive, strategize, etc. ) Thank you for putting it a way that isn't "holier than thou", which irritates the hell out of me. Oh, and 2+2=7 was a bad example. This is better. There was a time when it was the majority opinion that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Those were opinions, and they were wrong. Opinions can be wrong.

EJ,Been reading this thread and IMO, everyone is entitled to their opinion until proven wrong. Saying that those who apply to 'Survivor' and don't exspect to be voted off for any reason are living in 'LaLa' land. This is a game after all with only ONE winner! Who hasn't laughed at a loved one when they land on "Boardwalk" with a motel? No one should go away thinking they have been backstabbed or blindsided it is just part of the game. It may be called a "Reality" show but we all know that most all of the cast will do and say things that they wouldn't even think in their of in their "REAL" life.We try not to decieve people in real life but we all do it! Little things like a woman putting on make up could be considered decieving. Or a man or woman having contact lens! Or seeing a cop and slowing down! how about a customer that takes just one grape to see how sweet it is? Is this stealing, decieving the store? No body is perfect therefore we all decieve as part of human nature.We try not too decieve that makes us civilized. But the rules change in a "Game". Look at all the professional Sports! They are "Games" sometimes the guy with the ball has to decide at the last minute to run instead of throwing! he is not decieving he is playing the "Game".IMHOJackie

It's nice to see that some people get it.

I'm in your camp, too, ejetson. As far as I know, it doesn't say in the Survivor's rules book that lying and deceiving are against the rules. So as far as I'm cncerned, that doesn't mean you're going to hell. However, we need to draw the line somewhere. Intentionally hurting someone--either verbally or physically--should not be tolerated....even in the game of Survivor. Some of the vile things that Randy and Crystal have been saying to each other were unnecessary. That's like hitting below the belt because it can ruin someone's life.

ejetson2 wrote:

rhokita wrote: I'm in your camp, too, ejetson. As far as I know, it doesn't say in the Survivor's rules book that lying and deceiving are against the rules. So as far as I'm cncerned, that doesn't mean you're going to hell. However, we need to draw the line somewhere. Intentionally hurting someone--either verbally or physically--should not be tolerated....even in the game of Survivor. Some of the vile things that Randy and Crystal have been saying to each other were unnecessary. That's like hitting below the belt because it can ruin someone's life.

No doubt. Never once have I condoned the insulting that has gone on between the two of them. That's not a necessary part of the game, like deception is.Maybe people who think that deception is immoral even in a game shouldn't be watching a game show where deception is the main focus of winners.

philsfan425 wrote:

madam_p wrote: I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

First off I want it known that in this reply I'm not taking sides in the EJ JJ dispute. But , Madam, I commnend you! This is exactly what I've been trying to get across to posters on several boards for quite a while. All we need to do is respect eachother opinion by agreeing to disagree. And perhaps adding a "imo" or "I think" once in a while wouldn't hurt some either. In my opinion, there is no definitive right or wrong in Survivor. Unless one breaks one of the few "rules" there are no rules. Yes that sounds ridiculous but aside from harming another person intentionally or plotting to divide the prize money I know of no other rules that are means for "punishment".

carriekins wrote:

givcheds wrote: I must have missed the bit where Sugar informed Ace that they were no longer in an alliance, or gave him any indication that her prefrences had shifted. She backstabbed him.

Nah, givcheds, she played him. Or should I say 'outplayed him'. Sooner or later, like in the logo, everybody gets outplayed, except the Winner, of course. It's just the game.There are various degrees of which somebody can do this, though. I.E. - Last Thursday Sugar overplayed Randy, and didn't need to. She (and the others) could have just chosen to vote him off. IMO, even though it was Randy, you needn't act like Randy. I would have just voted him off. But then again, CBS does like to give us the drama, and we of course, like to watch it. So who's really guilty? If it continuously happened, then I wouldn't be watching in the first place. There's enough great drama, and surprise ala a good necessary blindside, without the overkill imo. That was just overplay, or overkill.C'kins

rhokita[/quote wrote: I'm in your camp, too, ejetson. As far as I know, it doesn't say in the Survivor's rules book that lying and deceiving are against the rules. So as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean you're going to hell. However, we need to draw the line somewhere. Intentionally hurting someone--either verbally or physically--should not be tolerated....even in the game of Survivor. Some of the vile things that Randy and Crystal have been saying to each other were unnecessary. That's like hitting below the belt because it can ruin someone's life.

j_jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

Oh ........puleeeeeze! Don't you think that's a bit over the top? To say the one should only act within their "real life" boundaries on a show like Survivor is not saying one has Character it's saying they want to lose, imo.

philsfan425 wrote:

j_jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

Oh ........puleeeeeze! Don't you think that's a bit over the top? To say the one should only act within their "real life" boundaries on a show like Survivor is not saying one has Character it's saying they want to lose, imo.

j_jammer wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [quo - e=madam_p]I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

First off I want it known that in this reply I'm not taking sides in the EJ JJ dispute. But , Madam, I commnend you! This is exactly what I've been trying to get across to posters on several boards for quite a while. All we need to do is respect eachother opinion by agreeing to disagree. And perhaps adding a "imo" or "I think" once in a while wouldn't hurt some either. In my opinion, there is no definitive right or wrong in Survivor. Unless one breaks one of the few "rules" there are no rules. Yes that sounds ridiculous but aside from harming another person intentionally or plotting to divide the prize money I know of no other rules that are means for "punishment".

reyb99 wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island.

i wonder - that means those turtles are designated OK to eat huh? Also, i saw Randy throw his beer bottle cap into the forest at the auction?

madam_p wrote:

philsfan425 wrote:

j_jammer wrote: If you do anything for a million dollars, such as do things you wouldn't in 'real' life then you are saying your character is up for sale.

Oh ........puleeeeeze! Don't you think that's a bit over the top? To say the one should only act within their "real life" boundaries on a show like Survivor is not saying one has Character it's saying they want to lose, imo.

ejetson2 wrote: Amen.If someone can't separate the game from real life, then they are not a very strong person to start with and probably shouldn't be watching something so potentially corrupting to their weakness.

JackieTN wrote:

hppygolucky wrote: [quo - e=JackieTN][quo - e=Mrs_JR47]

- ornaxus wrote:

- enni90210 wrote: I hope Crystal goes home tonight.

I'm with you not liking her, but part of me is still holding out for a Randy/Crystal showdown for F2. Oh, the lovely, lovely fireworks!

hi everyone. GO SURVIVORS! hope matty, bob and sugar are the final 3.

Sounds good to me! I think Bob could get Matty & Sugar to vote with him next week while they still have Corinne as a fourth and vote off either Crystal or Susie! That would leave Ken with only one person. Then they could vote off Corinne next. And get the other girl and Ken. Making the F3 that you have above!

So how do you feel now???

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: - Amen.If someone can't separate the game from real life, then they are not a very strong person to start with and probably shouldn't be watching something so potentially corrupting to their weakness.

