gmgirl63 wrote: I wish it had been Kenny to go tonight,I can,t believe he was going to nail Bob to the wall.Thank you Sugar you saved to worthy people tonight.Sorry it was Crystal that left and not the snake Kenny.

badlands77 wrote:

gmgirl63 wrote: I wish it had been Kenny to go tonight,I can,t believe he was going to nail Bob to the wall.Thank you Sugar you saved to worthy people tonight.Sorry it was Crystal that left and not the snake Kenny.

Not sure I've ever seen such a nonchalant "Here, take my immunity idol" moment as we saw tonight. It was priceless. Made my evaluation of Sugar go way up! Am now definitely hoping for a Bob/Sugar/Matty F3... if only because it will give them the highest $$$$ payouts...whoever wins! Susie and Ken can get 4th and 5th place money. - Bads

xxmadkuntxx wrote: WHO CARES THEY ALL SUCK.

xxmadkuntxx wrote: Crystal deserved to win. The rest a fcukin LOSERSWHO WANTS TO ARGUE?BRING IT!!!!!!!!

mist2050 wrote: Kenny may be a nice enough guy in the "real" world...But plotting to guilt someone out of a well-earned immunity only to turn around & immediately stab them in the back...? Might be an all-time low for this show.

ryanator wrote: One thing though Ken was trying to help his longer ally (matty) get a little further in the game while taking out the biggest threat. At least thats the impression his comment while voting gave.

MaIshU wrote:

ryanator wrote: One thing though Ken was trying to help his longer ally (matty) get a little further in the game while taking out the biggest threat. At least thats the impression his comment while voting gave.

What are you talking about Kenny has voted for Matty at the last two tribals. How is that helping Matty get further in the game?

ryanator wrote: Alright he's not trying to help very much but both times were out of necessity. First time he voted for him because the idol nonsense. The second time he tried to keep matty in another round by getting bob's idol, didn't work so he had to vote matty... which also didn't work.

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies.(Yeah, remember what he did to Randy? He encouraged Randy to piss EVERYBODY off in the hopes of using an immunity idol and pushed him right into Ponderosa. How? By lying, if I recall correctly. Sacrificing Randy to keep himself alive. By lying)Which, quite frankly, is great playing. Bob has somehow pushed himself away from Ken and put Ken as the next to go, even though Bob's a tremendous threat. Bob's play has suddenly become great. Deceitful, but great.So now I'm wondering why, when you've seen Bob lie directly to people's faces and put them in bad positions with those lies, you think it's abominable that Ken has done the same thing. Ken wanted Bob to give him immunity because he believed himself to be a target (you know, keeping yourself in the game? A good thing?). He also wanted to vote Bob out because Bob could feasibly win immunity all the way to final 3 (which would preclude Ken from winning, a bad thing for Ken). So his idea was strategically sound. But it would involve selling an ally out to further his own game and lying to make it happen. Kind of like Bob did with Randy.So Bob lies, and Ken lies. Bob is good because he's a great guy, Ken is evil because he's deceitful. Am I missing something here?If you don't like Ken for being cocky, alright, say that. If you don't like him because he's creepy looking and has a funny voice, say that. Don't flout bullshit morality and double standards when everybody on that island is playing with the intent of winning. That's like Marcus whining about Kenny's behavior when Marcus planned on betraying Susie, or like how he cried when Susie betrayed him first.Are you saying it's okay to deceive people you just don't like? It's okay for Bob to lie to Randy because he's a jerk, but Ken can't betray Bob because he's a sweet old man?

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies.

DragonflyPHX wrote: Think about it; how else can you get Bob out if he keeps winning immunity? There is no other way. You have to make him give it up and take him out when he does.

This entire game consists of convincing people that their move will be strong when it's actually weak. Nobody--who intends to win--will do something they don't think is in their best interest. Then again, that excludes Sugar who "just wants the good guys to win."You know, the girl who never, ever turned on an alliance, lied to somebody's face, or laughed at somebody's misfortune. Sugar is either a hypocrite, an idiot, or the best damn actress on the face of the planet.