Someone who can't speak to the person they are talking about is weaker.

hppygolucky wrote:

JackieTN wrote: [quo - e=hppygolucky][quo - e=JackieTN][quo - e=Mrs_JR47]

- ornaxus wrote:

- enni90210 wrote: I hope Crystal goes home tonight.

I'm with you not liking her, but part of me is still holding out for a Randy/Crystal showdown for F2. Oh, the lovely, lovely fireworks!

hi everyone. GO SURVIVORS! hope matty, bob and sugar are the final 3.

Sounds good to me! I think Bob could get Matty & Sugar to vote with him next week while they still have Corinne as a fourth and vote off either Crystal or Susie! That would leave Ken with only one person. Then they could vote off Corinne next. And get the other girl and Ken. Making the F3 that you have above!

So how do you feel now???

rhokita wrote: Hppygolucky: I don't think Randy knew what he was talking about when he told Matty that Ken, Crystal and Susie were in a tight alliance. I'm pretty sure he made it all up because according to a Sugar video, she said that she's in an alliance with Ken and Crystal. Apparently, Matty and Susie are in an alliance together and they think Sugar is with them but she's not.

rhokita wrote: BTW, I like your name. Have you seen the new Mike Leigh film that bears the same name? It's excellent.

rhokita wrote:

j_jammer wrote:

e - etson2 wrote: - Amen.If someone can't separate the game from real life, then they are not a very strong person to start with and probably shouldn't be watching something so potentially corrupting to their weakness.

Someone who can't speak to the person they are talking about is weaker.

ejetson: I wouldn't even bother responding to jjammer. This person is losing it.

bandfour wrote: (WARNING: Pet Peeve Coming!) In several of Crystal's videos and confessionsals she says "axed" instead of "asked". It is a very different meaning when one says: "I axed someone ..." versus "I asked someone ...". *BAND*

ThatJoAnn wrote:

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

Hi Band, I remember that sad day . I was working at a fruit & vegetable company in the office usinga teletype to schedule freight trains for pickup & delivery. The receptionist came running in screaming"The President's Dead" over and over. We were all stunned, it was just quiet for a minute and then theowner just said "Go home please" and closed the company. Everyone was calling their families, somewere weeping and others still stunned. It didn't matter at that time if people were democrat or republicanour President was dead... JoAnn

JackieTN wrote: Dear Phils,Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island. Throwing that bottle into the Mississippi would be considered littering and damaging the environment here! So why was Marcus & Randy allowed to continue?

Gee jackie, I'm not sure, I'll have to ask Jeff the next time I see him! lol I'm sure it would be considered littering here too if they threw the bottle into Lake Erie!! Now really I only found the rules and pasted them here so please don't everybody find things that might be considered breaking them and ask me cuz I dont' know!. Sorry.

j_jammer wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [quo - e=madam_p]I don't think j_jammer is saying Survivor is life. It sounds to me like he/she is saying that he/she believes that the way you ultimately decide to act in Survivor reflects how you act in "real life." Slight difference, to me anyway.And for what it's worth, I think it's pretty harsh to tell someone their opinion is "wrong." You can say you don't agree with their opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Saying 2+2=7 isn't an opinion. Saying that you feel it's uncool to backstab someone even in the context of a televised gameshow is an opinion. An opinion is a subjective personal belief and as such, can't really be "wrong." In my opinion.

First off I want it known that in this reply I'm not taking sides in the EJ JJ dispute. But , Madam, I commnend you! This is exactly what I've been trying to get across to posters on several boards for quite a while. All we need to do is respect eachother opinion by agreeing to disagree. And perhaps adding a "imo" or "I think" once in a while wouldn't hurt some either. In my opinion, there is no definitive right or wrong in Survivor. Unless one breaks one of the few "rules" there are no rules. Yes that sounds ridiculous but aside from harming another person intentionally or plotting to divide the prize money I know of no other rules that are means for "punishment".

ejetson2 wrote:

rhokita wrote:

j - jammer wrote:

e - etson2 wrote: - Amen.If someone can't separate the game from real life, then they are not a very strong person to start with and probably shouldn't be watching something so potentially corrupting to their weakness.

Someone who can't speak to the person they are talking about is weaker.

ejetson: I wouldn't even bother responding to jjammer. This person is losing it.

I'm not. I already said I was done. I apologized if I misinterpreted his/her opinion, but from the later posts, I'm pretty sure I was right on the money all along.

bandfour wrote: Sugar's map has two clues marked with an X. Bob's map has three clues marked with an X. Why the difference? The writing looks the same to me. Does it to you? Could Sugar have made all the markings? Why would she have marked all the clues? She didn't mark the final location of the HII. Why not? *BAND*

philsfan425 wrote: Thanks, for the above. I have done a couple of searches in the past and come up with nothing like what you found. *BAND* You're very welcome Band! I found a great MSN site , it even has some pretty funny charicatures of characters from Survivor. Unfortunatley I can't copy and paste them ,no http code , nor can I caopy and paste the link. Just another downer in the long list. Phils

JackieTN wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Than - s, for the above. I have done a couple of searches in the past and come up with nothing like what you found. *BAND* You're very welcome Band! I found a great MSN site , it even has some pretty funny charicatures of characters from Survivor. Unfortunatley I can't copy and paste them ,no http code , nor can I caopy and paste the link. Just another downer in the long list. Phils

Dear Phills,We have sort of figured a way in PM to send the codes. Right now I am on-http(NS) ://www(dot)cbs(dot)com (N S )/forum/posts(NS)/465/403021(d ot)page NS = No space dot =.Jackie

hppygolucky wrote: So how about instead of focusing on what we don't agree on....can we just all have fun and be HPPY, okay?????And to start the entertainment for tonight's festivities and HPPYNESS, here's a old but classic ice breaker for us all: Ready.....set....cue the music..... Now, I know this might seem "hokey" to some of you (I'm so "punny" I can't stand it)....but some of y'all are just getting waaaaay toooo bogged down in semantics and I'm hoping to just lighten up the atmosphere around here......Smiles,Hppy

rhokita [/quote wrote: Hppygolucky: I don't think Randy knew what he was talking about when he told Matty that Ken, Crystal and Susie were in a tight alliance. I'm pretty sure he made it all up because according to a Sugar video, she said that she's in an alliance with Ken and Crystal. Apparently, Matty and Susie are in an alliance together and they think Sugar is with them but she's not.

bandfour wrote:

ThatJoAnn wrote:

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

Hi Band, I remember that sad day . I was working at a fruit & vegetable company in the office usinga teletype to schedule freight trains for pickup & delivery. The receptionist came running in screaming"The President's Dead" over and over. We were all stunned, it was just quiet for a minute and then theowner just said "Go home please" and closed the company. Everyone was calling their families, somewere weeping and others still stunned. It didn't matter at that time if people were democrat or republicanour President was dead... JoAnn

Thanks you for sharing your memories! I was hoping that more people would. I appreciate you sharing yours! I was 5 at the time. I remember being sent home from kindergarten and then watching the funeral on TV a few days later. *BAND*

philsfan425 wrote:

JackieTN wrote: Dear Phils,Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island. Throwing that bottle into the Mississippi would be considered littering and damaging the environment here! So why was Marcus & Randy allowed to continue?

Gee jackie, I'm not sure, I'll have to ask Jeff the next time I see him! lol I'm sure it would be considered littering here too if they threw the bottle into Lake Erie!! Now really I only found the rules and pasted them here so please don't everybody find things that might be considered breaking them and ask me cuz I dont' know!. Sorry.

bandfour wrote: Please help me with the following ( I am posting this in a couple of threads ) : Here is the map that they show when Sugar took her first trip to EI: Here is the map that they show when Bob took his first trip to EI: Sugar's map has two clues marked with an X. Bob's map has three clues marked with an X. Why the difference? Exactly! Why show an extra clue if there is not another HII? The writing looks the same to me. Does it to you? To me the writing is not as blocky on the 3rd clue! And the number 3 looks like someone else's! plus, of course it is in a darker black marker, but that could be because of time and pressure on the marker .Could Sugar have made all the markings? Did she have a marker while on EI? Why would she have marked all the clues? She didn't mark the final location of the HII. Why not? If you will remember when she got to the "Tree" clue, she did look around and said she would try that one first. The same one that Bob went to! Could there have been another lone tree with a different 'Clue'? One that did not say to go to the burned wood? If so could they have put another HII out after they threw that one into the sea?I guess the only way we will know for sure is if they send somebody other than Bob or Sugar out to EI and they remove the clue from Sugars & Bob's tree. Or the other player looks in a different tree? *BAND*

bandfour wrote:

ThatJoAnn wrote:

bandfour wrote: IN MEMORIUM (45 years ago today)

Hi Band, I remember that sad day . I was working at a fruit & vegetable company in the office usinga teletype to schedule freight trains for pickup & delivery. The receptionist came running in screaming"The President's Dead" over and over. We were all stunned, it was just quiet for a minute and then theowner just said "Go home please" and closed the company. Everyone was calling their families, somewere weeping and others still stunned. It didn't matter at that time if people were democrat or republicanour President was dead... JoAnn

Thanks you for sharing your memories! I was hoping that more people would. I appreciate you sharing yours! I was 5 at the time. I remember being sent home from kindergarten and then watching the funeral on TV a few days later. *BAND*

JackieTN wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Than - s, for the above. I have done a couple of searches in the past and come up with nothing like what you found. *BAND* You're very welcome Band! I found a great MSN site , it even has some pretty funny charicatures of characters from Survivor. Unfortunatley I can't copy and paste them ,no http code , nor can I caopy and paste the link. Just another downer in the long list. Phils

Dear Phills,We have sort of figured a way in PM to send the codes. Right now I am on-http(NS)://www(dot)cbs(do t)com(N - )/forum/posts(NS)/465/403021(d ot)page - NS = No space dot =.Jackie

JackieTN wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: [quo - e=JackieTN]Dear Phils,Damage the island environment. Only designated fruits, vegetables and marine life are allowed to be harvested as food. In addition, the survivors may not leave litter or any other debris in the water or around the island, and they will be obliged to give full consideration to the ecological impact of everything they do on the island. Throwing that bottle into the Mississippi would be considered littering and damaging the environment here! So why was Marcus & Randy allowed to continue?

Gee jackie, I'm not sure, I'll have to ask Jeff the next time I see him! lol I'm sure it would be considered littering here too if they threw the bottle into Lake Erie!! Now really I only found the rules and pasted them here so please don't everybody find things that might be considered breaking them and ask me cuz I dont' know!. Sorry.

ejetson2 wrote:

JackieTN wrote:

rhokita [/quote wrote: Hppygolucky: I don't think Randy knew what he was talking about when he told Matty that Ken, Crystal and Susie were in a tight alliance. I'm pretty sure he made it all up because according to a Sugar video, she said that she's in an alliance with Ken and Crystal. Apparently, Matty and Susie are in an alliance together and they think Sugar is with them but she's not.

Dear RH,IMHO!!!Randy, I think knew exactly what he was talking about to Matty. If Matty would open his ears he would realize this. There was a scene with Matty, Susie, Crystal and Ken. Where Crystal pointed to Ken and said she & Ken are the real thing. Susie has resigned herself to 3rd place, which was what she wanted from Marcus. And Ken & Crystal were happy to promise her 3rd place! Matty wants 1st place, no matter how he tries on his own he can't break up this threesome. He will either have to flip or settle for a 4th place position. Like so many other physical players I hope that he does not rely solely on winning all of the II's from here on end.He likes Ken! Which is the reason why I can see him voting for Susie to go. And he might even go for voting Crystal off. He can always flip back later! Matty's vote has always gone to who he perceives is the strongest alliance.Ken is smart! And he does not want to go to F2 if that is what happens with Matty, Susie, Bob or Sugar. He also would not want to go with Corinne (too many Onions on the Jury). So he is stuck with Crystal, there is not too many people who have good relations with her. He would look like the King of Nice going up against her!Jackie

ejetson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

bandfour wrote: Please help me with the following ( I am posting this in a couple of threads ) : Here is the map that they show when Sugar took her first trip to EI: Here is the map that they show when Bob took his first trip to EI: Sugar's map has two clues marked with an X. Bob's map has three clues marked with an X. Why the difference? The writing looks the same to me. Does it to you? Could Sugar have made all the markings? Why would she have marked all the clues? She didn't mark the final location of the HII. Why not? *BAND*

JackieTN wrote:

rhokita [/quote wrote: Hppygolucky: I don't think Randy knew what he was talking about when he told Matty that Ken, Crystal and Susie were in a tight alliance. I'm pretty sure he made it all up because according to a Sugar video, she said that she's in an alliance with Ken and Crystal. Apparently, Matty and Susie are in an alliance together and they think Sugar is with them but she's not.

Dear RH,IMHO!!!Randy, I think knew exactly what he was talking about to Matty. If Matty would open his ears he would realize this. There was a scene with Matty, Susie, Crystal and Ken. Where Crystal pointed to Ken and said she & Ken are the real thing. Susie has resigned herself to 3rd place, which was what she wanted from Marcus. And Ken & Crystal were happy to promise her 3rd place! Matty wants 1st place, no matter how he tries on his own he can't break up this threesome. He will either have to flip or settle for a 4th place position. Like so many other physical players I hope that he does not rely solely on winning all of the II's from here on end.He likes Ken! Which is the reason why I can see him voting for Susie to go. And he might even go for voting Crystal off. He can always flip back later! Matty's vote has always gone to who he perceives is the strongest alliance.Ken is smart! And he does not want to go to F2 if that is what happens with Matty, Susie, Bob or Sugar. He also would not want to go with Corinne (too many Onions on the Jury). So he is stuck with Crystal, there is not too many people who have good relations with her. He would look like the King of Nice going up against her!Jackie