DragonflyPHX wrote: Er. Bob lied about two idols, tricked a teammate into going home, and deceived Ken into a bad position. Now, at Ken's expense, he's ahead in trust and position because of his lies. (Yeah, remember what he did to Randy? He encouraged Randy to piss EVERYBODY off in the hopes of using an immunity idol and pushed him right into Ponderosa. How? By lying, if I recall correctly. Sacrificing Randy to keep himself alive. By lying) Which, quite frankly, is great playing. Bob has somehow pushed himself away from Ken and put Ken as the next to go, even though Bob's a tremendous threat. Bob's play has suddenly become great. Deceitful, but great.So now I'm wondering why, when you've seen Bob lie directly to people's faces and put them in bad positions with those lies, you think it's abominable that Ken has done the same thing. Ken wanted Bob to give him immunity because he believed himself to be a target (you know, keeping yourself in the game? A good thing?). He also wanted to vote Bob out because Bob could feasibly win immunity all the way to final 3 (which would preclude Ken from winning, a bad thing for Ken). So his idea was strategically sound. But it would involve selling an ally out to further his own game and lying to make it happen. Kind of like Bob did with Randy.So Bob lies, and Ken lies. Bob is good because he's a great guy, Ken is evil because he's deceitful. Am I missing something here?If you don't like Ken for being cocky, alright, say that. If you don't like him because he's creepy looking and has a funny voice, say that. Don't flout bullshit morality and double standards when everybody on that island is playing with the intent of winning. That's like Marcus whining about Kenny's behavior when Marcus planned on betraying Susie, or like how he cried when Susie betrayed him first.Are you saying it's okay to deceive people you just don't like? It's okay for Bob to lie to Randy because he's a jerk, but Ken can't betray Bob because he's a sweet old man?

rrod60 wrote: It's a game. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...17th season! Why should anyone care what they say or do to one another. I watch the show because it entertains me.. No need to get all torked up about it....

alkikodibear wrote: Kenny lost me when he dehumanized the other players into pawns to the degree that Thailand's brian did. He is has not been loyal to crystal- In one of his secret scenes he said he has been protecting crystal because he saw her as free votes for him with the jury. when he fell for the fake idol I think he wanted crystal to vote for corrine so he could hog jury votes if it went down the way he expected. flip side. Bob lost me by deluding himself with his "mr. Roger" good guy routine. He says "if It will keep me in the game I don't mind sugar getting a laugh" then he sings his "I am Mr. integrity- this was not nice" song. next day he makes another idol tricks 2 players the play goes down and once again we hear the "I am Mr. integrity - this was not nice song" gag me with a spoon.

rrod60 wrote: It's a game. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...17th season! Why should anyone care what they say or do to one another. I watch the show because it entertains me.. No need to get all torked up about it....

alkikodibear wrote: Big Picture- Real life wise. I think most of the cast members are good people.

there is a clip that shows bob smiling when randy played the idol.

alphazealot wrote: As I predicted, Sugar had ZERO shot of winning against Bob. Ken should be a prophet, because he knew exactly how things were going to play out if Bob stayed in the game, and things went exactly as he predicted. To bad Sugar was to much of an idiot, she would actually have had a shot at a million if she were paired against Chystal/Susie or Ken/Susie, but not a chance in hell if Bob/Matty were in the mix.

alphazealot wrote: Ken's mistake was letting to many people know to much information and putting his faith in far to many people. Ken overlooked the fact that not everyone plays to win-some people actually do play with "honor" or some other BS where you inherently limit your own potential.

alphazealot wrote: As I predicted, Sugar had ZERO shot of winning against Bob. Ken should be a prophet, because he knew exactly how things were going to play out if Bob stayed in the game, and things went exactly as he predicted. To bad Sugar was to much of an idiot, she would actually have had a shot at a million if she were paired against Chystal/Susie or Ken/Susie, but not a chance in hell if Bob/Matty were in the mix.

Sugar's not an idot. But that's besides the point. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WIN PERIOD. SHE WANTED BOB OR MATTY TO WIN.

Evvivan wrote: Well, from reading swordplay's post, it sounds like he knows Ken in real life. That would be a reason to care, no?