JackieTN wrote: Dear TW & Band,There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary by Crystal saying 'axed' instead of 'aSked'. She did not pronounce it that ways because she is black, a woman or an athlete! She pronounced it that way because she is from the SOUTH!Just like someone from Boston would have a HARD VOWEL sound in their speech.I remember years ago late 60's early 70's. Charlie Pride (one of the first if not the first Black Country Western singers) was asked on the 'Gran' ole Opry' why do you speak the way you do? He simply answered "I'm from Texas!"When I first came South I went into a store and asked where their "Babooshka's" were. They looked at me like I was crazy! When I would order a "Coney" they would give me a "Chili Dog"!Words and phrases come and go in popular speech or day to day speech! Remember everyone going around saying "Here comes de` judge"? Or calling someone a "Meathead"? or better "Sock it to me"?There an old - old kids saying that I bet many of those here have said thousands of times!"Sticks & Stones may break my Bones but words will never hurt me!"I for one am very glad we do not speak proper English. I like going up in elevators not lifts. I like having fish & french fries with tarter sauce & ketchup. Not fish & chips with vinegar. And I'll take my biscuits with sausage gravy Thank You! And give me a bag of OREO cookies!Each region and sub-region of the USA has different accents to those who do not live in that region. I don't know what the heck ebonics is/was/or will be, but around these parts no matter who starts a new word Black/White/Hispanic/Vietnames e the kids are usually the first to catch on to them. Then the parents and Grandparents pick it up "Whatever"! jackie

mizzymm wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'am so tired of this Marcus was burned by the twist. marcus was burned by marcus, the Onions had decided( according To Corrine) to vote for Susie and even when they were seperated Crystal and Kenny were in the minority, Marcus had to do his own thing and vote for Kenny, telling Crystal and Kenny , he was his own wrost enemy, did he expect Kenny to just roll over when he told him he was going to vote for him, the sad answer is, yes he did, maybe in real life , he can influence people to do things his way, but crystal and Kenny saw right through him and got rid of him,If he had only voted for susie, Crystal and Kenny would have gone along with it and he would still be in the game,so Marcus has no one to blame for his demise but Marcus.

ejetson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

rhokita wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'll have to disagree with you, ejetson, that Marcus "had little chance from that point on." I think Marcus made a HUGE strategic mistake when he told Crystal that he wanted to vote out Kenny. (He even told Kenny, but I won't get into that.) Marcus barely even knew Crystal except that she was the cousin of his best friend. That's hardly grounds to tell someone that you want to vote out their closest ally. (Marcus had to have known that Crystal and Ken were tight. After all--they came from the same tribe.) Anyway, that's like Crystal telling Marcus that she wants to vote out Charlie. What did Marcus think Crystal was going to do? Tell him that she wasn't going along with the plan? That she would instead vote out Susie? From this point on, Marcus could not be trusted because he foolishly showed his cards that he wanted Kenny out. Crystal did the right thing by telling Kenny about it, and the two of them turning the tables against Marcus. Marcus probably would've been fine if he didn't say anything to either Crystal or Kenny, and just told Bob and Susie that they were going to vote out Ken. I'm pretty sure Bob would've gone along with the plan. And at the time, Kenny wanted to get rid of Susie, so Susie probably would've gone along with Marcus's plan too. So I don't think the "twist" had anything to do with Marcus having little chance from that point on or the demise of the onion alliance. I think it was Marcus's fault.Regarding your suggestion of having no tribes at the beginning of Survivor--that sounds a lot like Big Brother to me. I'm not sure about that.

JackieTN wrote: Dear Band,I was almost a teenager when JFK ran for President the first time. His was the first campaign I ever worked on and it was not easy being a Democrat in Indianapolis back then. The joke that all the Republican kids would say (which I'm sure came from their parents) was "If Kennedy dies then the first lady would be a Lady Bird" then they would start making bird calls. And that the "Pope" would be running the USA! There were so many bad jokes back then I can not repeat them all!They came on the loudspeaker at the HS and announced "President Kennedy has just been shot". I was in Biology Class with one of the few Black teachers I had "Mr. Bess", I don't know which of us were crying the hardest! Then from the back of the room I heard a few smart alec's start making "Bird Calls"! To say that I lost it is an understatement! I have always been quite vocal and to say that I made a sailor's language sound like they were reciting Bible Verses is mild! The good thing was when I was sent home on suspension I did get to see the whole funeral proceedings! BTW the boys in the back were not suspended!I can remember crying for weeks. And just thinking about that time still makes me cry. Which was why i didn't tell you the first time where I was at when I first heard!Jackie

ca_treehugs wrote: I remember the principle coming into our 2nd grade class to tell the teacher about JFK just before lunch. When we went to the cafeteria I couldn't understand why the older girls were crying, I knew it was a bad thing but didn't "get" the tears at that age. What I really remember is that it was my parent's 20th wedding anniversary and they were planning to go out for dinner and dancing that night....they tried but left after dinner since the mood was so somber. I recall that the funeral was on Thanksgiving weekend, Mom had a bad cold and sent us to an Aunt's house instead of hosting herself... I specifically recall that she felt miserable physically and all the funerary music on tv made it worse. Remember her saying that if she heard one more dirge it better be her own!Of course the funeral cortege made a huge impact on an 8 yr. old, we hardly ever see that sort of pagentry in this country.

ejetson2 wrote:

rhokita wrote:

e - etson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'll have to disagree with you, ejetson, that Marcus "had little chance from that point on." I think Marcus made a HUGE strategic mistake when he told Crystal that he wanted to vote out Kenny. (He even told Kenny, but I won't get into that.) Marcus barely even knew Crystal except that she was the cousin of his best friend. That's hardly grounds to tell someone that you want to vote out their closest ally. (Marcus had to have known that Crystal and Ken were tight. After all--they came from the same tribe.) Anyway, that's like Crystal telling Marcus that she wants to vote out Charlie. What did Marcus think Crystal was going to do? Tell him that she wasn't going along with the plan? That she would instead vote out Susie? From this point on, Marcus could not be trusted because he foolishly showed his cards that he wanted Kenny out. Crystal did the right thing by telling Kenny about it, and the two of them turning the tables against Marcus. Marcus probably would've been fine if he didn't say anything to either Crystal or Kenny, and just told Bob and Susie that they were going to vote out Ken. I'm pretty sure Bob would've gone along with the plan. And at the time, Kenny wanted to get rid of Susie, so Susie probably would've gone along with Marcus's plan too. So I don't think the "twist" had anything to do with Marcus having little chance from that point on or the demise of the onion alliance. I think it was Marcus's fault.Regarding your suggestion of having no tribes at the beginning of Survivor--that sounds a lot like Big Brother to me. I'm not sure about that.

OK, so that's what Marcus shouldn't have done. What do you think he could have possibly done to not get voted out that week?And, it's nothing like Big Brother, which just picks out spoiled twenty-somethings to whine all show long.

bandfour wrote: At the end of last episode we are at day 30. So if this goes to day 39 and a TC every 3 days that leaves only 3 more TC's and only 3 more eliminations. This takes us down to 4 survivors. Does anyone smell a double elimination coming? (Or didn't I shower well this morning?) *BAND*

philsfan425 wrote: Hi Band, yes, using your calculations it does seem as though there would need to be a double elimination to bring the count down to F3. But since there was already one I'm surprised there would be another, but who knows this has been a season of surprises that's for sure,lol.I wanted to tell you that this past Sat was a double wammy for me. For years I had always remembered and honored the anniversary of JFK's death. But it was also the 4th anniversary of my mom's death. I don't try to relate the two except for the common date. Of course I will never forget where I was when my mom passed since I was in the hospital room at her side. As for Pres Kennedy , I was about 5 1/2 yrs old and in first grade at a private school I don't recall the exact moment I was told but I do remember a lot of news coverage. Mostly I remember the fact that Caroline and I are around the same age and feeling bad that she and her little brother lost their father. For many years after I watched or read just about everything I saw about the family and JFK's death. It was very good of you to post the remberence. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Phils

ejetson2 wrote:

mizzymm wrote:

e - etson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'am so tired of this Marcus was burned by the twist. marcus was burned by marcus, the Onions had decided( according To Corrine) to vote for Susie and even when they were seperated Crystal and Kenny were in the minority, Marcus had to do his own thing and vote for Kenny, telling Crystal and Kenny , he was his own wrost enemy, did he expect Kenny to just roll over when he told him he was going to vote for him, the sad answer is, yes he did, maybe in real life , he can influence people to do things his way, but crystal and Kenny saw right through him and got rid of him,If he had only voted for susie, Crystal and Kenny would have gone along with it and he would still be in the game,so Marcus has no one to blame for his demise but Marcus.

I'm not blaming the twist for Marcus' departure. However, the twist made it more difficult for Marcus and somewhat easier for Ken/Crystal/Susie.

rhokita wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'll have to disagree with you, ejetson, that Marcus "had little chance from that point on." I think Marcus made a HUGE strategic mistake when he told Crystal that he wanted to vote out Kenny. (He even told Kenny, but I won't get into that.) Marcus barely even knew Crystal except that she was the cousin of his best friend. That's hardly grounds to tell someone that you want to vote out their closest ally. (Marcus had to have known that Crystal and Ken were tight. After all--they came from the same tribe.) Anyway, that's like Crystal telling Marcus that she wants to vote out Charlie. What did Marcus think Crystal was going to do? Tell him that she wasn't going along with the plan? That she would instead vote out Susie? From this point on, Marcus could not be trusted because he foolishly showed his cards that he wanted Kenny out. Crystal did the right thing by telling Kenny about it, and the two of them turning the tables against Marcus. Marcus probably would've been fine if he didn't say anything to either Crystal or Kenny, and just told Bob and Susie that they were going to vote out Ken. I'm pretty sure Bob would've gone along with the plan. And at the time, Kenny wanted to get rid of Susie, so Susie probably would've gone along with Marcus's plan too. So I don't think the "twist" had anything to do with Marcus having little chance from that point on or the demise of the onion alliance. I think it was Marcus's fault.Regarding your suggestion of having no tribes at the beginning of Survivor--that sounds a lot like Big Brother to me. I'm not sure about that.

bandfour wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Hi Band, yes, using your calculations it does seem as though there would need to be a double elimination to bring the count down to F3. But since there was already one I'm surprised there would be another, but who knows this has been a season of surprises that's for sure,lol.I wanted to tell you that this past Sat was a double wammy for me. For years I had always remembered and honored the anniversary of JFK's death. But it was also the 4th anniversary of my mom's death. I don't try to relate the two except for the common date. Of course I will never forget where I was when my mom passed since I was in the hospital room at her side. As for Pres Kennedy , I was about 5 1/2 yrs old and in first grade at a private school I don't recall the exact moment I was told but I do remember a lot of news coverage. Mostly I remember the fact that Caroline and I are around the same age and feeling bad that she and her little brother lost their father. For many years after I watched or read just about everything I saw about the family and JFK's death. It was very good of you to post the remberence. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Phils

Sorry to hear about your mother. Losing a parent is very tough. My father died of cancer 11 years ago, three days before my parents 40th wedding annirversary. He was only 59. He passed away in his sleep. We were with him just the day before and knew it would be soon. So far it is the hardest loss in my life. There have been so many times where I wish he was around to give me some advice or just to listen. *BAND*

If I was Marcus, I probably would've voted out Susie because she's unreliable, and tried to gain Crystal's trust. All Marcus needed were Bob and Crystal's votes, which he had in the bag. Susie would've be sent home, and Marcus would've been still in the game. But if Marcus was intent on taking out Ken, then I would've gotten Bob and Susie to vote with me and NOT tell Crystal nor Ken (which he foolishly did!) I would've done what Ken did to get Sugar to vote out Ace: tell Susie that Ken was after her or in other words--lie. Because Susie is not too bright, I'm pretty sure she would've bought it and agreed to vote out Ken. I think the problem with Marcus was that he got too comfortable at the old Kota tribe and lost his edge. He forgot how to play down and dirty, which is what Survivor is all about. He claimed he took the "high road" which is a bunch of baloney in the game of Survivor. Now look at where he is and look at where Ken is. Ken is playing the best game right now, and I'm predicting he'll win it all.

philsfan425 wrote:

bandfour wrote: [siz - =24] At the end of last episode we are at day 30. So if this goes to day 39 and a TC every 3 days that leaves only 3 more TC's and only 3 more eliminations. This takes us down to 4 survivors. Does anyone smell a double elimination coming? (Or didn't I shower well this morning?) *BAND* [/size]

Hi Band, yes, using your calculations it does seem as though there would need to be a double elimination to bring the count down to F3. But since there was already one I'm surprised there would be another, but who knows this has been a season of surprises that's for sure,lol.I wanted to tell you that this past Sat was a double wammy for me. For years I had always remembered and honored the anniversary of JFK's death. But it was also the 4th anniversary of my mom's death. I don't try to relate the two except for the common date. Of course I will never forget where I was when my mom passed since I was in the hospital room at her side. As for Pres Kennedy , I was about 5 1/2 yrs old and in first grade at a private school I don't recall the exact moment I was told but I do remember a lot of news coverage. Mostly I remember the fact that Caroline and I are around the same age and feeling bad that she and her little brother lost their father. For many years after I watched or read just about everything I saw about the family and JFK's death. It was very good of you to post the remberence. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Phils

philsfan425 wrote:

bandfour wrote: [quo - e=philsfan425] Hi Band, yes, using your calculations it does seem as though there would need to be a double elimination to bring the count down to F3. But since there was already one I'm surprised there would be another, but who knows this has been a season of surprises that's for sure,lol.I wanted to tell you that this past Sat was a double wammy for me. For years I had always remembered and honored the anniversary of JFK's death. But it was also the 4th anniversary of my mom's death. I don't try to relate the two except for the common date. Of course I will never forget where I was when my mom passed since I was in the hospital room at her side. As for Pres Kennedy , I was about 5 1/2 yrs old and in first grade at a private school I don't recall the exact moment I was told but I do remember a lot of news coverage. Mostly I remember the fact that Caroline and I are around the same age and feeling bad that she and her little brother lost their father. For many years after I watched or read just about everything I saw about the family and JFK's death. It was very good of you to post the remberence. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Phils

My mother died of cancer when I was 18, Sometimes I dream about her ,and when I wake up, for just a secound, i think she's in the next room. It's comforting in a way, it's as if she came to tell me she's allright and that she's looking out for me.Sorry to hear about your mother. Losing a parent is very tough. My father died of cancer 11 years ago, three days before my parents 40th wedding annirversary. He was only 59. He passed away in his sleep. We were with him just the day before and knew it would be soon. So far it is the hardest loss in my life. There have been so many times where I wish he was around to give me some advice or just to listen. *BAND*

ejetson2 wrote:

If I was Marcus, I probably would've voted out Susie because she's unreliable, and tried to gain Crystal's trust. All Marcus needed were Bob and Crystal's votes, which he had in the bag. Susie would've be sent home, and Marcus would've been still in the game. But if Marcus was intent on taking out Ken, then I would've gotten Bob and Susie to vote with me and NOT tell Crystal nor Ken (which he foolishly did!) I would've done what Ken did to get Sugar to vote out Ace: tell Susie that Ken was after her or in other words--lie. Because Susie is not too bright, I'm pretty sure she would've bought it and agreed to vote out Ken. I think the problem with Marcus was that he got too comfortable at the old Kota tribe and lost his edge. He forgot how to play down and dirty, which is what Survivor is all about. He claimed he took the "high road" which is a bunch of baloney in the game of Survivor. Now look at where he is and look at where Ken is. Ken is playing the best game right now, and I'm predicting he'll win it all.

He did try to gain Crystal's trust, but Crystal's trust wasn't going anywhere. She knew she was much much much much safer with Ken than by switching to try to join an alliance of 4 or 5 already. She wasn't going anywhere. Susie wasn't going to vote with him either. No chance. Again, she knew that she was last on the totem pole in Marcus' alliance, where she was top 3 with Ken and Crystal. He or Bob were going home that week without any doubt at all. His only chance was for his team to win the immunity challenge.

ejetson2 wrote:

If I was Marcus, I probably would've voted out Susie because she's unreliable, and tried to gain Crystal's trust. All Marcus needed were Bob and Crystal's votes, which he had in the bag. Susie would've be sent home, and Marcus would've been still in the game. But if Marcus was intent on taking out Ken, then I would've gotten Bob and Susie to vote with me and NOT tell Crystal nor Ken (which he foolishly did!) I would've done what Ken did to get Sugar to vote out Ace: tell Susie that Ken was after her or in other words--lie. Because Susie is not too bright, I'm pretty sure she would've bought it and agreed to vote out Ken. I think the problem with Marcus was that he got too comfortable at the old Kota tribe and lost his edge. He forgot how to play down and dirty, which is what Survivor is all about. He claimed he took the "high road" which is a bunch of baloney in the game of Survivor. Now look at where he is and look at where Ken is. Ken is playing the best game right now, and I'm predicting he'll win it all.

He did try to gain Crystal's trust, but Crystal's trust wasn't going anywhere. She knew she was much much much much safer with Ken than by switching to try to join an alliance of 4 or 5 already. She wasn't going anywhere. Susie wasn't going to vote with him either. No chance. Again, she knew that she was last on the totem pole in Marcus' alliance, where she was top 3 with Ken and Crystal. He or Bob were going home that week without any doubt at all. His only chance was for his team to win the immunity challenge.

j_jammer wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- If I was Marcus, I probably would've voted out Susie because she's unreliable, and tried to gain Crystal's trust. All Marcus needed were Bob and Crystal's votes, which he had in the bag. Susie would've be sent home, and Marcus would've been still in the game. But if Marcus was intent on taking out Ken, then I would've gotten Bob and Susie to vote with me and NOT tell Crystal nor Ken (which he foolishly did!) I would've done what Ken did to get Sugar to vote out Ace: tell Susie that Ken was after her or in other words--lie. Because Susie is not too bright, I'm pretty sure she would've bought it and agreed to vote out Ken. I think the problem with Marcus was that he got too comfortable at the old Kota tribe and lost his edge. He forgot how to play down and dirty, which is what Survivor is all about. He claimed he took the "high road" which is a bunch of baloney in the game of Survivor. Now look at where he is and look at where Ken is. Ken is playing the best game right now, and I'm predicting he'll win it all.

He did try to gain Crystal's trust, but Crystal's trust wasn't going anywhere. She knew she was much much much much safer with Ken than by switching to try to join an alliance of 4 or 5 already. She wasn't going anywhere. Susie wasn't going to vote with him either. No chance. Again, she knew that she was last on the totem pole in Marcus' alliance, where she was top 3 with Ken and Crystal. He or Bob were going home that week without any doubt at all. His only chance was for his team to win the immunity challenge.

He should have voted out Suzie. He was too into having control. That's why he failed and that's why Ken will fail as well.

bandfour wrote: At the end of last episode we are at day 30. So if this goes to day 39 and a TC every 3 days that leaves only 3 more TC's and only 3 more eliminations. This takes us down to 4 survivors. Does anyone smell a double elimination coming? (Or didn't I shower well this morning?) *BAND*

rhokita[/quote wrote: De - r RH,IMHO!!!Randy, I think knew exactly what he was talking about to Matty. If Matty would open his ears he would realize this. There was a scene with Matty, Susie, Crystal and Ken. Where Crystal pointed to Ken and said she & Ken are the real thing. Susie has resigned herself to 3rd place, which was what she wanted from Marcus. And Ken & Crystal were happy to promise her 3rd place! Matty wants 1st place, no matter how he tries on his own he can't break up this threesome. He will either have to flip or settle for a 4th place position. Like so many other physical players I hope that he does not rely solely on winning all of the II's from here on end.He likes Ken! Which is the reason why I can see him voting for Susie to go. And he might even go for voting Crystal off. He can always flip back later! Matty's vote has always gone to who he perceives is the strongest alliance.Ken is smart! And he does not want to go to F2 if that is what happens with Matty, Susie, Bob or Sugar. He also would not want to go with Corinne (too many Onions on the Jury). So he is stuck with Crystal, there is not too many people who have good relations with her. He would look like the King of Nice going up against her!Jackie

ejetson2 wrote:

mizzymm wrote:

e - etson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'am so tired of this Marcus was burned by the twist. marcus was burned by marcus, the Onions had decided( according To Corrine) to vote for Susie and even when they were seperated Crystal and Kenny were in the minority, Marcus had to do his own thing and vote for Kenny, telling Crystal and Kenny , he was his own wrost enemy, did he expect Kenny to just roll over when he told him he was going to vote for him, the sad answer is, yes he did, maybe in real life , he can influence people to do things his way, but crystal and Kenny saw right through him and got rid of him,If he had only voted for susie, Crystal and Kenny would have gone along with it and he would still be in the game,so Marcus has no one to blame for his demise but Marcus.

I'm not blaming the twist for Marcus' departure. However, the twist made it more difficult for Marcus and somewhat easier for Ken/Crystal/Susie.

jackieTn wrote: Are we talking another Parv here? Alliance's within alliances within alliances?

bandfour wrote: Thanks for the responses to the 2 maps questions. I am still confused. Sugar got the same clues that Bob did leading her to the crater, the one tree hill, the burnt wood, and the final location where the idol was hanging in the tree. Both followed the same clues to the same location. The only difference was the markings on the map. Dan was stupid he never opened the map. He laid it on the table with comfort/clue the tie around the map was never removed. Dear Band, IF the second clue was on the map that Jeff gives to those chosen to go to EI, that would mean all 3 were stupid! Take "Comfort" and follow the dumb map! This does not appear to be like other seasons where one clue was added on top of existing clues. All the clues were in place on Sugar's first trip to EI. Bob still had to follow the clues in sequence, even with the additional marking on the map. *BAND*

bandfour wrote: At the end of last episode we are at day 30. So if this goes to day 39 and a TC every 3 days that leaves only 3 more TC's and only 3 more eliminations. This takes us down to 4 survivors. Does anyone smell a double elimination coming? (Or didn't I shower well this morning?) *BAND*

bandfour wrote:

philsfan425 wrote: Hi Band, yes, using your calculations it does seem as though there would need to be a double elimination to bring the count down to F3. But since there was already one I'm surprised there would be another, but who knows this has been a season of surprises that's for sure,lol.I wanted to tell you that this past Sat was a double wammy for me. For years I had always remembered and honored the anniversary of JFK's death. But it was also the 4th anniversary of my mom's death. I don't try to relate the two except for the common date. Of course I will never forget where I was when my mom passed since I was in the hospital room at her side. As for Pres Kennedy , I was about 5 1/2 yrs old and in first grade at a private school I don't recall the exact moment I was told but I do remember a lot of news coverage. Mostly I remember the fact that Caroline and I are around the same age and feeling bad that she and her little brother lost their father. For many years after I watched or read just about everything I saw about the family and JFK's death. It was very good of you to post the remberence. I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Phils

Sorry to hear about your mother. Losing a parent is very tough. My father died of cancer 11 years ago, three days before my parents 40th wedding annirversary. He was only 59. He passed away in his sleep. We were with him just the day before and knew it would be soon. So far it is the hardest loss in my life. There have been so many times where I wish he was around to give me some advice or just to listen. *BAND*

carriekins wrote:

jackieTn wrote: Are we talking another Parv here? Alliance's within alliances within alliances?

Haha.. Jackie, I know that Parv would be most on your mind since she was just on last season, but she didn't exactly invent that move. That was made famous first by Rob C., and any smart player (for some reason only the two Rob's come to mind - early here)! - Chris/Vanuatu, Twila, etc.You should be making sub-alliances, IMO. Not too many at the very beginning, and it has to be done carefully - this is where you watch your social game, and play it at its' best. Cover your man (yourself).Then when you need that extra person, or vote, or the 'unexpected' happens, you're prepared. The tricky part is to keep it all running smoothly! : -) The best players can do that, again, JMO.Carrie Dear Carrie,Right now I would say that I'm rooting for (in alphabetical order) Bob, Ken, Matty and Sugar! And I won't be upset if any one of them win!Of the other 3 it would be (in order of play) Crystal, Corinne and Susie! At least the first two have a little energizer bunny in them. Susie has just been dull, dull, dull!!! if she wins I would be upset!Jackie P.S. I know not a lot of people were happy when Parv won, but I daresay she earned it. Oh go ahead and flame me people, lol. - I just re-watched "Micro" on the weekend, and she was smart to have brought in (for herself) Alexis and Natalie. Amanda played well at the challenges, but Parvati played people, - outwitted, and outlasted - and admitted it, in the context of the game. I like an honest liar rather than a deceptive 'good guy/girl' - anyday. And so did the jury...

carriekins wrote: On the other hand, EJ, Marcus could have planned better and made 'the twists' easier on himself. I've been watching them (the shuffles) since they introduced them in Africa (Season #3) - How many Seasons have we had pre-planned surprise twists by the producers/SEG people now? They're not always 'fair' but IMO they were designed to weed out the clever players from the lackadaisical players. There are usually things a good player can take a chance on and further his/her move in the game with this foresight...I've seen some Survivors get out there and work it to their advantage, and some not. This was the 2nd switch after all, Marcus was been through, - so it's not like he didn't have time to prepare. He'd already been through one. Crystal and Kenny were in the minority. So when Susie said, yes - promise me F-3 he almost had that vote, and could have and SHOULD HAVE gone after it, gotten creative. He needed her, and she knew it. One i.e. - Ethan in Africa was in a tenuous position when his tribe first switched, and he pulled the weakest player close to him at the time - Kim J. and made a secret alliance with her. He protected her. Why couldn't Marcus behoove himself to do the same? Nothing unfair about it. Marcus just had to 'firm' up Bob and Susie. Susie, really, and HE chose to 'do his best'. That's what he got in return. He lost the #'s and was thus the twist didn't favour him. But it could have, and should have. His choice.

justinfromoz wrote: You guys that say that Matty will be voted off some time soon, I dont think is correct. He was interviwed after survivor and made a boo boo by directly implying that he didnt know if he had won survivor yet, meaning that he was in the final. SO theres your first finalist, now who will be with him?

Bluefrog628 wrote: woohoo randy was voted off, he was a jerk, but i kind of wish sugar were voted off instead

rhokita wrote:

ejetson2 wrote:

- If I was Marcus, I probably would've voted out Susie because she's unreliable, and tried to gain Crystal's trust. All Marcus needed were Bob and Crystal's votes, which he had in the bag. Susie would've be sent home, and Marcus would've been still in the game. But if Marcus was intent on taking out Ken, then I would've gotten Bob and Susie to vote with me and NOT tell Crystal nor Ken (which he foolishly did!) I would've done what Ken did to get Sugar to vote out Ace: tell Susie that Ken was after her or in other words--lie. Because Susie is not too bright, I'm pretty sure she would've bought it and agreed to vote out Ken. I think the problem with Marcus was that he got too comfortable at the old Kota tribe and lost his edge. He forgot how to play down and dirty, which is what Survivor is all about. He claimed he took the "high road" which is a bunch of baloney in the game of Survivor. Now look at where he is and look at where Ken is. Ken is playing the best game right now, and I'm predicting he'll win it all.

He did try to gain Crystal's trust, but Crystal's trust wasn't going anywhere. She knew she was much much much much safer with Ken than by switching to try to join an alliance of 4 or 5 already. She wasn't going anywhere. Susie wasn't going to vote with him either. No chance. Again, she knew that she was last on the totem pole in Marcus' alliance, where she was top 3 with Ken and Crystal. He or Bob were going home that week without any doubt at all. His only chance was for his team to win the immunity challenge.

You're overlooking the possibility that Marcus, Bob, Crystal and Ken could've voted out Susie. (As a matter of fact, Ken told Crystal that he wanted to vote out Susie before Crystal told him that Marcus wanted to vote him out.) If Marcus had gone down this road, then he would've still been in the game. I know what you're thinking--if Marcus had decided to vote out Susie then for the next TC it would've been him and Bob vs. Crystal and Ken. He should've realized that a merge would be coming soon or his tribe would have to win immunity no matter what. Otherwise they go to a tie-breaker. Either way--that's better than being sent home which is what happened to Marcus. I still think Marcus created his own fate.

justinfromoz wrote: You guys that say that Matty will be voted off some time soon, I dont think is correct. He was interviwed after survivor and made a boo boo by directly implying that he didnt know if he had won survivor yet, meaning that he was in the final. SO theres your first finalist, now who will be with him?

j_jammer wrote: I think he thinks that he didn't look for it in the right place.

athena_girl wrote:

j_jammer wrote: I think he thinks that he didn't look for it in the right place.

That's got to be it because he is a pretty bright guy. Although, after two tries, he has to be thinking that Sugar may have it since she went there so many times and it hasn't been played yet. I like that Bob has said Marcus buried that one idol. We'll see how it turns out with him telling someone else about it. I hope he gets it for himself.

JackieTN wrote: Dear madam,If it offends you to see people lying to each other why are you a "Survivor" fan? I never said it offends me to see people lying. I just said I personally wouldn't do it. I was a psychology major so I watch Survivor because I think it's fascinating to see how different personalities react to different situations and how they handle other personalities. Just so you can sit back and be judgmental? Ummmm.... well... yeah, I guess! Isn't that one of the main reasons we all watch, and post here on this board? So we can judge who we think will win or who ought to win and how smart the various decisions/moves/plays were? There is NO world view over anything (Politics, Economy, Religion, Society, Intelligence, or the Arts! There are only individual views who group together and try to tell everyone one else why their view should be the only one. When I used the term "world view," I meant the way an individual views the world. Not that there is any one, global way to view anything. Sorry if I was unclear.

j_jammer wrote:

athena_girl wrote: [quo - e=j_jammer]I think he thinks that he didn't look for it in the right place.

That's got to be it because he is a pretty bright guy. Although, after two tries, he has to be thinking that Sugar may have it since she went there so many times and it hasn't been played yet. I like that Bob has said Marcus buried that one idol. We'll see how it turns out with him telling someone else about it. I hope he gets it for himself.

justinfromoz wrote: You guys that say that Matty will be voted off some time soon, I dont think is correct. He was interviwed after survivor and made a boo boo by directly implying that he didnt know if he had won survivor yet, meaning that he was in the final. SO theres your first finalist, now who will be with him?

JackieTN wrote:

bandfour wrote: At the end of last episode we are at day 30. So if this goes to day 39 and a TC every 3 days that leaves only 3 more TC's and only 3 more eliminations. This takes us down to 4 survivors. Does anyone smell a double elimination coming? (Or didn't I shower well this morning?) *BAND*

I think you smell Great Band! Or they could pull another twist? Say a Challenge where the loser is immediately gone? Have they ever done that? No vote?Jackie Or perhaps another 'medical' drop out? Remember James last time?

athena_girl wrote: Although, after two tries, he has to be thinking that Sugar may have it since she went there so many times and it hasn't been played yet. [/color]

carriekins wrote:

ejetson2 wrote: [quot - =mizzymm]

e - etson2 wrote: I still want to see a season where there are no tribes, and it's everyone together on the same beach/camp from the beginning. The tribal splitting and then rearranging mid-game can make it nearly impossible for some people to win the game. Marcus is a good example of that for this season. Once the tribes were rearranged, he really had little to no chance from that point on.They could still do the challenges in a team vs. team setup with random draws for teams before each challenge. It would be very interesting to see what kind of alliances get made when you really don't know who will be on the losing team in an immunity challenge.

I'am so tired of this Marcus was burned by the twist. marcus was burned by marcus, the Onions had decided( according To Corrine) to vote for Susie and even when they were seperated Crystal and Kenny were in the minority, Marcus had to do his own thing and vote for Kenny, telling Crystal and Kenny , he was his own wrost enemy, did he expect Kenny to just roll over when he told him he was going to vote for him, the sad answer is, yes he did, maybe in real life , he can influence people to do things his way, but crystal and Kenny saw right through him and got rid of him,If he had only voted for susie, Crystal and Kenny would have gone along with it and he would still be in the game,so Marcus has no one to blame for his demise but Marcus.

I'm not blaming the twist for Marcus' departure. However, the twist made it more difficult for Marcus and somewhat easier for Ken/Crystal/Susie.

ca_treehugs wrote:

athena_girl wrote: Although, after two tries, he has to be thinking that Sugar may have it since she went there so many times and it hasn't been played yet. [/color]

Actually Bob only tried once, the second time at Exile he chose not to "waste his time" and went on safari instead.

mizzymm wrote:

justinfromoz wrote: You guys that say that Matty will be voted off some time soon, I dont think is correct. He was interviwed after survivor and made a boo boo by directly implying that he didnt know if he had won survivor yet, meaning that he was in the final. SO theres your first finalist, now who will be with him?

Do you know where this interview is posted, I would love to read it. thank You.

justinfromoz wrote: Sure, heres the link!http://www.palisadespost .com/con - ent/index.cfm?Story_ID=4299

JackieTN wrote: I don't think we ever get over the loss of a parent. Even tho my Mom passed on April 8, 2007, it has completely ruined Easter for me as that year Easter fell on April 8.The way I get thru it is by remembering our long talks about death and growing old in General. After seeing my Grandmother in a nursing home she never wanted to go there. And she was able to stay in her home until her last week in the hospital. She never wanted to suffer for months on end like my Uncle who was in the hospital for about 6 months with all of his systems breaking down one at a time. And a new machine being added each time.I had been in her hospital room all during her last week and the only one I was angry with was her Cancer Doctor who had told her that the only bad side affect she would have after Chemo was losing her hair. She died with her hair but the Chemo killed every organ in her body. Including her heart on Easter Morning. They did revive her once and the Heart Doctor was with the family telling us how she was alert & joking, when he got a page from the Heart Dept. they worked on her for about 20 min. But she went home. Every Thursday night, she is sitting in her recliner with me watching Survivor and cheering the cast on. As I had never watched the show until then.Those who have gone on before us do visit us I believe and I catch sight of her every once in awhile out of the corner of my eye. She missed her mother & dad, my youngest brother, and her sister & brother-in-law! They are all in heaven now playing cards laughing and healthy! And that is what we have to remember, that even tho they are gone from us they are now with their loved one's that have gone before!Jackie